• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:34
CEST 20:34
KST 03:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy12
Community News
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?38Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris47Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Speculation of future Wardii series
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
Pros React To: herO's Baffling Game BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
Is there English video for group selection for ASL Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1125 users

[H] ZvT Dealing with Nuke Harass

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
January 22 2012 17:53 GMT
#1
I've been playing really well against Terran lately, like 83% win rate at high diamond level. Yesterday I lost to the first Terran in a long time. The reason? Nukes.

It was in a point in the game where I was about to steam roll him, then he just started distracting the hell out of me with nukes. I was at first good about finding the red dot, evacuating my drones, and putting them back after. But it got to the point where he was nuking so much I felt like all I had time to do was look for red dots. Then he nuked my main so many times that my spawning pool and tech died. It was annoying as all hell! I was paralyzed and couldn't play the game because of nukes!

The problem is finding those damn ghosts. With DT harass, for example, you can always find the DT because he has to come out and kill something. But these fucking ghosts just hide in little nooks and crannies and it takes a real effort to find them and kill them. And then once you think they're gone, you leave an overseer and a few lings in the base just in case. But the first thing the Terran does is snipe the overseer before you have time to react. I almost feel like I need 2 overseers per base, and two groups of lings, one on each side. But that seems like an over-investment.

An idea I had after playing this game was that maybe I should have kept a separate small flock of mutas + an overseer with overlord speed in my base area. And used that group as a ghost kill-squad. Would that be a good way to handle the ghost harass? It seems better than lings because of the mobility between bases.

If that's a bad idea, are there any common tricks to dealing with this, or is it just an APM thing? (It did just feel like I couldn't keep up, so it might simply be that.)

Here is the replay.

Note: I realize my play was not optimal. I'm not interested in advice about the early game where I sort of fuck up with the hellions and had an insane surplus of gas. I know what I did wrong there. The fact is, at this level, if I would have handled that properly, I would have probably never even went into the late game with this guy. So the point is moot. I am only interested in advice about the nuke harass.

Thanks!
Isomer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States186 Posts
January 22 2012 19:06 GMT
#2
As Sean would say: "Just go fuckin kill him"

If you are about to steamroll him and he starts being cutesy with nukes, just attack him. He will be forced to use the nukes defensively, then he won't be harassing you with them, and you can keep macroing up. Every nuke/ghost he has is almost 2 tanks he doesn't have, so just go at him.
There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 19:39:46
January 22 2012 19:16 GMT
#3
Streaming my response + replay anaylsis right now: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HardCorey

VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/hardcorey23/b/306260638 (starts at 3:30)

Consensus: You know what youre doing. You just got impatient at the end and could have won with careful broodlord control. Think about the ghosts like they are marine drops. This is sort of idea, deny the dropship you deny the drop. Mutalisks roaming with overseers can also help and youre idea of keeping an overseer and somelings with each base is almost perfect but maybe need a backup spore crawler.
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
January 22 2012 19:25 GMT
#4
Isomer "just go fucking kill him", while he is turtling with tanks and bunkers at home? Any tip on that?
one day.. i'll lose my mind
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 19:46:25
January 22 2012 19:41 GMT
#5
On January 23 2012 04:16 HardCorey wrote:
Streaming my response + replay anaylsis right now: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HardCorey

VOD:

Consensus:


Just watched your analysis. Thanks man.

Yeah, seeing the game again on your stream with a clear head, it's pretty clear I just let the nuke harass distract and paralyze me way too much. If I would have just had the clarity of mind to get the broods earlier, I think it would have been gg.

Like you, I was also shocked when those queens survived! lol I wonder if they were just slightly out of range or something. (Edit: Yeah, in the outer ring, it wouldn't kill them. )

Anyway... Thanks again!
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
January 22 2012 21:09 GMT
#6
On January 23 2012 04:41 GWBuffalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 04:16 HardCorey wrote:
Streaming my response + replay anaylsis right now: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HardCorey

VOD:

Consensus:


Just watched your analysis. Thanks man.

Yeah, seeing the game again on your stream with a clear head, it's pretty clear I just let the nuke harass distract and paralyze me way too much. If I would have just had the clarity of mind to get the broods earlier, I think it would have been gg.

Like you, I was also shocked when those queens survived! lol I wonder if they were just slightly out of range or something. (Edit: Yeah, in the outer ring, it wouldn't kill them. )

Anyway... Thanks again!



Glad it helped man! This is a new idea /show im trying out where I just spend a lot of time on the strategy forums answering people's questions through a stream.
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Maestros of the Game
17:00
Group Stage - Group A
Classic vs TriGGeR
Reynor vs SHIN
ComeBackTV 1227
SteadfastSC448
IndyStarCraft 198
CranKy Ducklings174
Rex58
EnkiAlexander 56
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 448
IndyStarCraft 198
Livibee 157
BRAT_OK 84
ProTech77
JuggernautJason60
Rex 58
MindelVK 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29282
EffOrt 1047
Larva 473
hero 220
ggaemo 204
firebathero 164
sSak 119
Hyun 99
Dewaltoss 72
Mong 68
[ Show more ]
PianO 43
Bonyth 34
soO 34
Aegong 29
Sacsri 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 4
Dota 2
The International43236
Gorgc18268
Fuzer 272
Counter-Strike
Fnx 2135
pashabiceps884
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu208
Other Games
FrodaN1227
ceh9436
ToD218
SortOf213
mouzStarbuck123
Trikslyr121
ArmadaUGS113
C9.Mang0100
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta11
• Reevou 7
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1856
• masondota2722
League of Legends
• TFBlade788
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie743
• Shiphtur186
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 26m
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
15h 26m
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Maestros of the Game
22h 26m
Serral vs Ryung
ByuN vs Zoun
BSL Team Wars
1d
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
CranKy Ducklings
1d 15h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Cosmonarchy
1d 19h
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
Maestros of the Game
1d 22h
Solar vs Bunny
Clem vs Rogue
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 23h
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Maru vs Lambo
herO vs ShoWTimE
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025 – Warsaw LAN
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.