[G] PvZ Adonminus Macro-Aggressive Style - Page 11

Macro game, skipping zealot timing due to lots of early speedlings. Great example of standard macro game with this build, with robo immortals with some colossus and then adding stargate for potential lategame mothership.

On April 11 2012 03:48 matrius wrote:
btw - can you include a rep or two where you lose? Ideally when you follow the strat but hit a snag. I find that lots can be learned from losses as well...

Thanks!

On April 11 2012 04:02 Adonminus wrote:

I lose from time to time to late game broodlords when he deals damage to me midgame while I doing pressure him back enough and allow him to macro up. That's the reason I played some games trying out the carrier late game transition. I don't lose a lot of PvZs though. My weakest match up is actually PvT with all the irony, perhaps it's just because I'm high master and terran can actually micro there. My PvP is also great, but I lose to cheeses/all inns from time to time when I'm tired.

Here's a fail game of me trying carriers:
http://sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)FoPǂSpirit_vs_(P)NOMAdonminus/19197

My main mistakes there are:
-Poor management against pressure, taking economical losses.
-Lack of archons and high templars to splash and kill corruptors defending the carriers.

Edit: Note that I use an early stargate when I see zerg 2 basing, this way I can scout him and see if he goes mutalisk or infestors. Then I can use phoenix to gain high ground vision and pressure him really easily on close air on maps like Shakuras, Antiga, Metalopolis, Shattered etc...

On April 11 2012 20:27 Adonminus wrote:
1st placement match, got slivko as my opponent. Check this game out:
http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)NOMAdonminus_vs_(Z)roxkisSlivko/19205

On April 12 2012 17:22 huggab0y wrote:
just got 6pooled with this build, what is the best response to that? build a forge + cannon in mineral line? thanks

On April 12 2012 09:37 Mercy13 wrote:


Very exciting game : )

Any idea how you could have pulled off the win? Collosus mb once you saw the infestors? Faster third? He was extremely aggressive so I doubt you would have been successful putting on counter pressure...

Thanks for keeping up with this thread, I like this build a lot and you have been a great help!

On April 14 2012 15:24 benjaminethanlim wrote:
Firstly, thanks for writing such a good and comprehensive guide. it has really helped my PvZ alos.
i'm a lowly plat toss, and many zergs at my level find it hard to play against the initial +1 zealot push.

tips to any brotoss who wants to try this. (please remember im only low plat)
if it's a map like shakuras where it is easy to do a complete wall off on the natural's ramp, going gate-core-forge may not be a problem. I've been practicing this build with a friend who plays Z. i notice that when he goes 14-14, zergling numbers can be abit difficult to deal with, even if u use ur first 2 lots.what i suggest would be to get your forge before your core. Yes, it means that lots wont hit at the nice 7.30 timing. but you are alot safer.

i think the best think about this build is the initial +1 timing. it's great for sniping the third. even if you realize that the zerg has roaches, warp in 3-4 stalkers to deal with them. it is very possible with the help from the lots.

what the author says about the game ending at 13-14 mins is really quite true. blink stalkers + a few lots really do work very well at that timing.

so yup ! thanks for the guide. i use to be stomped over by Zs. now at least i have a good strat that is easy to execute.

On April 12 2012 23:39 Adonminus wrote:

I think walling the 3rd better, using more sentries for forcefields, and try to build the maximum units possible while getting minimal losses. I also let him get alot of infestors should have tried to snipe some with stalkers. Colossus is a wise choice too but was a bit expensive for me at that time, needed faster defense so not sure. Also I was a bit nervous, so I did some missmicros and slow reactions.


On the 6 pool, question as I explained previously. You'll have about 400 mineral when 6 pool hits right before you're supposed to start expo. Pull all probes from mineral and defend the pylon powering the gateway until a zealot is out, build a forge to make a wall at your ramp and a pylon in case he kills the one you have. You should successfully stop a 6 pool like that once you get enough zealots. I don't have a replay though.

On April 14 2012 16:02 Skyro wrote:
Well I've been using your build for a bit now and I have absolutely no clue why you opt to go 6 gate 3 gas with your blink stalker push instead of 7 gate 4 gas push and mix in sentries. It makes the push timing incredibly stronger while also making your build safer overall and sets you up better to transition into tech if you choose not to push out with your stalkers. And it doesn't even delay the push significantly. Watching your game vs slivko made me cringe at your complete non-usage of sentries the whole game.

Also in that slivko game you would've won if you didn't push out with your blink stalker timing and just teched to colossi. Your build transitions into an incredibly strong +3 weapons colossi timing due to your fast weapon upgrades. IMO what happens during your initial zealot pressure should dictate how you follow-up. If you snipe the 3rd hatchery I believe the colossus timing would net you a lot more victories in the long run. But even if you do go for the blink stalker push I think you would also be better off really going more "all-in" with it, e.g. 7-gates 4 gas sentry variant like I suggested above. IMO it's just not worth half-assing these types of pushes because if you get deflected you are in such a rough spot, i.e. it is hard to get a 3rd set up after you get your push deflected.

I also think if your goal is to play a macro game then I think it's better for you to set up your 3rd earlier either ASAP after your zealot pressure ends or by faking your zealot pressure by posturing on the map and then falling back for a 6:30-ish 3rd.

On April 15 2012 03:48 Adonminus wrote:

Thanks for the feedback, I always appreciate constructive criticism on how to improve. I would like to note that it is possible to take a 3rd after zealot pressure when you see no pressure coming from him. I never tried 7 gate with this so I'll consider trying it out.