EPTOn January 16 2012 02:47 Slomo wrote:
Where can I find the 1.3 "Pro" Protoss setup for download? There is no in skydrive.
Where can I find the 1.3 "Pro" Protoss setup for download? There is no in skydrive.
It's combined with Terran's.
[G] Darkgrid Layout - Page 10
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awakenx
United States341 Posts
It's combined with Terran's. | ||
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sondrizzle
Norway15 Posts
1. You have no documentation of sorts, the videos are a great explanation, but I still feel they are a bit lacking. Might just be me being horrible at picking up new stuff, but hey, something to consider  2. When you press Ctrl to add units to control groups and such, lifebars are not shown when Ctrl is pressed, and it is very annoying since it keep flashing the life bars which are highly distracting. 3. (I'm reasonably sure this is because of my non-American keyboard) The key next to one (`/~) doesn't work. For me it's bound to the key next to the period. While writing I decided to test this stuff out by changing my keyboard layout from Norwegian to English. Soeh, here is my non-edit edit: 1. N/A 2. Still happens. 3. Ironically this also does the same as pressing Ctrl for me. I wonder if this is because I switched keyboard layout mid-game, I'll double check. 1. N/A 2. Same thing. 3. Same. Uh, this is really funky. I downloaded your settings, double checked by deleting it and reloading it and all this. Still these weird "bugs". Does anybody have any idea why? Actual edit: So I removed the offending keybindings, and now it works great. However, I'm not sure why it didn't just do the normal thing. For me both "Show All Life Bars", "Show Your Life Bars" and "Show Enemy Life Bars" were bound to å, æ, | and Ctrl respectively. Weird. Third edit: So, I'm a bit confused as to why the base cams are organized the way they are. Right now, going QWE (first row) - ASD (second row) is by far faster than going QWD (first row) - ASF (second row), at least for me. Why do it this way? I do not see a good reason for it. Furthermore, my last method which was binding the Cycle Base Cam was bound to Caps Lock, which also feels a lot faster when simply cycling for Injects. However, the base cams are awesome for quickly looking at the bases it's bloody awesome. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
Layouts Updated! >Show all lifebars has been moved to ' >Basic Layout Removed >Pro Layout Renamed >Mouseless Pro Layout added and renamed >Based on player feedback, control groups are now bound differently. >>Fixed an issue where it was hard to reach the main army >>Made Caster bindings more efficient >>Removed dependence on a mechanic that Blizzard removed in the previous patch >>Calculated optimized bindings for separate production structures (instead of having all production on one key) for those who find it too hard to change. >Updated FAQ >Added Printer Friendly Layouts >Removed old layout downloads >Added new layout downloads to skydrive >Changed all naming from Optimus to Darkgrid (Since the mods never renamed the thread, I figured I'd just embrace it, ha ha ha) I want to get proper tutorial videos done, guys, I know you all want them. I've seen a specialist about my wrists, and the treatments seem to be helping! We'll see if the improvement continues. It's thanks to them that I was able to get these updates done. We'll just see what happens. As for those already playing 1.3, it's your choice whether you want to use the new unit bindings or not. They are more efficient, but it's not too extreme, so it's up to you. Please report any difficulties you find. @sondrizzle: Unfortunately, I cannot make layouts for every language keyboard, as getting tutorial videos out would probably be a better use of time. If you can get the layout to work for your keyboard by rebinding them, awesome, post the file and I'll added to the skydrive so others with your keyboard can download. The Ctrl causing lifebars to change was originally intended to help train users to quit using ctrl as the primary bind key, and instead switch to alt to reduce hand movement. As of version 1.3, this isn't really that helpful, so it needed to be removed. I just forgot/got used to it. It is fixed in the new layout downloads. As for the base cams, two reasons: 1) QWD is a bit more ergonomic than QWE, conforming to the natural arch of your hand, and 2) Inject is on E for zergs, and cannot have a camera key mapped over it. As for using base cam for inject, I used to, and so did Amaterasu, a masters Zerg player. Once he switched to the layered camera inject and had it practiced, he said it's faster and more accurate. Base cam is easier to learn, but does not provide the consistency (you always begin your injects at the same base), speed (you can inject six hatcheries in 1.3 seconds or less, which is almost impossible and wearing if you're trying to hit the same key that fast versus rolling your fingers like you do with the layered camera inject), and control (you can skip hatcheries where the queen died without slowing down). Hope that helps a bit? Good luck with the language keyboard issues. | ||
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sondrizzle
Norway15 Posts
No problem with the settings, all you really need is to mention that users with international keyboards probably should change their keyboard setting to use an English keyboard layout to correctly insure that the buttons corresponds to where they are actually placed on the keyboard, and do the following: 1. Open the Menu 2. Open Hotkeys 3. Go to Global -> Unit Management 4. Unbind all the Show Life Bar (four of them) 5. ???? 6. Profit! Granted, I have only tested this for myself, but it seems to to the trick for me. Also, with the updated and new settings this should be a non-issue. As with the inject, I think this is a matter of size of hands and flexibility. And furthermore, once you've pressed Shift + E you can move have a base bound to Alt + E, I just tried. So as long as you keep pressing Shift you can have the camera keys bound to literally anything it seems. I think this is because that holding Shift holds that spell/ability until Shift is released. Lastly, I think this is a matter of personal preference and how your own hands are. For me, my pointer finger automatically goes to E instead of D. It just flows better. I'm actually betting it has something to do with me playing piano, and a lot with pure instinct. In my mind it just makes more sense to go QWE instead of QWD, so I'll play around with it. Overall though, I really like it. Funny story: I've been playing with the Grid layout until now an on it making Zerglings is E, so my first test game when I decided to just win, I... made 76 larvae worth of goddamn Overlords instead of Zerglings. Hah, so glad it was not a ladder game. Edit: However, if you still want the slightly updated profile (which I have to emphasize is only tested for me!), here it is. | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
