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On September 23 2011 23:32 Mikelius wrote:


Could you share the replay with me? I really love Arcon/Zealot but have a very tough time teching to it safely without being overwhelmed by mass roach.

On September 26 2011 11:15 Crow! wrote:
An update as I tweak my build!

Whenever the Zerg doesn't commit to early Ling pressure, I've taken to putting the second Gateway on the low ground next to pylon #3. Here's a picture of the approximate setup - the two pylons should be further apart than I made them in this game though, in case of baneling busts.



Add on the CyCore, and this makes the wall that much easier to manage when Roach/Ling comes in.

Speaking of which, I've had some requests for a replay in such a situation. Here's a pretty recent one, where I hold with no economic losses despite losing three Zealots completely unnecessarily in the initial attack. I promptly squander my lead, though, with some terrible macro and bad engagement timings.

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On September 26 2011 14:15 Crow! wrote:
That's the contents of the recently added replay, Arisen. I can hold, and the aggression leaves the Zerg behind economically.

On September 27 2011 03:56 Micks wrote:
I tried this build out, I think it's a great build but could certainly use some tweaking. I changed some orders though. I'm not sure if it's better, but I'm definitely going to start using it coupled with some tweaks.

For example, in my build I skip the 2nd gateway and go for a Cyber instead. I got a timing that let's you hit with 5 zealots and +1 attack at the same time when those 5 zealots are in front of their base. That let's me tech up to Immortals much faster that blind counters any roach play that he might be getting.

If he goes straight Roaches, just make sure you keep those 5 zealots alive and you can hit him with a Zealot/Stalker +2 Immortals army at an odd timing. It's highly likely too that Mutas won't be coming out any time soon since you're pressuring him and even if it did, you're already set up with 2 bases and could just pop cannons to defend the harass and add more stalkers to the army to deal with the Mutas.

Yes, this certainly confuses alot of Zergs, I'm not sure if the strength of this build comes from confusion. I don't think it does. It let's you pressure your opponent safer than a 3 gate expand and better too in my opinion.

If that 2 Immortal push doesn't kill him, it's easy to transition to Zealot/Immortal/Templar mix or the standard deathball. I usually go templars because I just love archons.

On September 27 2011 07:03 Micks wrote:
When you say fast Roach, are you talking about 5rr? Because if that's the case this would still work as you can build your cannon behind your forge, it would hard counter it and then you can play normally again.

If you're up against 2 base fast roach, that's the best response by Z in my opinion. It won't crush it if you positioned your cannons right and defend properly. Avoid losing Zealots as much as possible as they would be the key to your survival when lings come. You would be able to stall it until Stalkers come out. Once Stalkers are out it would be a 2base Z vs a 2base P. The roach timing off 2 bases comes out near the time your 5 +1 zealots are in front of his base. Roaches can't catch your Zealots off the creep. I think that's they key point there.

Around what time does the Roach attack come? You might be expanding a little bit early. What I do is to make sure that it's not a 1 base play by Z. Because if it is, then I'm gonna be forced to change it and probably just 4gate +1 attack him.

On September 27 2011 08:25 Micks wrote:
Yeah, I'm using a tweaked version of OP's build. I'm forcing him to go Roaches, and then blind counter with Immortals. Still tweaking it so it would be more efficient but basically it goes like this:

Gateway -> Forge -> +1 Attack -> Cyber -> Robo. All the time while that single gateway is producing Zealots. I'm trying to find out the best time on when's the earliest time I could put down the Nexus and the 2 additional Gateways for a timing push.

Edit:
Using it at Masters at the moment and was able to beat a couple of GMs with it. I'm starting to love my PvZ matchup (I hated it before) after discovering this thread.