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Qiw
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden57 Posts
January 22 2012 19:23 GMT
#221
Am i the only one having problems getting the latest layout ingame? My game refuses to list it as a hotkey profile.. Any ideas?
besneeze
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2 Posts
January 22 2012 19:23 GMT
#222
On January 23 2012 03:39 Czarnodziej wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 09:58 FoxyMayhem wrote:
Resting on QWEF is essential to the layout.
For other plays, QWEF and the current hotkey layout is recommended.
You meant that u rest Your fingers on QWEF, pinky, index, middle, point ? Thats terribly awkward. Am I misunderstanding this?
I got fingers on AWF, pinky near shift and ctrl and thumb on space obviously. That feels natural.


From playing non-RTS games I have developed the position similar to yours where my left hand rests on SHIFT, A, W, D and SPACE. The ideal position for this layout is Q, W,E, F, SPACE if I'm not mistaken. This requires you're left hand to be at angle to the keyboard. I find this akward. So instead, I decided to keep using both DarkGrid and my hand positioning. I made one small change that I found suited my hand positioning quite a bit: I swapped Patrol and Attack (so that Attack is on A and patrol on Q). This just feels more natural to me.
_NIx_
Profile Joined June 2011
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 22:59:14
January 22 2012 22:59 GMT
#223
Can someone tell me what benefits (if any) I will have from using the layout, and how quickly they should occur? I'm currently feeling very comfortable in my play, but I can't find a way to work in camera hotkeys with my keyboard's distances to the F keys.

So, have any Protoss players switched cold-turkey to this layout, and if so, was it worth it? I want to be more efficient in my play, but I'm not convinced this is worth it.
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
January 22 2012 23:18 GMT
#224
The interview at the start covers it. Basically speed, using more controls effectively (better mechanics), and ergonomic. Just a LOT of those 3 things, not a little.
Czarnodziej
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland624 Posts
January 23 2012 00:00 GMT
#225
On January 23 2012 04:23 besneeze wrote:
The ideal position for this layout is Q, W,E, F, SPACE if I'm not mistaken.


Isn't it little counterproductive? I tried it and pressing ctrl + any other key led me to twisting my whole hand to the side.
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
January 23 2012 00:22 GMT
#226
I need to make a video about that, to show how it's done >.<. That's the next objective!
_NIx_
Profile Joined June 2011
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 01:06:28
January 23 2012 00:40 GMT
#227
But for now, how do you hold your hand?

Another thing, how do I set my nexus hotkey? I tried ctrl-mouse buttons but it didn't work

Edit again: Is my warpin key supposed to be Y?
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
January 23 2012 02:03 GMT
#228
Hand rests on the keyboard tipped inward at about 3-8 degrees.

Your mouse buttons need to be set to produce O and P when pressed, or you need to manually rebind the hotkey layout to your mouse.

Warpin is not really used, unfortunately. I couldn't really find a way to work it in effectively, everything is already so shoved together. Perhaps if there's a 1.4.
besneeze
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2 Posts
January 23 2012 03:42 GMT
#229
On January 23 2012 09:00 Czarnodziej wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 04:23 besneeze wrote:
The ideal position for this layout is Q, W,E, F, SPACE if I'm not mistaken.


Isn't it little counterproductive? I tried it and pressing ctrl + any other key led me to twisting my whole hand to the side.


I believe you are supposed to press the CTRL key without using any fingers. Use the corner of your palm (not your pinky) to hit CTRL.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
January 23 2012 04:01 GMT
#230
Do any pros use this?
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 05:39:42
January 23 2012 05:39 GMT
#231
I have a problem with this setup technically; Ctrl+alt+S/D/F will not work to create camera locations.
It works fine with Ctrl+alt+Q/W/A, but not Ctrl+alt+S/D/F. I have tried re-binding, making them alternate or not alternate, but to no avail. Is there a fix for this? I prefer using Ctrl+alt+[letter] instead of Ctrl+shift+[letter] or Shift+alt+[letter].
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FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 08:06:14
January 23 2012 08:05 GMT
#232
Sounds like a hardware issue, Fencer. What keyboard do you have?

No pros have told me they used this layout, but it was only recently introduce to the SCII scene, and switching is hardest for pros.

Besneeze, I don't do that, but that's also effective.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 23 2012 08:20 GMT
#233
On January 23 2012 09:00 Czarnodziej wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 04:23 besneeze wrote:
The ideal position for this layout is Q, W,E, F, SPACE if I'm not mistaken.


Isn't it little counterproductive? I tried it and pressing ctrl + any other key led me to twisting my whole hand to the side.

