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Coldblackice
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
June 17 2015 04:42 GMT
#7661
On June 13 2015 03:40 sil0r wrote:
From the LotV Beta Preview:
Show nested quote +
So far, we have one Archon-friendly change that we’re exploring:

When you select units and use the Alt + (number) command, those units are added to that number’s corresponding control group, and removed from other control groups.


Looks like we need a new modifier, boys.


Very interesting. And very awesome! Excited for this. Hope it stays.
brook8128
Profile Joined August 2013
Korea (South)66 Posts
June 19 2015 04:09 GMT
#7662
[image loading]
Is there plan to fix the Spreadsheet?
Now : camera num 1234 > JPOI
What about JIOP or POIJ?
OvO
Zonalar
Profile Joined December 2011
Switzerland17 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 21:12:29
June 22 2015 16:59 GMT
#7663
So i decided to try out the Core today.

And it doesn't work - and i don't know why.
I'm using a Mechanical Keyboard with a swiss layout (cuz im swiss), so i downloaded the german version of the Core, PRM.

So i looked at "The core visualized" under resources, and the German version in there is clearly missing groups, and certain hotkeys just straight up dont work on my keyboard. There is not even the key mapped for my probe to make basic buildings (but it is in the core I downloaded). How am I going to figgure out the core, if i can't use the visualizer to my help? I can only use 4 of the 9 control groups, and those are like 1, 5 7 and 0 or something.

So yes... can anyone help me with that? Have other german or swiss player encountered similiar problems? Do i just have to spend more time with the core - meaning, was the download complete and functional? I downloaded over Skydrive, Play Protoss and used the file: The Core 2.0, German PRM.


PS: I just noticed there IS a "swiss" section on skydrive. I will use that instead and report back if that fixed my problems. Brb

Edit: Okay, my bad. I should've used the swiss one from the start - simply didnt notice that it was available. I still wish there was an option in the Visualizer for the swiss layout, so it can help me memorizing.

But the Core works. So that's cool
brook8128
Profile Joined August 2013
Korea (South)66 Posts
June 24 2015 04:53 GMT
#7664
I have a question.
When I use ZRM2.0, what finger is used to press U(for queen)?
I think pinky is better than ring.
OvO
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
June 24 2015 15:30 GMT
#7665
I asked this question to JaKaTaK before and he said to use the pinky.

So for the inject sequence you would press:
- "U" (Pinky)
- "-" (Middle finger)
- "Shift" (Hold Thumb)

Then you hit base cam with index and clic, base cam, clic
Stolas
Profile Joined April 2015
United States4 Posts
June 25 2015 09:12 GMT
#7666
Hi Everyone! First time posting on TL, but I've been lurking for a while now.

I cooked up a more detailed visual guide for personal reference while I learn TheCore 2.0 ZRM, and I was wanted to share it here to make sure I didn't make any errors or miss anything.

It's a bit big and I feel like it probably has more information than I really needed, but I have it split and pulled up on my other monitors while practicing so it suits my needs alright for a quick glance here and there.

http://imgur.com/CB7NuZZ is the link if anyone cares to take a peek.

Thanks!
YoTcA
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany151 Posts
June 27 2015 10:04 GMT
#7667
@brook8128: The reason behind JPOI is probably that the pinky is regarded as the strongest finger, followed by the index and the 2 others. But I think it is totally OK to use POIJ or JIOP instead, because the difference is only marginal.

And to answer the second question: It depends on what you are pressing afterwards. If you want to use the spell on J with your queens, you want to use your ring to press U to avaoid finger repetition. If not, you are free to choose.

@Stolas: Nice work, it looks awesome.
Quakecomm
Profile Joined April 2012
United States344 Posts
June 28 2015 01:35 GMT
#7668
So is an update for Starbow not happening/planned on?
gorkey island is the only good map
zerge
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany162 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 15:12:00
June 30 2015 08:38 GMT
#7669
What is you opinion on using TheCore with a keypad like the Orbweaver? To me it seems like the keys are easier to reach and as far as i know the thumb is used for modifiers so it could work well with layered hoteys like in TheCore.

edit:
I downloaded TheCore ZRM 2.0 this is my experience so far:
Using camera location injects with manual queen selection seems very inconveniet since i have to release ctrl+shift before i can use inject, otherwise i would select the hatchery.
In comparison with the common camera hotkey setup (F1-F4) i need one more action per base since i have to press AND release a modifier.
I don't think you can ever be as fast using this method and TheCore as you are with a more standard hotkey setup. I recently switched to this method and i don't want to miss the additional control it gives me.
Did i miss something?
Do the other zergs use different methods?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
July 01 2015 00:21 GMT
#7670
@Quakecomm
I might be feeling into in when I do the update for LotV, but in general I don't have the time to be keeping up with hotkeys for both games.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Anatta
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany4 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-02 22:41:29
July 02 2015 22:03 GMT
#7671
On June 30 2015 17:38 zerge wrote:
What is you opinion on using TheCore with a keypad like the Orbweaver? To me it seems like the keys are easier to reach and as far as i know the thumb is used for modifiers so it could work well with layered hoteys like in TheCore.

edit:
I downloaded TheCore ZRM 2.0 this is my experience so far:
Using camera location injects with manual queen selection seems very inconveniet since i have to release ctrl+shift before i can use inject, otherwise i would select the hatchery.
In comparison with the common camera hotkey setup (F1-F4) i need one more action per base since i have to press AND release a modifier.
I don't think you can ever be as fast using this method and TheCore as you are with a more standard hotkey setup. I recently switched to this method and i don't want to miss the additional control it gives me.
Did i miss something?
Do the other zergs use different methods?


