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On September 05 2013 23:37 FPyro wrote:That sounds great! I was thinking doing some vs AI games first, so there is no pressure. Is it allowed to leave unranked games like 20 times in a row? I don't wanna get reported for lossbotting, which is not allowed I think. I've only found one hotkey map for Wings in EU, do you know the name maybe? Thanks for your ideas, gonna learn the core in no time 
Hotkey Trainer - Hots
American Arcade. This map is not available on the EU servers.
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wait... Pyro, you are still playing Wings of Liberty?!
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German ZRM; still some issues: (playing hots btw)
Burrow-Hotkeys seem to be messed up. until now, every burrow/unburrow was the same. now
the swarmhost burrows with o unburrows with i
other units burrow with h unburrow with i
spores/spines burrow with h unburrow with o
although i am not sure, if this is intended....
next thing i am unsure of is, that the archive should be good (as jak said time and again). anyways in the archive "build advanced" with drone is - (/ us qwerty keyboard). nevertheless the brand new download has it bound to i.
i would just love to see more version-numbers (0.8.2.3 maybe and increasing) so everyone knows what he is talking about. same for thearchive. there is a tab "zerg 0.8.2" but no sign of how updated it is respective when it was released. would be just great.
i suspect, since the german guy pyro experiences almost the same troubles (i am austrian but using same language and keyboard layout :-)) that maybe there is something broken generating the german files.... might want to check that too...
as i am checking, i find more and more disturbing things: roach warren is now on 8? (instead of m as shown in thecore archive and as i am used to m, too). as i am follower of this thread, i dont remember, that anyone pointed out to move the roach warren to 8 instead of m.
last thing, i am still of the opinion, that the verde-version of injecting was (j)ump, spread(i), set cam (o). the archive and the downloadfile shows: j=set cam, spread(i), o=jump to loc. i might be wrong there, because archive and download-file showing the same.... maybe i just didnt get it and learned it the other way round.
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Working on getting the archives updated. Will fix as soon as possible.
the swarmhost burrow functions differently than regular burrow, and is given better keys as a result for faster swarmhost micro. Spines and spores should have that matched. Unfortunately changing version numbers in the archives leads to a vast array of issues that takes a ton of busy work to fix, so we'll be using that time to fix bugs rather than waste a ton of time changing version numbers.
No sure what is going on with the german keyboard, anyone have a solution?
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Hi!
On September 06 2013 04:22 JaKaTaK wrote:
wait... Pyro, you are still playing Wings of Liberty?!
No, I'm not still on Wings :D I was referring to an Arcade hotkey training map on EU, which only exists in the older Wings layout.
I wasn't aware or even considered the possibility that there might be a problem with the conversion from US to DE keyboards. That would actually explain why things got twitched around and stuff.
I don't know how the conversion works, but I know how to fix it.
If you say the US version is working as intended, then I could just manually apply the changes from the US to the DE version.
There are only a couple of differences:
US --> DE:
" - "--> "ß"
"=" --> " ´ "
"[" --> "ü"
"]" --> "+"
";" --> "ö"
" ' " --> "ä"
"/" --> " - "
In german, beside the L, there are 3 keys instead of 2: ö, ä, # but NO additional key beside the "]" which would be "\" on US.
I've also given the queen issue some thought and seen the new video and while putting Inject Larvae on " i " does make sense for the minimap inject, I don't see any real benefit for the backspace method. And it should make no difference for the layered-camera method either.
I would much rather use the rapid fire for the creep spread. Right now everything to do with creep is on "O".
And since I inject a lot more than I spread creep, pressing "o" seems faster and natural to me
It's probably no big deal either way and I don't mean to make a fuss over this.
I see how the conversion would be perfectly possible. Well, besides just switching to an US keyboard that is. I actually have a Razer Blackwidow in US right here :p
We could just put whatever is on "\" on US to "#" on german and be done
Or put whatever is on Enter (which is hard to reach for me) on #.
I'll give it a try
EDIT: lol, it seems Starcraft automatically performs the conversion. I downloaded the US querty version from Skydrive and just put it in the replay folder and Starcraft changed the hotkeys automatically to fit the german layout. Really weird.
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@FPyro
Inject is on O, as is rapid fire. Redownload
No need to have queen creep and creep creep the same, on paper it might sound strange, but you'll be surprised how fast you get used to it.
EDIT: same goes for swarmhost burrow, just try it for 2 weeks.
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Thank a lot <3
I shouldn't have been skeptical. And letting Starcraft do the conversion is not a good idea... it gets like really different from the german version of The Core and it doesn't really workout.
