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enanoretozon
Profile Joined March 2012
Panama57 Posts
May 16 2012 06:08 GMT
#481

As for the 1/1/1 tank push, the bunker is vital. Bunkers give marines enough range to kill banshees.


Filter, could you elaborate on this point? do you mean you build bunkers near mineral lines or just that if the banshee joins the attack up front the bunkered marines can return fire so the banshee doesn't get free hits?
Tulx
Profile Joined July 2010
Estonia11 Posts
May 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#482
On May 16 2012 15:08 enanoretozon wrote:
Show nested quote +

As for the 1/1/1 tank push, the bunker is vital. Bunkers give marines enough range to kill banshees.


Filter, could you elaborate on this point? do you mean you build bunkers near mineral lines or just that if the banshee joins the attack up front the bunkered marines can return fire so the banshee doesn't get free hits?


I think he might mean that if marines range is inferior to banshees then banshee can effectively kite marines into tank fire without taking damage. Not sure though, seems logical.
Not everyone understands that internet spaceships are a serious business.
ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
May 16 2012 10:24 GMT
#483
This guide is the holy grail for people who want to learn Terran. I'm plat toss who trying to overcome horrendous PvP and finally get into diamond, i'm experimenting with Terran and with the silver (!!) benchmarks I was able to take down an offracing master.
I'm playing the game, the one that will take me to my end, i'm waiting for the rain, TO WASH-- WHO I AM!!!
Schaudenfraud
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 10:41:23
May 16 2012 10:40 GMT
#484
I must say that I am very impressed with this guide and it has made me equally as good as my zerg which was my best. BTW I'm bronze, so that means absolutely nothing! That said, I am very greatful for this post. I've been getting a lot of BM from this. This series showed me how to play the game the right way. I know what bad macro is now AND good timing and the game has actually slowed down and become less random.

That said I do have to cut corners. My macro AND micro isn't good enough to get 112-117 at 10 and 52 scvs like i see in your vids, and sometimes i'm very late against colossi with them popping up in time so i have to micro a bit and make vikings. No biggie though right? Attack moving and winning is a sign of good macro right? Should I just A move my way out of bronze ? I feel I need to micro and stim.

Quick question though: is it a good idea to have at least 1 scv on the bunker? I'm asking because sometimes they come in at 7 or 8:00 focus fire my bunker and totally bust my butt.

I can get to 100 food and 49-51 scvs at 10. I feel I'm on my way out from bronze. Thanks a lot filter.

I'm mostly happy at my BMPG (Bad manners per game) rate most of all.
Warmos
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland9 Posts
May 16 2012 12:04 GMT
#485
I was bronze about 4 months ago and watched these layers of OPness :D i practiced 2 days against computer and got placed today to platin :D
Nothing is better than the tomorrow
zoidwolf
Profile Joined January 2012
South Africa24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 16:06:15
May 16 2012 16:05 GMT
#486
I don't really know where else to write this, since I'm using filters TvZ build. It's the one with the double techlab marauder hellion push. Today, i played this top 8 diamond (I'm in platinum) Zerg who took his 3rd at 6 minutes and therefore had it up and running by 8 min. How could I punish/pressure this?
EU - Zoid | 738
well-named
Profile Joined June 2011
United States10 Posts
May 16 2012 16:43 GMT
#487
I had a game against a plat zerg who did the same fast third after scouting the no-gas expand (or at least I assume that's what motivated it)

I ended up pushing out with marine/marauder prior to medivacs and killed the third. I am not sure how reliably that plan will work but my guess at the time was that with such a fast third, pushing earlier (before the extra production from the third hatch kicks in, and assuming he was probably droning pretty hard) was very likely to do damage, but the normal timing might be a little late and I'd end up behind both economically and in tech

It worked in that game at least.
ceci n'est pas une marine
wilcockst
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1 Post
May 17 2012 00:46 GMT
#488
I am looking forward to improving my play style. Thank you for posting and for the direction. I will work on these step by step.
Jockin' the bitches, slappin' da hoes
Novaprospekt
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden1 Post
May 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#489
Thanks for the videos! Really cool!
"If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles" - Sun Tzu
Rick Deckard
Profile Joined October 2010
90 Posts
May 17 2012 17:18 GMT
#490
Thank you filter, this series has helped me improve more quickly than before, and break through a personal plateau in my play that I've been frustrated with. It's world class content.