It works this way:

Select all queens, press "-" for inject, hold shift+ctrl with your thumb, now go through your cams (j,p,o,i,...) and click them, because you are holding shift all the time you can continue injecting without pressing "-" again


Edit: Of course you can also use the rapid fire method by pressing "-" and "=" at the same time if you keyboard supports it, or do it by pressing them in rapidly in succession
TigerDragon
Profile Joined July 2015
7 Posts
July 03 2015 00:18 GMT
#7672
Is it alright if you use TRM for Zerg? I think muscle memory is gonna be a bit hard to change at this point.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
July 03 2015 15:20 GMT
#7673
If you've already learned TRM, stick with it. As a rule of thumb, learn one version of TheCore, and never re-learn it, add keys and make small adjustments as necessary, but once you've made the switch from a "normal" layout to TheCore, the majority of efficiency, ergonomic, and utility gains are already in place.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
TheNewblar
Profile Joined June 2015
2 Posts
July 11 2015 00:42 GMT
#7674
How long is it taking people to get used to this???

I'm masters, I've installed TheCore. Made some modifications so I can memorize my cameras and control groups, and have played against AI for about 7 games now. Getting 30 APM at best lol

Not to make excuses for myself, but I'm 27 and have played SC2 since it came out. Has anyone not been able to make the switch? Feel like I'm going to playing AI for a month or two at this rate.
Estevez
Profile Joined July 2014
Spain12 Posts
July 11 2015 21:51 GMT
#7675
Hi guys!

I'm using TheCore 2 weeks ago, but I'm feeling my right wrist forced when I play some games. Before I played with Grid, and I never had discomfort in the wrist. That is normal at the begining?

Any suggestions?
Thanks.
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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-11 21:56:39
July 11 2015 21:54 GMT
#7676
@Newblar

Adjust your expectations and follow these steps:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/140gNhKs_1VCG6JJ9ijvEblKI9UQcpUKDTPap5t_kBeU

Playing games is the slowest way to mechanical proficiency. Learn one thing at a time and your overall learning time will be much faster.

Also keep in mind that TheCore is not likely to raise your APM, but instead make it more likely that you'll beat players that have more APM than you due to the increase efficiency of your actions.

Expect 2-4 weeks of learning time depending on how often you train.

EDIT:
@Estevez

Because you are using your hand differently it will take some time to build up the muscles and coordination to play with TheCore, you will likely feel a little sore (like you just worked out) in the beginning, but this should subside quickly assuming you are playing with correct posture and are breathing in a slow relaxed manner.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
TheNewblar
Profile Joined June 2015
2 Posts
July 12 2015 00:37 GMT
#7677
On July 12 2015 06:54 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
@Newblar

Adjust your expectations and follow these steps:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/140gNhKs_1VCG6JJ9ijvEblKI9UQcpUKDTPap5t_kBeU

Playing games is the slowest way to mechanical proficiency. Learn one thing at a time and your overall learning time will be much faster.

Also keep in mind that TheCore is not likely to raise your APM, but instead make it more likely that you'll beat players that have more APM than you due to the increase efficiency of your actions.

Expect 2-4 weeks of learning time depending on how often you train.

EDIT:
@Estevez

Because you are using your hand differently it will take some time to build up the muscles and coordination to play with TheCore, you will likely feel a little sore (like you just worked out) in the beginning, but this should subside quickly assuming you are playing with correct posture and are breathing in a slow relaxed manner.


Thanks for the reply man.
Estevez
Profile Joined July 2014
Spain12 Posts
July 12 2015 14:00 GMT
#7678
On July 12 2015 06:54 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
@Newblar

Adjust your expectations and follow these steps:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/140gNhKs_1VCG6JJ9ijvEblKI9UQcpUKDTPap5t_kBeU

Playing games is the slowest way to mechanical proficiency. Learn one thing at a time and your overall learning time will be much faster.

Also keep in mind that TheCore is not likely to raise your APM, but instead make it more likely that you'll beat players that have more APM than you due to the increase efficiency of your actions.

Expect 2-4 weeks of learning time depending on how often you train.

EDIT:
@Estevez

Because you are using your hand differently it will take some time to build up the muscles and coordination to play with TheCore, you will likely feel a little sore (like you just worked out) in the beginning, but this should subside quickly assuming you are playing with correct posture and are breathing in a slow relaxed manner.


Thaks, i'll practice more time.

About the answer for Newblar... Did you recomend for learn hereinafter the link "https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/140gNhKs_1VCG6JJ9ijvEblKI9UQcpUKDTPap5t_kBeU" or TheStaircase - An Alternative Improvement Method "http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/374400-thestaircase-an-alternative-improvement-method"?
DasBronzers
Profile Joined July 2015
1 Post
Last Edited: 2015-07-14 01:46:35
July 14 2015 01:46 GMT
#7679
I feel like I'm about to ask a stupid question, but if I play (Protoss) Left Handed Small and I try to create my camera hotkey which on TAB with ALT, I alt tab out of the game... If I disable alt tab in the options of the game they key combination just stops working. I wont alt tab, but the camera location won't be created. Am I missing something? Or is this something you guys are unaware of?
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
July 14 2015 12:04 GMT
#7680
On June 13 2015 03:40 sil0r wrote:
From the LotV Beta Preview:
Show nested quote +
So far, we have one Archon-friendly change that we’re exploring:

When you select units and use the Alt + (number) command, those units are added to that number’s corresponding control group, and removed from other control groups.


Looks like we need a new modifier, boys.



It works, and in 1v1. This is big imo, will be of much help to set up different groups and split the armies.
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