The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 279

On June 27 2012 04:01 Phays wrote:
Hello TL

Lately I have staggered onto the problem with mech TvZ that I simply cant win
lategame unless I am on more bases than the zerg.

Replay here, its vs a mid/highmaster zerg.
http://drop.sc/208364

In this certain game I had killed 50drones at the 16min mark.
I was really unlucky with the first big engagement, 2/2 finished right after.


One big problem I have is playing cost efficient enough lategame,
I should make more ravens and possibly more tanks atleast
if he use alot of corruptors(my banshees cant snipe infestors).

Can you please just give me some tips what I need to do to improve my TvZ winrate?
I know my macro could have been better.

On June 27 2012 06:04 Starshaped wrote:


Mech isn't viable in TvZ at the moment, and this is coming from a high master mecher. You're having problems playing cost-efficiently because there is no way to be cost-efficient against Zerg at any point in the game.

The way I approach TvZ these days is to turtle up hard and defend all game and hope my opponent disconnects or makes huge mistakes like clumping his army vs missiles, letting me use missiles (fungal outranges it, so in theory ravens should never ever work) or hope to land a nuke on his entire army.

Good luck.

On June 27 2012 06:13 Phays wrote:


wow, you nailed it..

But you mean bio is more viable? Ya maybe if you are polt or mkp..

On June 27 2012 06:19 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Okay starshaped, just get out of here seriously. All you do is rage about TvZ, and it's getting old. This is a help me thread, not a whine all day thread.

On June 27 2012 06:29 silentdecay01 wrote:
Mech is very viable in tvz......please leave Tl ur a troll and should be banned.

Mech in tvz is prob the most viable out of all the matches up.

On June 27 2012 06:38 Starshaped wrote:


Yeah, bio works if you have amazing micro. I say 'works' but really, nothing is working at the moment. But unless you are stubborn about going mech (as I am) then I would definitely recommend bio or even marine/tank oldschool style over mech.

personally, I've been experimenting with 15cc into 2port banshee with reactor fac and reactor rax and go all-in with SCVs afer harassing with 4 banshees. It's gimmicky, sure, but it's won me the most TvZs in a long time. I'm still working on it, though.




He asked about mech TvZ and I, as an experienced high-level mecher, responded. I'm sorry if you think I came off to blunt or was too honest, but I'm simply explaining the situation. I don't recomend anyone to mech, and every Zerg I talk to about the matchup will tell you the same thing: mech is the worst way to go.

If you have some magical way to mech TvZ, then go ahead and enlighten us. Otherwise, don't tell me I'm 'raging' or 'whining'. I'm being honest and serious to the best of my ability, and I think my history in this thread shows that.



Oh, I should be banned for voicing my opinion, of which I have countless high-master mech games in every matchup to back me up?

I would go so far as to say mech TvP is A LOT more viable than mech TvZ, of course with mech TvT being by far the best of all matchups.

On June 27 2012 07:34 zezamer wrote:
hey iAmJeffReY, do you remember on which page your post about demu build is, the post with reps, bo etc ?

On June 27 2012 07:06 iAmJeffReY wrote:

Here's an idea. Learn a different style other than mech. I'm still winning, or putting up very good games against zerg going bio/mech with marine marauder hellion and just multitasking and aggression. Demuslim push dude, how many times do I say it in this thread. It sets you up SO sickly for a nice bio opening. Don't stick to one style if it isn't winning. Maybe constant mech isn't viable the way you're doing it -- I still see a lot of terrans EZing zerg with mech.

On June 27 2012 07:06 iAmJeffReY wrote:

Here's an idea. Learn a different style other than mech. I'm still winning, or putting up very good games against zerg going bio/mech with marine marauder hellion and just multitasking and aggression. Demuslim push dude, how many times do I say it in this thread. It sets you up SO sickly for a nice bio opening. Don't stick to one style if it isn't winning. Maybe constant mech isn't viable the way you're doing it -- I still see a lot of terrans EZing zerg with mech.

On June 27 2012 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:


Jeffrey is right as usual. For what it's worth, as recently as a few hours ago, Mech TvZ was still viable in Code A (link), so I doubt anyone in this thread has hit the skill level where it doesn't work. If you find mech isn't working for your personally, that's fine-- but don't say it can't work, and don't clog up this thread with whining. Ask for help, answer questions, and provide strategic insight! It's more fun, I promise.

On June 27 2012 09:20 iAmJeffReY wrote:
He's mentioned because it's his build I used as a skeleton to craft an opening that works wonders for me.


It's just this is a help thread. People will bandwagon on the 'we can't win the game is broken' crap, instead of trying to better themselves. If people can win at the level above us, assuming we are the same level (~ same points last season 20 or so off) then there's really just something wrong with our execution. I'm a huge TvZ rager, but I try my best to hide it. I was at about 65-70% TvZ before that OL/Queen buff. Now I'm down to ~57%. I'm losing to scrubby zerg players I was previously like 3-0 or 4-1 against on ladder/practice, now they are stomping me unless I seriously out micro and multitask them.

You just need to take a breath. It's very frustrating for us at our level, I agree. It's a bitch because zerg is easy to copy tactics, as mostly it's all reactionary and no 'micro'. Terran is all micro. What separates us from pro players? Probably our macro/micro.

There are other options, we just have to work it out. Just try to keep the rage out of here. I know your pain, and I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou. Just trying to keep you from getting in trouble from the raging, and telling lesser players how impossible something is. Most people asking for help are WAY below our level or play, so there is something we can help with them.