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On August 11 2012 18:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
Hi,
I have decided to retrain myself fully to play properly (using day9 daily #360 mental checklist and training exercises). This means i have had to fully change my hotkey setup and i have a quick question. Just FYI i used to use 1CCs 2raxs 3facts 4 SPs 5army.
I am now using 123army 4CCs 5rax 6fact 7SPs.
I am struggling with missing the factory and starport keys very often and it doesn't feel comfortable, but i need 3 keys for army instead of using just one, which i used to do.
Is it normal that it should feel this awkward, or should i change the hotkey setup to something easier on the hand (maybe using tab and ` as hotkeys).
I know people will say do whatever you feel is best, but whenever i see pros play probably over 50% use the setup above, it must be preferred for some reason.
thanks
btw. i am in gold, i hit a wall where i can't beat high gold or platinum players regularly at all so that's why i'm doing this..
It's NEVER bad to have at least 2 hotkeys for units. It helps a lot really. However why do you change all the hotkeys ?
Tbh you don't have to especially if you don't mind to add another army's hotkey (i.e 6) . And if you have a lot of troubles reaching that key then maybe put another different building on your first 3 to save the 4's hotkey ?
I know ton of good ppl using your hotkey's layout, and i dare to say it again, there's nothing wrong about it.
Hell i think I'd be really happy if I could get used to it when playing terran... Unfortunately it's really hard to get rid of the 5's hotkey for the main building...
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What's a good general unit composition against in TvT?
How do you deal with HTs in TvP if you scouted archives late and have no ghosts?
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On August 13 2012 11:05 Argoneus wrote:
What's a good general unit composition against in TvT?
How do you deal with HTs in TvP if you scouted archives late and have no ghosts?
Marine tank medivac is a nice safe standard.
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Hey, I have taken oh.. a good break from SC2. I stopped playing when the BW pro's started doing SC2 and BW.. so a few months ago? I'm wanting to get back into it. I play Terran, but I'm wondering. What builds do Terrans go for now adays. Also what are the popular PvT and ZvT builds right now?
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On August 13 2012 12:46 OxyFuel wrote:
Hey, I have taken oh.. a good break from SC2. I stopped playing when the BW pro's started doing SC2 and BW.. so a few months ago? I'm wanting to get back into it. I play Terran, but I'm wondering. What builds do Terrans go for now adays. Also what are the popular PvT and ZvT builds right now?
Build are pretty much the same. TvT is still TvT, TvP you either 2 rax, 2-1-1 or the standard 1 rax CC into 3 barrack play with your medivac timing. TvZ: probably the best(?) and most standard build is the 14CC/1 rax into hellion banshee & double ebay opening.
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On August 13 2012 11:05 Argoneus wrote:
What's a good general unit composition against in TvT?
Marines/Tanks/Medivacs or Hellions/Tanks/Vikings (mech).
On August 13 2012 11:05 Argoneus wrote:
How do you deal with HTs in TvP if you scouted archives late and have no ghosts?
Well, this situation only matters if you're being attacked before you have time to get Ghosts, so can you be more specific? Maybe you're referring to 2-bases Storm attacks?
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On August 13 2012 11:05 Argoneus wrote:
What's a good general unit composition against in TvT?
How do you deal with HTs in TvP if you scouted archives late and have no ghosts?
Tank/hellion/viking + thor/banshee -> tank/thor/viking/raven/bc + ghost
Best solution is to not make the mistake of having no ghost acad when protoss has storm. You can do this by scouting or by planning your ghost acad timing within your build. Starting it between 10 and 11 minutes is a good time. If he's storm before colos you should have them out in time, and if he's colos first you'll have moebius reactor done well in advance of 14, when he should have storm out by.
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On August 13 2012 13:08 Nightmarjoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:05 Argoneus wrote:
What's a good general unit composition against in TvT?
How do you deal with HTs in TvP if you scouted archives late and have no ghosts? Tank/hellion/viking + thor/banshee -> tank/thor/viking/raven/bc + ghost Best solution is to not make the mistake of having no ghost acad when protoss has storm. You can do this by scouting or by planning your ghost acad timing within your build. Starting it between 10 and 11 minutes is a good time. If he's storm before colos you should have them out in time, and if he's colos first you'll have moebius reactor done well in advance of 14, when he should have storm out by.
Another thing to do is if you are constantly pressuring...go off charge. Figure charge upgrade time, even with chrono, they probably put down a Temp archives. Just get ready to get ghosts upon seeing charge.
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On August 06 2012 04:06 iAmJeffReY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 04:01 v0lk wrote:
Hi ! can anybody help me about TvT ? i know many builds againsts Protoss and Zergs, but when it comes to TvT, i cant seem to realize what to do :S i just fast expo wich works against every race, and do the well known 1/1/1 banshee but i dont like that build too much. any ideas ?
