(D) The Hydra Pilgrimage Part 1 - Page 5

On February 15 2012 05:49 Steak_ wrote:
That's me! I remember that game clearly, and I feel like that game I played against you was an example as to why hydras aren't very good in the midgame. They're better than I thought, because I decided to a-move you before any of my upgrades completed and get demolished by the banelings, and I still didn't lose there. If a Terran just plays defensively and takes expoes, you'll be screwed, maxed on something even worse than ling/bling/muta. Hydras don't let you get hive ever with the amount of gas they cost, and 3/3 marines with a good tank count will shred everything. Their gas cost also forces infestors to be late, and you need these high tech units to defeat the much more cost efficient marine/tank/medivac.

Also, queens are a much gas cheaper unit at focusing down medivacs, the only good thing hydras seem to do. They're dead supply and gas, and a turtling Terran needs to make a huge mistake to lose against them (much like I did).

On February 15 2012 05:36 TheSambassador wrote:
I was once like you, my friend! I even started a thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235527

It's tricky, because Hydras are so expensive... dropping them seems so scary. But you basically NEED either Nydus or drop to use them aggressively. They actually defend drops pretty well IMO... a few at a base can focus down the medivac extremely quickly.

It seems like Blizzard designed them to be defensive (based on their creep speed upgrade) and maybe offensive in the late game (when creepspread is bigger).

I think that Hydras mixed in with Brood Lords and/or Ultralisks could be EXTREMELY strong. The Ultra is the epitome of tankiness, and the Hydras can just do so more damage. They also aren't terrible at trying to kill off Vikings, especially with Infestor support.

I really hope that we see more hydras in the late game once zerg players get their "deathball" going.

On February 15 2012 02:00 brimestone wrote:
No man. hydra dies to fast in tvz.
Even if they are like stim marines. They still cos gas.

Lets say 10 hydras is = to 15 marines.
Thats 1000 minerals and 500 gas. For terran thats 750 minerals only.
NOT A Good trade off.

To make matters worse. 15 marines plus a tank. Thats just 900 minerals and 100 gas.
Now will ten hydras kill 15 marines plus a tank? No way man.

On February 15 2012 05:30 Tal0n wrote:
hydras are really good in their spots in all matchups. have you ever tryed a 2 base hydra/ling timing in zvz? its incredibly safe and you can be aggressive anyway. you may say: "well banelings will just rape you" - only if you suck

i did some roach hydra in zvt too. its only good on specific maps like shakuras. take the 3rd thats closer to the middle, defend it with roach hydra, then go into muta or infestor as you expand away from T.

hydras are beast in zvp. they beat everything which is why colossus and HT need to hardcounter them (don't mistake this for an argument that sc2 is extremely well designed pls.)

On February 15 2012 06:33 Felnarion wrote:
You Protosses who are claiming hydras aren't good against gateway armies are crazy, go give it a shot in a unit tester. Don't build all hydras vs all zealots or stalkers or something stupid, give it a real composition. SOmething like hydra ling against zealot stalker. The hydras will freaking wreck.

On February 15 2012 08:45 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Funny stuff and interesting to read. Please tell me when you get hydras down to an art so I can copycat. Not brave and adventurous enough to go where only you and probably few others have gone before!

On February 15 2012 14:25 GinDo wrote:


I was watching Korean Weekly and what the Zerg did was use Nydus instead of walking his troops. The success of Hydras I feel directly correlate to the effectiveness is the Zerg players Nydus play.

I am not saying you need to get a Nydus into their base, but rather use nyduses to reinforce your attacks and to retreat when needed. Kind of like how Protosses build proxy pylons as they progress across the map.