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sondrizzle
Norway15 Posts
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doggy
Germany306 Posts
a thing that makes me wonder is that no proplayers play with those or such keyboard adjustments (at least i know none). but in theory youre right, it should be more efficient. gonna try it out a bit | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 18 2012 18:53 doggy wrote: any real high masters or gms who tried this out? how much time will it need, to be 100% on the same level? i guess a lot more than 20-30 games if youre high enough. even though ive got some motivation because im used to click on the minimap a lot and furthermore i dont use camera hotkeys. a thing that makes me wonder is that no proplayers play with those or such keyboard adjustments (at least i know none). but in theory youre right, it should be more efficient. gonna try it out a bit I'd say your rank is irrelevant, how long you've used your setup however is. Regardless, breaking habits are always hard. It took me far more than 30 games to get as good at using darkgrid as using normal grid, but it's still not a big investment in time. Only playing a few hours in the afternoons, it took me about 3 days. First day, I went from not being able to do my opening on fast speed, to being able to win against medium computer on faster. Second day, I was back to beating GTAI on hard, so I was close to my original skill but had some issues controlling my army and sometimes had to think for a few seconds when doing something not too common. At the end of the third day, I felt more or less ready to ladder. It took me about 5 days before I felt it would feel akward going back to grid and I was sure I was playing better with darkgrid. Your mileage may vary, but if you play several games a day, there's no way it will take more than a week until you're completely accustomed to it. | ||
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doggy
Germany306 Posts
just my experience in the past with changing keys. i also think there is a reason that really many pros (e.g. zergs) still use very inefficient way to lets say inject. but - i really would like to know the hotkey setup of current topplayers, would be really interesting | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 19 2012 20:33 doggy wrote: Tbh, i cant really believe you guys speaking about 20-30 games needed to change. ive got like 3k-4k games so far, thats a lot. Just for example, a few months ago where i just did some very sligh hotkey adjustments (like other key for burrow, or just 1-2 more unitcontrolgrps), it took me days to get used to it. i would say, about 20-30 games at least. and still after 50 games - if youre in huge pressure you cant think what u need to type i still used the old hotkeys sometimes. its really about muscle memory, and that isnt changed after such a short time. just my experience in the past with changing keys. i also think there is a reason that really many pros (e.g. zergs) still use very inefficient way to lets say inject. but - i really would like to know the hotkey setup of current topplayers, would be really interesting It's a big difference between slight adjustments and a complete adjustment such as this. Your muscle memory doesn't kick in in the same way because you're not holding your hands in the same way and you're not doing the common movements your body is used to. While it's much much more to get used to, it definitely makes old habits less of an issue. | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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Amaterasu1234
United States317 Posts
On January 05 2012 20:45 FoxyMayhem wrote: Shift+t is a reach for you, Tobberoth? Hm. Well, You want to be able to reach your lings quickly, and you frequently have to add to that control group, so I suggest keeping the lings on R and placing the army on G. Also, I always place my scounting worker on 3. The 5 is for like overseers later on. Amaterasu has unbound Hold (W) and Move (Which was bound to M, so it's completely out of the way, he's just being ocd). I'm considering moving hold to A and moving patrol to W -- I often tell my overloard to stop when selecting between it and the hatch to make a new worker. Aside from that, I don't know if he's made more. Have you made some you haven't told me about, Ama? *suspicious eyes*  Wait wait...I unbound stop, 'cause it's totally useless for Z. I use hold all the time when I go mutas for the ez magic box. | ||
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Host-
New Zealand459 Posts
On January 20 2012 11:14 9-BiT wrote: I can't install this with mac, can someone help me a bit more? i found the folder, but it's a text file, and I can't find it in SC2 Have you got a skype or anything? I can walk you through it, but basically download the darkgrid setup you want to use. Then go to Library - Application Support - Blizzard - StarCraft2 - Accounts -########### - Hotkeys, then drag the file into the hotkeys section. Just make sure the file you have ends in .SC2Hotkeys. Then on SC2, log into your account, select Hotkeys, and it SHOULD be there. | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
And I have skype, if you think you could fix it i'll pm it to you. | ||
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FoxyMayhem
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
You're welcome Fencer. What race are you? I'm confident in the control group assignments of Protoss and Zerg, but I have to work with Terran more. | ||
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Host-
New Zealand459 Posts
On January 21 2012 00:45 9-BiT wrote: I have it in there, and it does end in .hotkeys, it's in the correct folder, doesn't appear though :/ Really excited to use darkgrid :D And I have skype, if you think you could fix it i'll pm it to you. It should end in .SC2Hotkeys - exactly like that. For me it's written as "Darkgrid 1-3b Zerg by FoxyMayhem.SC2Hotkeys " Have you used more than one account on your computer for SC2 because you could have put the hotkeys file into the wrong account. PM me your skype if it's still iffy, I live in Japan which is GMT+9, i'll be up for the next 6 hours or so. Edit: Ah! My darkgrid hotkey file wasn't popping up either, try changing the name to something like Darkgrid123, I think our macs may just not like the name..... | ||
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Raymano
Australia27 Posts
On January 21 2012 16:14 FoxyMayhem wrote: An interview with Ama is added at the top of the OP. It answers a lot of questions people have been having. You're welcome Fencer. What race are you? I'm confident in the control group assignments of Protoss and Zerg, but I have to work with Terran more. the link isnt working =( | ||
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