EPT[G] 1 base robo PvZ - Page 11
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polylol
Canada12 Posts
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Lobber
Canada414 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:48 Rinny wrote: You were playing on the korean server.It was a random korean master. I'm not sure what map. the z got about 5 spines, lings, and queens. After you lost the game you said "I guess mass queens and spines beats it but if i had waped in on the main I would have won". I think it was a little while back , and i linked to your stream from a reddit post, so it probably coincided with one of your posts getting to the front page. Hope that helps ^_^ Oh I just wanted to see if I could break the spine wall with an a move. In a game I played vs sasquach he had 3 queens 12 spines and mass ling and I won anyway just by positioning it well. | ||
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Seduction
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
 so hard to stop its ridiculous. had some dude do it to me yesterday. even though i saw what he was planning when i first saw his prism i didnt know how to react. just couldnt kill the prism | ||
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Magnetz
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Ch4sis
France1 Post
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bigwig
United States17 Posts
This strat confirms it. The effectivness of a strat is inversely proportional to the number of ggs produced by it's succesful execution. By that measure, this strat is better than cheesing in gold league. | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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TechnoSchaman
United States156 Posts
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AfricanPsycho
South Africa158 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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Lobber
Canada414 Posts
On December 16 2011 21:52 Belial88 wrote: You shouldn't really have lair up against 1 base protoss. If anything, you may have started lair or roach speed, but more econ is preferable than lair. You can just make like 20 spines once you have the econ behind it, and that'll stop this build. Mass spine doesn't work, I've torn through 15 spines and mass ling drone with mutas eventually with it, some maps with a choke for the natural spines work, but any open natural and you win vs spine. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On December 17 2011 07:10 Lobber wrote: Mass spine doesn't work, I've torn through 15 spines and mass ling drone with mutas eventually with it, some maps with a choke for the natural spines work, but any open natural and you win vs spine. I think mass spine definitely works. I've held it several times. You just need to micro well with it. Spread creep to the point where you can land a spine-choke , then whenever they try to engage run your lings in, they run back, you run back etc.... As long as you have higher income, its a race against time for you. Don't even transition into mutas, if you are to that point than go infestors. Comes faster and much more useful. In all honestly once you scout the robo, you make like 10 lings to deal with the warp prism harass(which btw I feel like is just anti-productive. Much more expensive than a medivac drop and much less damage-ful.) Then you drone up on 2 base, get fully saturated(or about.) Get a macro hatch, mass spine, and mass ling. | ||
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eteran
Germany83 Posts
On December 17 2011 19:56 Pandain wrote: In all honestly once you scout the robo, you make like 10 lings to deal with the warp prism harass(which btw I feel like is just anti-productive. Much more expensive than a medivac drop and much less damage-ful.) Then you drone up on 2 base, get fully saturated(or about.) Get a macro hatch, mass spine, and mass ling. You don't have to do damage with the Warp Prism to make the push work. Most of the time you're guaranteed 1-2 spotter overlords, and a few lings at least. Sometimes if the Zerg was very greedy you can get a queen. At least the Zerg will have to make a few units, in which case its already worth it, since the units and WP are needed for the push anyways and you will never lose either of them with proper control. Also you get an idea of what the Zerg is doing. When there is a massive amount of lings already, I find that slowing down the push to get out additional units out is benifitial. If the Zerg has Roaches out I push rather quickly, same with a fast Lair. I don't agree with scouting that late however. Scouting on 11 will give you an idea how the Zerg is opening, and sometimes let you prevent a hatch first, which I find to be tricky with this build. It won't delay your 13 gate by much and you can bring back the probe alive most of the times. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
I got destroyed by the build, but i had time to think about it, so when you scout the 1gate robo, you pump 2more queens while staying on one gas, quickly search +1melee, if you don't see any expo by 6:30, it's obvious it will be an one base play, so you pump mass lings and try to catch it in the open field. With only 4sentry, you can't destroy unending waves of speedlings if they micro their lings correctly  | ||
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
On December 24 2011 22:55 Erasme wrote: I faced this build in eu. The kid was pretty arrogant. Upgraded lings shred this :p I got destroyed by the build, but i had time to think about it, so when you scout the 1gate robo, you pump 2more queens while staying on one gas, quickly search +1melee, if you don't see any expo by 6:30, it's obvious it will be an one base play, so you pump mass lings and try to catch it in the open field. With only 4sentry, you can't destroy unending waves of speedlings if they micro their lings correctly The issue with mass lings versus this is that immortals can shred mass lings if protected. If you can turtle with enough spines/queens it can be broken as the OP spoke of, but "mass lings" in preparation of a 1 base play won't cut it. Unless the protoss doesn't micro the army, there is no way he is going to be surrounded and picked apart by an "endless wave" of zerglings, especially if you FF the ramp for reinforcements. | ||
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Lobber
Canada414 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:07 Xenomorph wrote: The issue with mass lings versus this is that immortals can shred mass lings if protected. If you can turtle with enough spines/queens it can be broken as the OP spoke of, but "mass lings" in preparation of a 1 base play won't cut it. Unless the protoss doesn't micro the army, there is no way he is going to be surrounded and picked apart by an "endless wave" of zerglings, especially if you FF the ramp for reinforcements. It's also very very easy to spot mass ling, see no roach warren with your harass? Mass lings, warp in a couple zealots and sentries instead of stalkers and ff well... Still harder than vs roach ling, but still not too bad. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
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