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Wouldnt that shut this down? im curious.
[Q] Can cannon rushing really be perfected? - Page 12
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Picklebread
808 Posts
Wouldnt that shut this down? im curious. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:23 Picklebread wrote: Depends if terrans start walling off with depot/rax on the lowground Wouldnt that shut this down? im curious. ...how? Can't he just pylon out of range of your buildings, and then cannon walk and take out the depot, and contain you? Sure he may not win right there, but he can drop an expo, cannon up, and go into some sick ass 6 gate robo timing like a nexus-forge build. | ||
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david0925
212 Posts
This build is really strong because it's relatively new, and people are cutting corners a lot early on to get an economic advantage, especially after numerous P/T early aggressions have been nerfed. and also, I'd have to agree with the notion that there seems to be plenty of GM players gracing us with their presence in this thread. | ||
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sagefreke
United States241 Posts
Other than going a 10 pool tell me how to effectively stop the protoss from cannoning my low ground so that I don't end up automatically behind by 21 supply. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2141 Posts
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][Primarch][
Sweden302 Posts
On May 04 2012 08:31 nebffa wrote: I often don't post cause I think I might look like an idiot to my fellow forum-goers - but hey Mr ][Primarch][, those words are just vicious and unless you have any video of this actually being the case I suggest you gtfo. When people throw bad manner around for no good reason it just makes me really angry - especially when it's against cheesers because of how easy it is to lose people feel like they are some how justified in being generally bad manner towards them. Sure be angry in game I don't care about that - and besides that's cause you just got fucking cheesed and you're angry I get like that too lol - it's when people like Primarch take it to the forums where it is clearly not cause you're angry you got cheesed you are just trying to start a fight - these keyboard warriors just make me mad. are you kidding me, ofc there are proof, people have already posted it in this thread. having other peoples stream open while playing them is unforgivable in my eyes. | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:24 ][Primarch][ wrote: are you kidding me, ofc there are proof, people have already posted it in this thread. having other peoples stream open while playing them is unforgivable in my eyes. I opened the entire thread via "All" and searched for 'stream' and only 1 other person said you could hear his stream in the background. With no video or way to check it at all. One person, not people. And no proof. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 04 2012 12:59 sagefreke wrote: Interesting how posters are suggesting now that if protoss starts putting pylons on the low ground immediately sac a drone and make an extractor so he can't gain sight of your high ground and act as if the Zerg player isn't already automatically behind and pressured into a 1-2 base all in since the Protoss player can safely take his expansion without fear of an attack until the 7 minute mark. Other than going a 10 pool tell me how to effectively stop the protoss from cannoning my low ground so that I don't end up automatically behind by 21 supply. Um, if he cancels the pylon, cancel the extractor? If he finishes the pylon, you lost a drone and 25 minerals, he lost 100, isn't that around an even trade? You're going to take that gas geyser eventually. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 04 2012 18:40 Whitewing wrote: Um, if he cancels the pylon, cancel the extractor? If he finishes the pylon, you lost a drone and 25 minerals, he lost 100, isn't that around an even trade? You're going to take that gas geyser eventually. ...extractors are 50. | ||
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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barrykp
Ireland174 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:28 iAmJeffReY wrote: ...extractors are 50. They're 25. | ||
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i)awn
United States189 Posts
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
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baba44713
83 Posts
So, well.. wouldn't really mind if Cannon rushing got neutered in some way. If only to see my friend's smirk from his face erased when he drops to Gold or lower.  | ||
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ant-1
Canada149 Posts
- He was not BM, actually he even complimented a guy when he lost to a proxy gate. - I couldn't say if he was stream cheating. He did alt-tab at the start of every game, maybe to try to find the other player's stream, but then again it was against mostly noobs. - On huge 4-players map if he does not find you early enough and you're Z, he's toast. That's because zerglings arrive soon and are very efficient at countering cannons/proxy gates. I guess against T it could be the same if rines are here in good enough numbers (2-3). - I saw him go for a longer game only once (T "successfully" relocated). His mechanics seem to be around diamond. - Holy bejesus he's good at it. He's really perfected cannon rushing. He lost two games out of maybe 20. Here's his MO : - Against toss, he seems to know EVERY way of walling off behind your mineral line for EVERY spawning spot. When he's walled in, it seems you're screwed. No toss I saw could do anything (Again, diamond scrubs). - Against T, he puts a pylon on the low ground, two cannons, breaks your wall with those and starts to cannon inside your base. If he gets there early he may even try to cannon inside directly, but mostly it's a diversion. And also he's ready to wall off the ramp at the bottom for when the T inevitably try to relocate. SCV butchering. - Against Z, he will mostly in-base proxy gate. But he'll also pretend to be cannon rushing, to attract drones out of mining. Then boom you have 4 zealots in your mineral line. I never saw him wall off the ramp with 3 pylons, dunno why, I've heard it's pretty good. All in all, it seems very very powerful. I'm sure myself (diamond P) I would fall for it 10 times in a row. Well, assuming I did not go forge first. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
No, they're 25. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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sagefreke
United States241 Posts
On May 04 2012 18:40 Whitewing wrote: Um, if he cancels the pylon, cancel the extractor? If he finishes the pylon, you lost a drone and 25 minerals, he lost 100, isn't that around an even trade? You're going to take that gas geyser eventually. You missed my point. The Protoss player if he really wants to can prevent Zerg from expanding early. My complaint about having to make an extractor was simply making fun of the fact that people are thinking that by preventing the Protoss player from getting cannons in your main, the Zerg player is okay and not behind despite the fact that he now has cannons preventing an expansion... While Protoss can transition safely into FFE and come out far ahead economically. So unless I'm blindly going early pool against every Protoss I see how do you prevent it? | ||
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