I love the way you filter out the noise and focus on the most essential information, it's really quite amazing.

And so effective, my last game was against a high diamond, I'm in gold and I won, what's next, masters?
fatty77
Profile Joined December 2009
United States41 Posts
May 18 2012 01:37 GMT
#491
So I stumble on this guide last week and even though I'm a zerg player, I'm hooked and watched the first two episodes. Kept thinking, this is great, wish he did something like this for zerg. So I skim through the thread, seeing other posters wonder what type of benchmarks could be applied to zerg. Decided to leave and would come back later to see if anyone posted anything.

Come back to the thread today and find out Filter is going to do one for zerg..."oh yeah!!!". Get to page 20 and see that it has already been done..."holy smokes!". Some I'm only a couple minutes into it right now but just had to come in to say 'Thanks!!!!" Now back to the episode 1...
IBringUFire
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany103 Posts
May 18 2012 08:17 GMT
#492
On May 16 2012 19:40 Schaudenfraud wrote:
[...]

That said I do have to cut corners. My macro AND micro isn't good enough to get 112-117 at 10 and 52 scvs like i see in your vids, and sometimes i'm very late against colossi with them popping up in time so i have to micro a bit and make vikings. No biggie though right? Attack moving and winning is a sign of good macro right? Should I just A move my way out of bronze ? I feel I need to micro and stim.


If you feel you need to micro and stim, then do it. Of course that is very viable. The "don't micro at all" stuff should not be interpreted as a law in this style of play. It is meant to ensure that you put enough effort in your macro! If you are able to macro while stimming / microing, you're on the way to becoming even better, as that is the ultimate goal.



Quick question though: is it a good idea to have at least 1 scv on the bunker? I'm asking because sometimes they come in at 7 or 8:00 focus fire my bunker and totally bust my butt.


How far have you watched the video series? Try to watch the minimap every few seconds. As soon as you see enemy dots advancing towards your base, it is very viable to pull some SCVs from your mineral line. I'd suggest more than one, because the more SCVs repair at the same time, the longer it takes for your foe to take down the bunker.

Basically: Do not have an idle SCV sit behind your bunker the whole game. When you see an attack, quickly move some over to repair. After repelling the attack, move them back to your minerals.

This takes a few tries to get used to and be quick enough, but you'll see it works eventually.
Dvriel
Profile Joined November 2011
607 Posts
May 18 2012 08:35 GMT
#493
Hi, again Filter!

Got seroius trouble defending 1base marine+2siege tank push in Cloud Kingdom.Not even pulling workers.He just siege one tank between rocks and wall and the other one down with marines in front.If i got bunker,tanks kill it.And SCVs cant reach siege tanks.Can u make some videos defending this or maybe upload replays?

Thank u very much for everything u do for us to help us...
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
May 18 2012 08:40 GMT
#494
On May 18 2012 17:35 Dvriel wrote:
Hi, again Filter!

Got seroius trouble defending 1base marine+2siege tank push in Cloud Kingdom.Not even pulling workers.He just siege one tank between rocks and wall and the other one down with marines in front.If i got bunker,tanks kill it.And SCVs cant reach siege tanks.Can u make some videos defending this or maybe upload replays?

Thank u very much for everything u do for us to help us...


All questions doesn't need to go into this thread. This is something that, with replays, should go into either the Terran help me, Simple questions, or a dedicated [H] thread.

That doesn't just go for this question, but I feel it goes for most "Hey Filter, how do I defend this/when I push this happens" questions...

The reason I say this is because I feel this thread should be for stuff that is actually about the guide, so we can see when there are updates, ask questions about the actual episodes, and so on, and right now this is just spammed away.
MaryJoana
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany156 Posts
May 18 2012 08:55 GMT
#495
On May 18 2012 17:35 Dvriel wrote:
Hi, again Filter!