Thanks in advance. 15 gas 2 marine reactor FE Reaper-hellion elevator 2 rax reaper hellion all in 12/14 double rax 5 reaper -> 5 rax bio after FE Gas first banshee hellion marine gas first double reactor marine hellion 2 medic drop CC first into 1-1-1 CC first into 2 rax -> 2 gas -> 3rd rax normal 3 rax 1 fac 1 port play Proxy reaper (ohana) Proxy marauder Gas first banshee FE Reaper FE into 3 rax bio 3 reaper FE There are a slew of openings I know that I use commonly. Just ask about whichever you're interested in, and I shall type out a better BO and post a replay if I have it
Could anyone give me a list of builds like the one above for TvP?
I know quite a few but sometimes it's a good idea to have a list to remind yourself of ones you've not used a lot.
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How the hell do you deal with the rallied zealots when you play vs toss and go 1rax expo? They just bypass the bunker, or arrive 5-10 sec earlier than it is complete, and just massacre my marines. Not only that, but pulling SCVs = major losses, due to only having 1 marine. when he gets 2 zealots, it's almost game.
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On August 14 2012 00:44 Wintex wrote:
How the hell do you deal with the rallied zealots when you play vs toss and go 1rax expo? They just bypass the bunker, or arrive 5-10 sec earlier than it is complete, and just massacre my marines. Not only that, but pulling SCVs = major losses, due to only having 1 marine. when he gets 2 zealots, it's almost game.
Because you are saying that you only have 1 marine at that time i think ou are doing the 16 CC and skipping additional marines. To defend this it depends on your micro and your bunker placement. If you could post a replay we could get better insight of the situation, because there are some informations missing. You mentions"zealots", so that means they are comming one after another? How many? Does he use chronoboost on his gateway? Do you wallin your ramp?
If you wallin your ramp and place your bunker near your CC defending the zealot pressure with 1-2 scvs and a bit of micro until the bunker is finished should deal with it easily. Even if you loose 2 scvs the loss isn´t that big of a deal because you have double mules and if he sends additonal zealots his nexus will be later than usual. However this is all theoriecrafting. Just post a replay and you can get specific advise.
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On August 14 2012 00:44 Wintex wrote:
How the hell do you deal with the rallied zealots when you play vs toss and go 1rax expo? They just bypass the bunker, or arrive 5-10 sec earlier than it is complete, and just massacre my marines. Not only that, but pulling SCVs = major losses, due to only having 1 marine. when he gets 2 zealots, it's almost game.
well you should have more than 1 marine so...
if you're having trouble with early zealots, you need better micro. simple as that. if you're somehow having only 1-2 marines to deal with a zealot, you can pull scvs and use a hold position micro to block them. or micro the damaged scvs out and repeat
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On August 13 2012 22:53 Kamwah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 04:06 iAmJeffReY wrote:On August 06 2012 04:01 v0lk wrote:
Hi ! can anybody help me about TvT ? i know many builds againsts Protoss and Zergs, but when it comes to TvT, i cant seem to realize what to do :S i just fast expo wich works against every race, and do the well known 1/1/1 banshee but i dont like that build too much. any ideas ?
Thanks in advance. 15 gas 2 marine reactor FE Reaper-hellion elevator 2 rax reaper hellion all in 12/14 double rax 5 reaper -> 5 rax bio after FE Gas first banshee hellion marine gas first double reactor marine hellion 2 medic drop CC first into 1-1-1 CC first into 2 rax -> 2 gas -> 3rd rax normal 3 rax 1 fac 1 port play Proxy reaper (ohana) Proxy marauder Gas first banshee FE Reaper FE into 3 rax bio 3 reaper FE There are a slew of openings I know that I use commonly. Just ask about whichever you're interested in, and I shall type out a better BO and post a replay if I have it Could anyone give me a list of builds like the one above for TvP? I know quite a few but sometimes it's a good idea to have a list to remind yourself of ones you've not used a lot.
i can give it a try!
FE:
14CC 2rax
1rax FE - 3rax into port
1rax FE - 2rax into tanks fast third/ups
1rax FE - 5rax no gas
Pressure:
Gas 1st 6hellion/medivac (Byun semi)
1-1-1 7marine drop + 3hellions (Hack in general)
1-1-1 hellion drop (often proxied)
3 rax - CC
2 rax conc
All ins:
1-1-1, any variations (cloack/raven/raxes) or just transitionning from one of the pressure builds mentionned
2-1-1 (Byun ro32): a fake 2rax with stim instead of conc into 1-1-1
11/11 (Keen <3): proxied ofc
3raxes (oldschool, might work against greedy opponents).
Compositions:
standard bio
MMM + tank (Byun vs Genius/Seed)
marine/thor/banshee
mech (Hack <3, lots of hellions + early ghosts)
i might do a compendium for this lol since I remember quite a lot of useful replays/vods.
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[QUOTE]On August 13 2012 09:24 RaiZ wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 11 2012 18:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
Hi,
I have decided to retrain myself fully to play properly (using day9 daily #360 mental checklist and training exercises). This means i have had to fully change my hotkey setup and i have a quick question. Just FYI i used to use 1CCs 2raxs 3facts 4 SPs 5army.
I am now using 123army 4CCs 5rax 6fact 7SPs.
I am struggling with missing the factory and starport keys very often and it doesn't feel comfortable, but i need 3 keys for army instead of using just one, which i used to do.
