[G] PvZ -- Ultimate Solution: Warp Prisms - Page 3

On August 29 2011 16:57 Yakob wrote:
Before you read any further, id like you to know Im in silver league, so feel free to disregard everything i say.

To be honest, depending on the map i could see this strategy being fairly useful against zerg if its the first couple times they face it. i would recommend throwing a stalker in early to hunt down the scouting overlord/drone that would be allowed to see everything thats going on. i suggest stalker because they have a high DPS then sentry, more mobile and cheaper then cannons around your bases, and they are relatively low on gas. if you dont then the zerg player could pretty much see everything that is going on in your base. personally, if i see a FFE i throw down several spine crawlers in my base (I am terrified of cannon rushes). if i didnt scout any probe or pylon in my main or my natural and i saw a second gateway go down instead of a core, the natural response i guess would be to move the spines to the front of my base, throw down a baneling nest, and other then a few lings pump drones hard because in my experience the reason most protoss FFE is to get the extra gas, not the minerals, and if a second gateway goes down before the core then something seems really off (which considering im in silver league wouldnt be a big surprise)

of course, this is my strategy after reading this thread and having a few minutes in real life to mull it over. in game, I would probably die.

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On August 29 2011 21:20 Avan wrote:
Hello there :D

I found this thread amazing, thank you VEEEEEEEEERY VERY VERY MUCH!

My PvZ is a mess right now. Actually, I am terrified of PvZ right now. I've been trying some 1-Gate-Stargate builds, but although they've worked quite well at first, they're dying way too fast to 4-5 Queens at the moment. That number of Queens really messes up any harassment my Void Rays should be able to do (although my control is pretty terrible at times).

So, I've not yet tried your build (gonna try it as soon as I finish writing this). However, as others have already pointed out, I believe it leaves you a little bit vulnerable to roaches, does it not?
By watching one of your replays, I've noticed a window when your opponent could have done a lot of damage to you with his roaches, just before your first Warp Prism popped out.

By the way, since I'm a newbie, I have to ask: how does this build fares against a lot of early speedlings? Say they try and run by your wall, then they get reinforced by more speedlings. What should you do?
And one last question: how do you stop a baneling bust with this?

I'm asking that because every time a Zerg sees me Fast Expoing, he either roach-all-ins me or baneling busts me. I'm kinda tired of losing to Zergs >.>

On August 28 2011 07:13 Nyast wrote:
Dunno, I just lost to it, my first try, and he didn't over-react to my attack ( I even surprised him, had 5 zealots when he scouted only 2 ). He got his 3 first mutas by 8'30, and had 12 around 9'. In that game I only opened with early pressure and transitionned something else entirely ( stargates ), but timing wise he would have had 12 mutas on the field by the time my prism would have arrived in his base if I had followed your build. In the replay I noticed he rushed to mutas though, no useless zerglings, no defenses, nothing else.

That's why I believe this build is very dangerous: he sees you're only making zealots, so a natural reaction is to go fast mutas, because:

1. You'll be late on the stalkers count ( this is what happened to me when mutas arrived in my base, I warped stalkers but it was too late to prevent the harass, actually he snipped pylons and I couldn't keep my stalkers prod.. ).

2. If you're only making zealots, it implies you're teching to something else: either air ( which mutas counter ), or heavy robo ( which mutas counter ), so in both case mutas are a wise decision..

On August 28 2011 12:23 Noumena wrote:
I am not exactly sure what you mean by "don't have much tech/base defense." You should have a Twilight Council and a Robotics Facility, this allows you to transition into Blink Stalkers, Charge Zealots, Immortals, Templar, DTs, and Colossus. Pretty much you already have the Tier 2 to cover any tech into Tier 3. As far as losing your Warp Prism to queens or spores, then that is simply a fault in your micro, and really that's more of a mechanics issue than a build issue.



This pretty much says it all. You are spending minerals on Warp Prisms/Zealots, but not gas. Archons with +2 Weapons and +1 Armor will absolutely rip apart Hydras/Roaches. If you see he has a couple Roaches to clean up your Zealots, start making Immortals while you continue to harass. I'll upload a couple of replays and edit this post once I have them.

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On August 30 2011 00:01 Noumena wrote:
Pretty much what DrKillFace said is how you handle early all-in aggression. Use the Zealots to keep any ling/bling or roach at bay, and get as many free cannon shots off as you can. Don't be afraid to over produce , since they are all-in.

As for Typhon Peaks, I honestly don't play the map. However, I would suggest doing a standard 3 gate with whatever opening you'd like into Forge and then a Robotics. Continue as normal after that. You get slower upgrades sure, but you don't die. Seems like a reasonable tradeoff

Oh , and my name is in reference to the band.

On August 28 2011 05:50 Nyast wrote:
Cool, I particularly like the 2-gate zealots pressure, that's forcing a lot of lings from the Zerg and if you can surprise him, you can do tremendous damage with them.

As ffor the prisms, the idea is cool and it seems to work well but wouldn't it be an auto loss versus a Zerg that goes mutas ? Do you have any replay with mutas on 2 bases ? It sounds like they'd arrive at the same timing your harass starts.

On August 29 2011 23:52 Fall.182 wrote:


but can't mutas kite archons?

On August 29 2011 23:52 Fall.182 wrote:


but can't mutas kite archons?