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TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=346737 I now use it every PvZ and it works well even if I miss some of the timings (I'm plat). I personaly see this as the solution to this build and that in hots every stargate opener will completely get this build trashed, and we could get our win rate vs zerg back to 90%++ GLHF! | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
On July 09 2012 03:31 draemn wrote: I have been tending to skip sentries... maybe one or two sentires if I can wall off the ramp to my natural with 2 FF or less just to defend home base when they split their roaches. Part of the problem with going any kind of non-forge fast expand is they build a pool first and can easily kill you if you don't make a forge and they scout it. The other problem is if you don't FEE expand, it just takes the game back to what it was 6 months ago and zerg found lots of ways to survive 1 base pressure. I have little experince in what will work as I haven't been able to win vs players who PROPERLY follow this build (many gold/plats mess up the build slightly). Where do you get the idea that you can't gateway expand? Just because you may not be able to do it or it may be difficult does not mean that you will die if you don't have a forge against pool first. It sounds like uninformed generalizations to me. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
Of course, some 2-base timings are more all-in than others. Sometimes, you'll see a good aggressive attack with an expansion starting as the push winds down. Those still have to do damage to stay even, but the bar to stay in the game is lower with that third base building behind the push. | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
On July 11 2012 00:20 kcdc wrote: It seems to me that pros are settling back into the 2-base timing set of strategies, to the extent that they'd ever left. Most of the Zerg losses I see are to 2-base timings that they weren't prepared for, and most of the rest of the Zerg losses I see are to big vortexes. But the general trend seems to be to use a mixture of 2-base timings and sprinkle in some 3-base builds in as a change up to keeps Zergs honest so they don't over-defend the 8 to 11 minute timing window. Of course, some 2-base timings are more all-in than others. Sometimes, you'll see a good aggressive attack with an expansion starting as the push winds down. Those still have to do damage to stay even, but the bar to stay in the game is lower with that third base building behind the push. Iono, 3 base plays are way way more common than they were half a year ago. I think you're just watching MC and new-age Mana too much. | ||
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Jasiwel
United States146 Posts
 Also, FFE never really inspired me, mainly because I've played a lot of customs or Monobattles with Roach timings that devestate wall-offs like it. Sure it gives you more time to react and fight off the first few waves, but like we saw with Elfi vs. Stephano, it really does little good once that pendulum starts gaining momentum. It was easy to see the problems with it. Has anyone gone Stargate and held-off long enough to bring out a powerful Carrier/Phoenix/Chargelot/Stalker composition? | ||
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Supah
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
I don't really like the new metagame where the bases are so close together and easily defended that if P takes a third, there's no fighting until 20 minutes. I guess swarm hosts will fix that tho. Too bad P won't get a unit that makes it possible to take a third that's remotely exposed. | ||
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