The changes after the latest update are awesome
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@FPyro
Somehow I get the feeling, that you have found some solution for german ZRM. I beg you, big man, bring a post of how to do it for me dummy guy. Just tell me to buy a US keyboard. i do it. or tell me - please step by step - what i have to do to get things working.
i owe you one, if you could help me out... und würde dich auf bier und sonstwas einladen, wenn du mal nach ösi-land kommst... :-)))
EDIT: i was thinking of pm-ing FPyro, but maybe there are other german zergies around somewhere....
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Hi!
Oh, I'm flattered, but the latest version of the Core fixes my problems, almost. The Queen can inject with O again and O is also the key for rapid fire.
It seems you can either rapid fire inject OR creep spread, but not both. Personally I liked the rapid-fire on " i " better, but I see how it improves inject speed on O.
The other thing is about the creep cameras: I mean to spread creep by Jumping to location 7 (Control + J), then holding "I" for the creep and speading it, then pressing O (Control + O) to create the new location.
This has to be changed manually. The same goes for Cam 8 (second creep path) with Ctrl+Shift+J jumping to the location.
^^ While this seems great in theory, I'm ok just doing it with mouse and minimap, but I tend to neglect creep a little anyway.
I personally made a few optimizations which I find good: Select all army units is now on Enter, whereas it should be on "#", which is closer and easier to press. I don't need/use/want camera rotations, therefore I rebound "backspace" to "last event". Not sure if it's the best use for that key, but it's better than any rotation to be sure.
The Chat needs to be changed too, since I can not reach "Tab" at all, which is why I put it on "Shift+Enter" for ALL-chat.
That's basically it right now. I've made no other changes to the version of the core currently on Skydrive for the german layout.
Now I'm just trying to figure out what units to put on which control groups and which inject I like best.
The backspace-inject has my queens running all over the place sometimes, which could be fixed by pressing "stop" after using it of course. The minimap inject is cute, but too slow, as is the layered cam method right now, especially after 3 or more bases have to be injected.
I switched to NA and made a new character, lvl3 now - bronze, to learn to play again with this setup. I don't mean to change anything at all for the next few weeks.
Good luck ; )
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Is there any work in progress for adding Windows symlink support for the sc2hotkeys? i.e. use a keys.sc2hotkeys.lnk file to the source rather than copy paste. This would make it easier for a newbie to the core to setup the standard build, practice, then make changes while playing and practice again without having to move over the file again. I've actually mocked up the code to do it if you would like me to send it in.
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@drush
I do not understand what you mean.
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Uhm, think it means you can copy the hotkey file to the linked location and it will also appear in the rather hidden hotkey folder under documents. I don't see any real benefit of that, except making updating slightly faster.
Let's assume the linked location is actually the skydrive location, then the update might work automatically for everybody who is using the symlink.
Not 100% sure on how this works though, it's a thing adapted by windows from linux I believe...
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why is build advanced on the thumb key now?
I bound mine back to I, this whole changing fundamental hotkeys every release is really pissing me off
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I thought build advanced had been on Slash for a long time now...
And TheCore is currently in beta. Big changes are basically given.
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On September 07 2013 21:48 peter22 wrote:
why is build advanced on the thumb key now?
I bound mine back to I, this whole changing fundamental hotkeys every release is really pissing me off
Because people often try to re-invent the wheel.
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On September 08 2013 00:17 Rockafella wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 21:48 peter22 wrote:
why is build advanced on the thumb key now?
I bound mine back to I, this whole changing fundamental hotkeys every release is really pissing me off Because people often try to re-invent the wheel.
Would you rather the wheel be jagged and made of stone or flawless and made of steel?
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The change of build advanced in the zerg layouts was the result of calculations resulting in favor of this change for increased efficiency. If you aren't interested in these new improvements, no need to change.
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Yay! Think I like the change. Is having "build advanced" on " - " or " / " the only change? And is " / " supposed to be pressed with the thumb or the index finger? I'm pretty sure it's thumb, but just want to make sure 
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On September 08 2013 17:59 FPyro wrote:Yay! Think I like the change. Is having "build advanced" on " - " or " / " the only change? And is " / " supposed to be pressed with the thumb or the index finger? I'm pretty sure it's thumb, but just want to make sure
Thumb
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The files on github and skydrive, and the visualizer, has been updated. I am making the final video, after which we need only updated visuals and TheCore 1.0 will be real
Please redownload and report any more bugs that need fixing.
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