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[G]/[D] Zerg - The fastest Larva Injecting method

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hunterxx
Profile Joined February 2011
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 10:53:18
March 06 2012 10:41 GMT
#1
Hi guys, I'm a high master US server (skohunterxxz), GM SEA server (AngryHunter), and this is my first thread on strategy guide forum to share my little tip to help Zerg players make the injecting larva task a lot easier. Larva injecting is a time-consuming task and require lots of practice in order to master; we know that in a game, every second counts. My method below can help injecting larva 5 hatch in just 2 seconds.

First, you have to change your custom key a little bit. Open custom key settings and under "Control Group" tab, set F2 to be "Select control group 6", Ctrl + F2 as "Create control group 6", F3 to be "Select control group 7", Ctrl + F7 as "Create control group 7" and so on until F5. I use number 1-5 to control units and 6-9 to inject larva, and you can see my hotkey setting in this picture

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Second, you have to set Queen - Inject Larva ability to be button [`] (the button under ESC). The default button V is very inconvenient for injecting larva imo

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That's it! In game, you set control group queen 1 and hatch 1 as F2, queen 2 and hatch 2 as F3, queen 3 and hatch 3 as F4...etc To do larva injecting, [F2], [`] click hatch, [F3], [`] click hatch, [F4],[`] click hatch.Here is my short video on how I inject larva in a game.

( Sorry for the poor video quality: I just uploaded the clip to YouTube so it needs a couple of hours for the quality to get improved. )
Please leave thoughts and comments if you appreciate my thread. Thanks
Z-Ganon_the_Boss
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany11 Posts
March 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#2
The quality of the video is bad but your idea of practising faster larva injecting is great man.
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Raamah
Profile Joined May 2011
18 Posts
March 06 2012 13:21 GMT
#3
Don't you have to double tap the unit selection hotkey to centre the camera over the hatchery, or are you injecting from the unit panel? If you do have to double tap isn't this method just as fast as individual queen hotkeying?
-Dustin-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States718 Posts
March 06 2012 13:34 GMT
#4
Well the fastest way is to bind base camera to ~(or a similar key) select queens hold v and spam ~ and click. But its sloppy going into the late game for me. I used base cameras X, C, V, B, and N also had Spacebar bound for just important stuff as pressing Z quick saved it. I found this method to be ideal for me and really recommend it. as you just roll the bottom keys and you checked all your hatches I got in the habit of spamming them while macroing as it didn't deslect what you had selected.

And in battle you just press Z then x inject spacebar you are injected and back at the battle.
qwertyindeed
Profile Joined November 2010
151 Posts
March 06 2012 16:08 GMT
#5
this is the same as having queen+hatch binded to 5,6,7..etc and just injecting with `
Guamshin
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands295 Posts
March 06 2012 16:13 GMT
#6
Argh i hate all these silly queen inject threads, especially when they say it's the "best" or "fastest".
Weeeee
Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
March 06 2012 17:00 GMT
#7
This IS the fastest though...
Best or nothing.
Kaleidos
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy172 Posts
March 06 2012 17:01 GMT
#8
I use this method too (binding queen+hatch to f1 f2 f3 and inject to spacebar). That said.. this is not new at all but, since i gave an opportunity to other methods as well, i truly think this is the fastest one while still being reliable all game long.
It even has some other pros like being able to jump through bases, researching an upgrade at a specific base, responsive queens control in defensive scenarios.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 17:12:03
March 06 2012 17:10 GMT
#9
/sigh
Your method is just the "bind individual queens to hotkeys" method, but you've moved the hotkeys. To inject four hatcheries you are doing:
F2, F2, `, click, F3, F3, `, click, F4, F4, `, click, F5, F5, `, click

Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 16
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 4



A better method:
Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!

My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)

To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click


Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1
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hunterxx
Profile Joined February 2011
United States15 Posts
March 06 2012 22:31 GMT
#10
Well the fastest way is to bind base camera to ~(or a similar key) select queens hold v and spam ~ and click. But its sloppy going into the late game for me.

Yes, the method to bind base camera to ~ is fast, but it can be very easily confused in the late game or one of your queen dies. It can make the queen in one base travel all along to inject larva in the other base.

On March 07 2012 01:08 qwertyindeed wrote:
this is the same as having queen+hatch binded to 5,6,7..etc and just injecting with `

That's correct. I'm not assume that I "invent" this method, and know that some of the people here may share the same idea as me. However, I still see pros set control hatch to be 6 7 8 9 and manually select queen to inject larva to each individual hatchery - that's painfully slow in my opinion. If pros are still do that, so a lot of players are still inject larva manually which take a lot of time. Also, I don't often use camera control much in game, so changing F2-F6 buttons don't seem to have any downside effect for me

/sigh
Your method is just the "bind individual queens to hotkeys" method, but you've moved the hotkeys. To inject four hatcheries you are doing:
F2, F2, `, click, F3, F3, `, click, F4, F4, `, click, F5, F5, `, click

Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 16
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 4


A better method:
Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!

