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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Going to try this myself  PvZ is my worst matchup and if this works at Masters etc level the it should help bolster me to high dimaond whilei get to grips with it:D Any chance of posting some replays? Would like to see what you do, especially when they go muta. | ||
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Ada
Germany150 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On December 02 2011 19:28 FabledIntegral wrote: The immortal timing in itself is surprisingly strong. I always open with extra queens, but I think the biggest thing for me when scouting 1 gate robo would be wondering if it's going to be this immortal play, or colossus play, or even somehow a 2gate robo expo. yeh thats great theory crafting but what zerg keeps all 4 queens together? Also wouldnt when this comes, 2 will be injecting lava and im presuming another 2 may be dropping tumours and you may also have only one or two transfuses unless you see this coming and have saved them up. Also wouldnt you then focus the queen with most mana so perhaps others may get one off. If you know this is coming at the start of the game its easy to say yeh 4 queens stop this, but in game, it can be quite differnet. Again im theory crafting just like you are, but shitting on a build which before injects and dropping tumers you may not actually see it till he has dropped and already focusing one fo thw two queens in your main. Im only going on the drop part. as immortals do quite well, also you have the choice of warp prism into phase mode and warp in 4 zeals to target the queens.. again im theory crafting same as you :D | ||
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DunD
Australia9 Posts
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Mellon
Sweden917 Posts
Thanks for upload | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
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CygNus X-1
Canada169 Posts
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flyguy
United States45 Posts
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BestFriends
Canada133 Posts
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Xanatoss
Germany539 Posts
Nevertheless Prism-Harass was able to create up to 1000 Ressources of Eco damage and therefore is a great way to extend the purpose of P's early Units. I think with proper execution, incorperating the lowground forge makes this way better. The pushes reach Z that late, even +1/+1 could be finished by then, greatly enhancing their strength. In addition P is completly safe against early Pools, has the Ability to Cannon-Rush Z's Natural and a possible Transition by expanding next the the already established wall (the point I dislike the most about your build). 2nd Warpprism might be a useful addition, allowing for more Immortal Micro and the ability to warp in single zealots into an exposed mineral-line and picking up more units in case the push gets overwhelmed. | ||
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
Thank you so much. Cheers!! | ||
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Mikelius
Germany517 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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TylerThaCreator
United States906 Posts
On December 03 2011 01:55 Mikelius wrote: Lobber, if you were to make this build not all in and wanted to go into a macro game, what modifications would you do in order to secure more bases while still beating the snot out of the zerg's economy early game? lol. the whole point of the build is that its a strong 1 base allin. if you don't cause incredible damage (kill nat, half drones) then you might be fucked. you just tech if they're able to go muta or hydra. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
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freetgy
1720 Posts
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
On December 02 2011 21:40 Tommylew wrote: people seem to forget this build is NON STANDARD, thats another reason it catches a lot of zergs of guard. As they dont know whats going on, what no FFE? or 3 gate sentry expand??? :D Going to try this myself PvZ is my worst matchup and if this works at Masters etc level the it should help bolster me to high dimaond whilei get to grips with it:D Any chance of posting some replays? Would like to see what you do, especially when they go muta. It actually doesn't matter if its standard or not. I use a similar build as one of my PvZ builds, and I play masters level Z players on my friends who say its one of the most annoying things to deal with in my arsenal. | ||
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terranmoccasin
United States74 Posts
On December 03 2011 04:04 freetgy wrote: all i see in those replays is that you opponents are bad at adapting at what they scout, i mean like 1 protoss base play for over 8-9 mins and during the army engagement you have like 50% or even 100% more Army value is ridiculous bad imho... It's a lot easier to say a player is "bad" when watching a replay. I'd like to see you take down GM/Pro players like EG.Machine yourself. This build is a great build and fits perfectly into the current PvZ metagame of FFE on nearly every single map. I do believe that it will be figured out soon, but until it is widely used on the ladder, it will probably be an abusive strategy to farm wins with. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
If zerg doesn't see a protoss expansion around 5:45 they should always be massing roach/ling. I guess it can be difficult for zerg to guess what you are doing as robo on 1 base is really uncommon so they might be expecting air or DT play forcing them into useless spores. Spine wall defense is also quite common which should be pretty useless too against warp prism. | ||
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SethDrone
United States51 Posts
And for the comments about spine walls...they are a joke. If you focus fire them with the stalker/immortal group they die almost instantly and you can usually FF the zergs force behind them. <3 | ||
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Spanishiwa to the bone build anymore (16H/15P?), but if you use the same concept, then you will be able to counter this build and then exploit your econ bonus to do whatever. By which I mean that they FE by any means (11P/18H or 14P/16H), stay gasless until a relatively high supply, and get 3 or 4 queens and a small amount of lings and spines stop attacks in the front. Do that, and pure roach ling can hold it off.