Well, it's actually not that uncommon in RTS to play with the hand tilted. A way of making it easier is to tip the actual keyboard so you don't have to tilt your hand all that much. Also, with darkgrid, you shouldn't use ctrl all that much, it has binds to create controlgroups with alt, so alt+g creates a control group on g, same as ctrl+g. Using alt with this setup is way easier, but harder to get used to.

As for the question on pros, I mentioned darkgrid on Snutes channel and he said he finds it interesting. He's not using it though ^^
Czarnodziej
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland624 Posts
January 23 2012 09:38 GMT
#234
On January 23 2012 17:20 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 09:00 Czarnodziej wrote:
On January 23 2012 04:23 besneeze wrote:
The ideal position for this layout is Q, W,E, F, SPACE if I'm not mistaken.


Isn't it little counterproductive? I tried it and pressing ctrl + any other key led me to twisting my whole hand to the side.

Well, it's actually not that uncommon in RTS to play with the hand tilted. A way of making it easier is to tip the actual keyboard so you don't have to tilt your hand all that much. Also, with darkgrid, you shouldn't use ctrl all that much, it has binds to create controlgroups with alt, so alt+g creates a control group on g, same as ctrl+g. Using alt with this setup is way easier, but harder to get used to.

As for the question on pros, I mentioned darkgrid on Snutes channel and he said he finds it interesting. He's not using it though ^^



Alt + space is not a good idea mechanically.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 23 2012 09:42 GMT
#235
On January 23 2012 18:38 Czarnodziej wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 17:20 Tobberoth wrote:
On January 23 2012 09:00 Czarnodziej wrote:
On January 23 2012 04:23 besneeze wrote:
The ideal position for this layout is Q, W,E, F, SPACE if I'm not mistaken.


Isn't it little counterproductive? I tried it and pressing ctrl + any other key led me to twisting my whole hand to the side.

Well, it's actually not that uncommon in RTS to play with the hand tilted. A way of making it easier is to tip the actual keyboard so you don't have to tilt your hand all that much. Also, with darkgrid, you shouldn't use ctrl all that much, it has binds to create controlgroups with alt, so alt+g creates a control group on g, same as ctrl+g. Using alt with this setup is way easier, but harder to get used to.

As for the question on pros, I mentioned darkgrid on Snutes channel and he said he finds it interesting. He's not using it though ^^



Alt + space is not a good idea mechanically.

True, toss setup isn't really optimal in this case. Then again, creating a control group is something you do very seldomly, most of the time you'll be using shift anyway.
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
January 23 2012 15:13 GMT
#236
I sent a pm, so you might want to check your inbox :D
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Dright
Profile Joined April 2011
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 18:46:59
January 23 2012 18:40 GMT
#237
I'm a platinum toss and I've also created a hotkey setup that works better for me that standard. I won't be switching, but I do have experience with cold turkeying into new setups.

I got mad at zero for being so far away, so I put my control groups on qwert-asdfg to make controlling my army more like touch typing, with unit controls being zxcvb, and spells/units/new buildings being 123456y(plus hnjm for terran).

I prefer it because my hand's base is on asdf, just like it is in typing. I do the same thing for fps and rpgs, moving wasd to esdf so it's more natural.

It usually takes me (there was an intermediate and terrible set of hotkeys I used for a while) about a week to get used to them enough to play, and it's taken maybe three months to no longer need to glance at the keyboard to find keys.

I've never looked back.

If you haven't already made your own setup, learn to use this one, and if you have any qualms with it, change it to your desires! You'll be a better player for it.

EDIT: I moved tab over to alt so that I could use it for warpgate, but now on inspiration from this setup I think I'll move what is now on alt over to tilde so I can use alt as a the modifier key it's meant to be and put base cams on the same keys as my control groups =D
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
January 24 2012 04:07 GMT
#238
On January 23 2012 17:05 FoxyMayhem wrote:
Sounds like a hardware issue, Fencer. What keyboard do you have?

No pros have told me they used this layout, but it was only recently introduce to the SCII scene, and switching is hardest for pros.

Besneeze, I don't do that, but that's also effective.

I use Logitech's G110 Keyboard.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Grimmid
Profile Joined October 2011
Romania4 Posts
January 25 2012 19:57 GMT
#239
I'm not a terran player but what's mean "Depot Joe" from mouse button 4? Thanks.
Sennin
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium50 Posts
January 25 2012 20:33 GMT
#240
[Zerg]I really want to use this layout since it seems to eliminate my problem with the camera hotkeys (hand stretch wise). But I use a AZERTY keyboard. So I'll need to go through the layouts and change it all a bit. I'll update you with my progress on it and maybe (if you want) I can give you the AZERTY layout.
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