This has been working really well for me. (Low masters, was mid, but havent played in 2 weeks on that account).

Roach/Infestor in general seems to work really well, and once broodlords are out, even better. Im really considering continuing with the use of blings. Bling drops plus this crazy roach style would be cool, and should be affordable off 3-4 bases.

michaelhasanalias

Korea (South)1231 Posts

September 02 2011 00:56 GMT

#45

I was practicing a few games last night against a friend doing an 8-9 gate all-in off FFE on shakuras.

He did something a little unorthodox, which is to put the cannon on the wall just above hte ramp, so that I can't poke without immediately losing the scouting ling.

I feel like this wall is highly susceptible to aggression, but I ended up deciding to just drone and keep my remaining few lings alive to spot for push. I used my OL to scout no gas on the natural, indicating to me at least a gateway push.

Do you think it's necessary to keep poking the front if you can get vision of the gas? What else can he possibly do off 2-base and 2-gas except a 6/7/8/9 gate push/all-in? Should I just sac the ling each time, and how often? every 30 seconds?

Thanks for your reply.

RoyalFlush

Canada109 Posts

September 02 2011 01:01 GMT

#46

I would not sacrifice the ling imo but I would rather do an overlord sacrifice or an overseer scout right away to figure out what hes going for
You will be able to assume small things from looking at his natural gas timing and what not
if he has max of 2 gas mining u can basically negate some strats such as 2 stargate play, fast dt rush, 7 gate +2 blink stalkers all in and such
1 stargate play and faster gateway rush is most likely the case

J_D

United States102 Posts

September 02 2011 01:12 GMT

#47

This is an excellent guide, especially for people like me who are still stuck in diamond. It's nothing fancy, but it explains the essential timings and now i actually have a plan for responding to FFE instead of randomly making units and drones. The main disadvantage i can see to this is just that it won't work on some of the blizzard maps or will at least be made more difficult on some of the smaller ones like shattered temple and nezarim crypt. Also, on abyssal caverns, if you spawn close positions I feel that taking a fast 3rd is very risky since the only real option is very far away, making it extremely easy to harass once protoss gets their tech up.

MilesTeg

France1271 Posts

September 02 2011 04:59 GMT

#48

Thanks OP!

All this makes me feel extra bad that I can't ladder these days, I feel I'm missing out on all this easy cathartic ZvP

Shakjlz

France5 Posts

September 02 2011 07:19 GMT

#49

nice guide, gotta try that

Quos

Canada7 Posts

September 02 2011 22:21 GMT

#50

Very credible since I know you are ZvP god royalflush. :D

Inside.Out

Canada569 Posts

September 07 2011 01:37 GMT

#51

solid guide

Champ24

177 Posts

September 07 2011 12:16 GMT

#52

How do you deal with the 3 zealot +1 weapon timing toss can do with a FFE? Hits around 6:45ish specifically to prevent a greedy third by a Zerg following a FFE.

It's outlined in Noumena's "ultimate solution" guide for reference.

Edit: "prevent a greedy third" is maybe a bit strong, but it does prevent mass droning while the toss climbs his preferred tech tree.

awakenx

United States341 Posts

September 09 2011 01:54 GMT

#53

Replayfu is down and I can't download any of the replays

. Perhaps you could reupload some of them to a different site?

bre1010

71 Posts

September 09 2011 02:11 GMT

#54

This is awesome! ZvP is my best matchup by far but as I move from Diamond to Masters I've been looking for better responses to FFE

PenguinWithNuke

250 Posts

September 09 2011 02:21 GMT

#55

This looks awesome, and exactly what I'm looking for. I just have some questions (not questioning the validity of your guide), but maybe you can help me with this.

1. What should be your response against Protoss cheese, like a proxy 2-gate or something like that, or something wonky like a cannon rush?

Maybe I should have posted this in the Zerg Help Me thread, but I'm hoping that you can answer here. Please take into account that I'm a bronze noob.

RoyalFlush

Canada109 Posts

September 09 2011 03:41 GMT

#56

Replays have been updated to a new site and added 1 more replay! enjoy

boblzer0

84 Posts

September 09 2011 03:57 GMT

#57

i was planning on doing this in a game and the guy built a pylon and then a gate that he canceled in my nat which sucked. i suppose i should just ninja the third immediately.

Lobotomist

United States1541 Posts

September 09 2011 05:38 GMT

#58

That replay site doesn't work at all for me. Dunno if anyone else has had this problem. Any chance you could upload them to sc2replayed or something?

Edit: perfect timing. Thanks for the re-upload.

RoyalFlush

Canada109 Posts

September 09 2011 05:55 GMT

#59

Thanks to Lapack
My thread has been translated so the Japanese community can share the strategy as well
http://starcraft2.jpcommunity.com/sc2/modules/xhnewbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2434&post_id=4847#forumpost4847
Awesome!

Lobotomist

United States1541 Posts

September 09 2011 06:20 GMT

#60

This does surprisingly well against fast blink stalkers, I'm actually pretty surprised. What do you lose against most? I would assume either stargate or robo play?

I really, really like the overseer timing also. I've been getting a much later lair vs FFE, trying to do a more Nestea/Losira 1-gas style (more drones) but you have to scout with overlords and lings, which can leave you in the dark sometimes.