Got seroius trouble defending 1base marine+2siege tank push in Cloud Kingdom.Not even pulling workers.He just siege one tank between rocks and wall and the other one down with marines in front.If i got bunker,tanks kill it.And SCVs cant reach siege tanks.Can u make some videos defending this or maybe upload replays?

Thank u very much for everything u do for us to help us...


Can you show us the replays of you unsuccessfully defending it? Then we could all give our opinions on it.
If you can't handle the heat, don't jump in the fire.
Mackx
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands26 Posts
May 18 2012 09:25 GMT
#496
On May 18 2012 17:40 TheExodus wrote:
All questions doesn't need to go into this thread. This is something that, with replays, should go into either the Terran help me, Simple questions, or a dedicated [H] thread.

That doesn't just go for this question, but I feel it goes for most "Hey Filter, how do I defend this/when I push this happens" questions...

The reason I say this is because I feel this thread should be for stuff that is actually about the guide, so we can see when there are updates, ask questions about the actual episodes, and so on, and right now this is just spammed away.


Haha at first I suspected your 121 posts to be only in this thread, but after reading this I can safely assume you are Filter's personal assitant haha gj for your dedication TheExodus I like it
Will try to contribute more to this thread myself after seeing this.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left" ~D
Schaudenfraud
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States38 Posts
May 18 2012 09:37 GMT
#497
Word has spread in the lower leagues of your exploits, Filter. Had a game where a fellow lowbie noticed your "build' for a lack of a better term. I am now out of bronze and i'm in silver now. Thanks!
zoglug
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
May 18 2012 10:59 GMT
#498
Ive been practicing the Zerg benchmarks like a madman! Even in 2v2 and i love the challenge. So far i have managed to win 9 out of 10 games on the ladder. The reactions ive had when people see the sheer amount of roaches flowing into the base is amazing! People seriously cant believe by 13 mins i almost have a maxed out army with 2/2 on the way! Sometimes im still a little short on the drones, regularly hitting 30 @ 6 mins, 50 @ 8 mins but regularly getting 35/55 is tough. One thing which is starting to come naturally is larva injects though. When i tried Zerg originally, i just could not hit them, so could not produce the drones/units and lost an absolute ton of games! Hence why i went protoss, things were simpler.

Looking forward to the follow up videos and developing the build!
You cant see where you are going......if you constantly look at where you have been
NoBanMeAgain
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States194 Posts
May 18 2012 14:32 GMT
#499
this is such an epic guide. i never realized how bad my economy was! thank you so much!
'Widow mines will split open the earth, releasing the fiery bats of hell. The skies will grow black with the shadows of the medivacs, and they shall see no light but the harsh exhaust of afterburners. MajOr-16:1
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
May 18 2012 21:59 GMT
#500
On May 18 2012 17:40 TheExodus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 17:35 Dvriel wrote:
Hi, again Filter!

Got seroius trouble defending 1base marine+2siege tank push in Cloud Kingdom.Not even pulling workers.He just siege one tank between rocks and wall and the other one down with marines in front.If i got bunker,tanks kill it.And SCVs cant reach siege tanks.Can u make some videos defending this or maybe upload replays?

Thank u very much for everything u do for us to help us...


All questions doesn't need to go into this thread. This is something that, with replays, should go into either the Terran help me, Simple questions, or a dedicated [H] thread.

That doesn't just go for this question, but I feel it goes for most "Hey Filter, how do I defend this/when I push this happens" questions...

The reason I say this is because I feel this thread should be for stuff that is actually about the guide, so we can see when there are updates, ask questions about the actual episodes, and so on, and right now this is just spammed away.


You know I actually don't mind that much, the thread doesn't move blazing fast and discussion is always a good thing, plus there's a lot of great help here. The vast majority of the help in this thread is based around the ideas of macro and hitting certain marks, instead of being overwhelmed with the 50 things somebody did wrong there's a clear direction for improvement.

On a side note Diablo 3's rocky launch absolutely raped me, the one day it was freely available to play my buddies and I ran through nightmare start to finish

Back to creating the content today though, I need to get another map video done, add the third Zerg video and I really want to take a look at the engagements. Expect to see lots of updates tomorrow on the channel, plus I plan on announcing a couple of new series going forward that should be really good.
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