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On March 23 2012 14:17 Adonminus wrote:
Carriers are really good against the "zerg deathball" of infestors and broodlords. However I'm not sure you will have enough units in time to stop the 3 base roach pressures zerg use nowadays. Perhaps an early stargate pressure but using those 4 gates to warp units defensively and get a slightly earlier 3rd.
This build was being worked on before 3 base roach pressure (from a super early third) became common. See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320894.
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thats the same guy, silly
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Yeah, the metagame has shifted in the last 3+ months, and I don't think this build is well-suited to how Z's are playing right now. It can still work, but there are more stable ways to take a third base and hit carrier/archon/HT.
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On March 27 2012 03:43 kcdc wrote:
Yeah, the metagame has shifted in the last 3+ months, and I don't think this build is well-suited to how Z's are playing right now. It can still work, but there are more stable ways to take a third base and hit carrier/archon/HT.
When I saw this bumped and re-read the "phase 1" part of the build, I thought, "I'll have way more than 45 drones safely by 8:00". Then i make roach and if you expanded, you die.
Could still work depending on the map, but 3base roach aggression is pretty strong atm. Probably a great entombed valley build, especially with the nearby rock for the void ray to abuse if you're lucky.
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Eh, if you do the zealot-void harass really well, you can still punish Z's for going over 50 drones. They need some roaches and lings, early creep spread and an extra queen or 2. The pressure does limit Z's economy even if Z plays perfectly--it just doesn't limit Z's economy to allow P to tech all 3 tech paths at once with an 11 minute third.
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Why not just go stalker/Collosus/Voidray. The unbeatable composition. Until they have the brood death ball of course. just kill them before that though =P
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As you mentioned it seems a bit fragile now. How about starting a thread on the best ways to get to a late game of carrier/archon/templar and working on shield and air upgrades.
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On March 27 2012 07:48 -Switch- wrote:
Why not just go stalker/Collosus/Voidray. The unbeatable composition. Until they have the brood death ball of course. just kill them before that though =P
Because since the infestor buff void rays actually suck to fight almost anything straight up in pvz.
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why not skip storm tech till you have a 3rd up, it semms you went every tech path you wanted before the 3rd and 4th, this way you can pump more immortals and be safer to roaches
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On March 27 2012 03:43 kcdc wrote:
Yeah, the metagame has shifted in the last 3+ months, and I don't think this build is well-suited to how Z's are playing right now. It can still work, but there are more stable ways to take a third base and hit carrier/archon/HT.
Do you have any suggestions on this for the current metagame?
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On March 27 2012 08:37 Startyr wrote:
As you mentioned it seems a bit fragile now. How about starting a thread on the best ways to get to a late game of carrier/archon/templar and working on shield and air upgrades.
On May 02 2012 07:13 WolfBro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 03:43 kcdc wrote:
Yeah, the metagame has shifted in the last 3+ months, and I don't think this build is well-suited to how Z's are playing right now. It can still work, but there are more stable ways to take a third base and hit carrier/archon/HT. Do you have any suggestions on this for the current metagame?
check out my thread, it advocates a rush to mothership and just dumping all of your 2 base gas into void rays, and all your minerals into cannons, this allows you to secure the third and get air upgrades rolling. After the third is secure you can do a lot of different things but normally I just add 2 more SG and a second core.
After 4 base i normally add lots of tech, but doing it on 3 base is probably fine.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333403
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Why was this bumped? The metagame these days makes this guide actually kinda obsolete and misleading.
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EPT