Is it normal that it should feel this awkward, or should i change the hotkey setup to something easier on the hand (maybe using tab and ` as hotkeys).
I know people will say do whatever you feel is best, but whenever i see pros play probably over 50% use the setup above, it must be preferred for some reason.
thanks
btw. i am in gold, i hit a wall where i can't beat high gold or platinum players regularly at all so that's why i'm doing this...[/QUOTE]
I like it, it's the same hotkey layout I use. The only addition I have is Ebays on 0 and tech labs on 9 (haven't really found a good use for 8...techlab on SP?). I have 3 separate hand positions, 123+124, 567, and 890 with thumb on CTRL; I just practiced shifting between these 3 positions with the keyboard unplugged until I became comfortable with the leap.
Only additional things to add to that are camera locations F1-F6. I also am now rebinding F8 as Spacebar for my rally.
Just practice with it and eventually you'll get comfortable. If you find any particular problems, just think about rebinding keys to closer keys such as tab or the "y-h-b" column or something. You don't have to change the ENTIRE SETUP to try to use everything available to you.
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On August 14 2012 00:44 Wintex wrote:
How the hell do you deal with the rallied zealots when you play vs toss and go 1rax expo? They just bypass the bunker, or arrive 5-10 sec earlier than it is complete, and just massacre my marines. Not only that, but pulling SCVs = major losses, due to only having 1 marine. when he gets 2 zealots, it's almost game.
What I do is just wall off my natural ramp with 3 supply depots asap or do a depot/rax/depot wall. Make sure you scout if the zealot is being chronoed early and respond by building an earlier bunker. From that point, all you need is 2 marines to deal with a zealot.
If you're having issues with zealots running into your natural mineral line, consider transferring less SCVs or just have your SCVs run around. I think the key is to make sure you still have the macro ability to make 2-4 additional barracks and continue building marines and SCVs while doing all this crazy junk. I'm 90% certain without even seeing a replay that the real problem is your macro slipping.
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On August 14 2012 08:01 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 22:53 Kamwah wrote:On August 06 2012 04:06 iAmJeffReY wrote:On August 06 2012 04:01 v0lk wrote:
Hi ! can anybody help me about TvT ? i know many builds againsts Protoss and Zergs, but when it comes to TvT, i cant seem to realize what to do :S i just fast expo wich works against every race, and do the well known 1/1/1 banshee but i dont like that build too much. any ideas ?
Thanks in advance. 15 gas 2 marine reactor FE Reaper-hellion elevator 2 rax reaper hellion all in 12/14 double rax 5 reaper -> 5 rax bio after FE Gas first banshee hellion marine gas first double reactor marine hellion 2 medic drop CC first into 1-1-1 CC first into 2 rax -> 2 gas -> 3rd rax normal 3 rax 1 fac 1 port play Proxy reaper (ohana) Proxy marauder Gas first banshee FE Reaper FE into 3 rax bio 3 reaper FE There are a slew of openings I know that I use commonly. Just ask about whichever you're interested in, and I shall type out a better BO and post a replay if I have it Could anyone give me a list of builds like the one above for TvP? I know quite a few but sometimes it's a good idea to have a list to remind yourself of ones you've not used a lot. i can give it a try! FE: 14CC 2rax 1rax FE - 3rax into port 1rax FE - 2rax into tanks fast third/ups 1rax FE - 5rax no gas Pressure: Gas 1st 6hellion/medivac (Byun semi) 1-1-1 7marine drop + 3hellions (Hack in general) 1-1-1 hellion drop (often proxied) 3 rax - CC 2 rax conc All ins: 1-1-1, any variations (cloack/raven/raxes) or just transitionning from one of the pressure builds mentionned 2-1-1 (Byun ro32): a fake 2rax with stim instead of conc into 1-1-1 11/11 (Keen <3): proxied ofc 3raxes (oldschool, might work against greedy opponents). Compositions: standard bio MMM + tank (Byun vs Genius/Seed) marine/thor/banshee mech (Hack <3, lots of hellions + early ghosts) i might do a compendium for this lol since I remember quite a lot of useful replays/vods.
Thanks! It's always a good feeling that you know how to pull off builds you haven't done before just cos you're gosu XD
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Does anybody have replays of a bio player winning vs mech by using nukes to force unsiege? Been searching ages but cannot find any.... 
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On August 14 2012 19:59 dynwar7 wrote:Does anybody have replays of a bio player winning vs mech by using nukes to force unsiege? Been searching ages but cannot find any....
Why would you need one? It's not really something that explains anything by seeing it.
What are you trying to understand about it?
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How many workers should i have per patch? I'm in masters but i don't even know it..
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On August 14 2012 20:37 Kamwah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 19:59 dynwar7 wrote:Does anybody have replays of a bio player winning vs mech by using nukes to force unsiege? Been searching ages but cannot find any.... Why would you need one? It's not really something that explains anything by seeing it. What are you trying to understand about it?
Jst want to see and learn, people have different ways of learning, I will learn a lot by simply watching games.
So, anybody has any?
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