My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)

To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click


Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1


Could you make a video to show how you inject larva in a real game? You might have less button to inject larva, but the distance your finger have to move across the keyboard is long (F4 to shift for example) so it might not suit everyone with different keyboard size and take more time to do it. Also, I don't change the F1 button because of the Selecting idle worker function.
eParadox
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 01:23:56
March 07 2012 01:18 GMT
#11
I have a problem, when I change the hotkey for creating control groups, It won't let me bind 2 buttons to 1 command.
When I press SPACE + 5 it will only show 5 not SPACE + 5.

or is blizzard just stupid and doesn't let you fully customized hotkeys.
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Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
March 07 2012 01:55 GMT
#12
How come people don't just rebind Spacebar to cycle between bases? Hotkey with Queens, Space, Inject, Space, Inject, etc.
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
March 07 2012 01:58 GMT
#13
On March 07 2012 10:55 Supah wrote:
How come people don't just rebind Spacebar to cycle between bases? Hotkey with Queens, Space, Inject, Space, Inject, etc.

I do it and I like it!
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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
March 07 2012 02:27 GMT
#14
On March 07 2012 10:18 eParadox wrote:
I have a problem, when I change the hotkey for creating control groups, It won't let me bind 2 buttons to 1 command.
When I press SPACE + 5 it will only show 5 not SPACE + 5.

or is blizzard just stupid and doesn't let you fully customized hotkeys.


You can only bind more than one key to a command when the modifiers (Shift, Ctrl, and Alt) are used. You can change your spacebar to one of these modifiers outside the game if you desire.
sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
March 07 2012 02:46 GMT
#15
I have F5 set to my queen hotkey, F6 to base camera, F7 to inject.

whenever i want to inject I just go F5 F6 F7 F6 F7 F6 F7.
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
March 07 2012 03:55 GMT
#16
I use F1-> for location. Don't even hotkey queens, they big you cannot miss. F1 click v click etc. Maybe not optimal but prefer having my overseers hotkeyed over queens. Binding hatcheries to 0 and binding 0 to mouse sidebutton has also been kind to me. Now if I could only remember to bind evos to 9,spire and whatever to 7/8 and put on other sidebuttons I would be a little better ;-)

Ps. Individual hotkeys for queens seem bad to me. You often have 4 queens that's almost half of you hotkeyes. If you pro and hotkey evo & spire. Use atleast 2 for lings 2 for other army. You are out and cannot even hotkey hatcheries.
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Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
March 07 2012 04:08 GMT
#17
On March 07 2012 10:55 Supah wrote:
How come people don't just rebind Spacebar to cycle between bases? Hotkey with Queens, Space, Inject, Space, Inject, etc.

because this is too simple and easy.
"let your freak flag fly"
Mogrisauce
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1 Post
March 07 2012 04:58 GMT
#18
This is a very helpful method. Thanks for sharing, hunterxx
Live long and prosper
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
March 07 2012 05:31 GMT
#19
On March 07 2012 02:00 Quochobao wrote:
This IS the fastest though...


Not really.
Bind base camera to space.
Bind queens to 4 (or whatever hotkey you want)
Lets say you have 6 bases:

4 -> shift+v(keep holding shift) -> space -> click -> space -> click -> space -> click -> space -> click -> space -> click -> space -> click -> S

There. Even if you are missing a queen from a hatchery, they won't go wandering around(As you hit S) and you will inject literally 3 times as fast as in the video of this thread.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
March 07 2012 05:33 GMT
#20
I don't see how this could be faster than the backspace inject method at all. Backspace to cycle between base (at default), but most change it to space bar (ie it's known as backspace inject method because that's default setting, but most remap backspace to spacebar, which makes it even faster and easier).

Just seems like the standard multiple hatch hotkey inject method, but remapping the hotkeys to f2+/6+ and v (larva inject) to `. Watching the video doesn't seem to be nearly as fast as the backspace method...

Most pros seem to go with the multiple hatch setup though. I'm not sure why, I guess it's a BW habit and they like the control to go to any hatch (like to see it to deal with a drop, or control where the drones are made), but personally I use 'stop' on queens if I happen to cycle through a hatch that doesn't have a queen at it yet (the problem with backspace method is if a hatch doesnt have it's own nearby dedicated queen, then queens all over the map run to it), and I hotkey my hatches anyways to the F1+ keys if I want to look at them (or rather, I hotkey camera locations).

You're obviously higher level than me, as are the pros, so I'd appreciate if you addressed this, and with the solutions to the potential problems of backspace method that I described, in mind.
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