The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 169

On March 05 2012 22:42 Huggerz wrote:
Second supply depot before CC to allow constant marine & SCV production. Fake bunker rush, cancel immediately if it's obvious he knows it's happening and has drones there to attack SCV - start CC on low ground unless you haven't vetoed Metalopolis or something.

3 more racks at 20-24 supply
2 refineries
IDEALLY start third CC ASAP from this point but delay it for safety if you scout him mining more than 100 gas or tech beyond pool
Get stim started

At this point consider moving out with marines to try force him to make units - scan natural or main if unsure about safety.
Get Factory and 2 Engineering Bays, normally in that order - on a lot of maps you kind of need tanks to secure third.
Get Reactors on racks ASAP - don't need to build all at once.
Obvious stuff like turrets blah blah blah, scout regularly for bases and tech and deny him Xel'Naga towers as much as possible.

Normally start tank production from Factory and start Starport to switch onto one of the racks with a Reactor.
As soon as first 2 medivacs are out drop him in two places - at this point you should know where his third is, so drop there and his main. Persist with drops unless he is massing mutalisks.

Typically be adding extra production facilities from 12-14 minute mark onwards and ensure you begin to set up more expansions. Make absolutely sure you get +1 vehicle weapons

Ultimately ::: push at 2-2 with at least one drop going - generally 3-5 tanks and 75+ marines
Make sure you expand at least once behind this. If you do not kill him, make sure you kill as many hatcheries as you can (pay attention to drops) without losing all your units. You should 100% drop his main while pushing, to find and (hopefully) kill his spire or ultralisk den if he has one.
If you cripple him enough then you can just continue with marine tank, and continue expanding.

If he gets hive tech out with infestors, lings etc. then transition to battlecruisers or ravens and keep dropping.



Please note: this build is light on tanks for a long time so practice marine splitting. Infestor play is very popular but as long as you control well, force him to defend 2 drops regularly, and macro like your imaginary Korean father is watching, having a shit load of upgraded marines is very very strong against infestor ling

So instead of improving you want to actually stick with that 2 - base timing attack style?...

There's no fix strategies we could name that would work on every map against every strategy.

On March 05 2012 21:02 Huggerz wrote:
I 1 rax FE all the time against Zergs and defend all sorts of baneling / roach ling busts, it's only early baneling all ins which really counter it reliably or cripple SCV count to such an extent that I end up behind. Obviously, it depends on your build after CC (i.e. do you have enough marines, and/or do you have tanks or hellions), wall-in use and unit splits. Should get at least 2 bunkers if you scout enough to anticipate 2 base aggression from a Zerg even if you mech

On March 05 2012 15:19 Lazerlike42 wrote:


Not sure about this either but I have recently started doing a gasless expand against Zerg and I frankly like it much more than the reactored hellion expand, which I just think has been more than figured out at this point. It seems to me a Zerg can choose to either defend it easily or even outright kill you with early roaches. The reactored hellion expand just powers up too late with non-hellion units for my taste.

I like to gasless expand and then immediately after dropping the CC, the next 150 minerals goes into two refineries and I go straight for siege tech. I'll have a natural defended with 2 - 3 sieged tanks and the production off of 3 rax in marines with combat shield on the way before any 2 base bust timing comes. I also feel far, far safer against the possibility of heavy roach pressure which the reactored hellion expand seems to just open itself too. Had much success early game with this so far and almost always go into the late game with this build.

On March 06 2012 03:49 Smackzilla wrote:


So how are you scouting it? I'm thinking specifically where the zerg does a pretty standard 2-base opener. Seems like my hellions might come out a little too late to give me warning. A scan is not guaranteed to catch a baneling nest. Do you scan for gas? Hide your first scv and try and suicide at a later timing? Again, I'm just not sure about the method for scouting such a thing off a normal 2-base zerg.

On March 04 2012 19:14 jabberjaw wrote:
^i have some replays where I do jjajki's thor/marine/banshee 2 base push. though, im only 950 pt master, so my execution isn't going to be great, ofc. but there are VODs (no repalys, but its something at least) of jjakji using it and beastyqt's variant of it as well.

jjakji vs ace; 34:00 mark
http://www.twitch.tv/fxopenesports/b/306209855

jjakji vs yonghwa
http://www.youtube.com/user/KatuStarcraft?ob=0#p/search/0/eZ7mF23AfOU

beastyqt vs classicprime

On March 05 2012 21:28 hotsuma wrote:
Hi everyone.
I am a high diamond player, having a lot of trouble in TvZ, I am completely lost against hatch first into mass ling infestor.
I cant scout properly, and dont know when I can engage, deny his tird, that kind of thing.
When I see his getting his fast third, I try to deny it, but most of times I deny and lose all my army, it only works fine whe the z is playing really greedy and have a poor vision of the map with his overlords.
THe lack of map control because of a ton of lings make me play blind, I cant say if a timming atack is coming, or a bling burst.
If someone send me some replays or give me some advices I will apreciate.
Sry to bother you guys, and for my english.
Ty in advance.

On March 06 2012 02:41 Type|NarutO wrote:


So instead of improving you want to actually stick with that 2 - base timing attack style?... There's no fix strategies we could name that would work on every map against every strategy. Starcraft 2 is a game of incomplete information and you need to react to what your opponent is doing not blindly stick with your stuff.

So how are you scouting it? I'm thinking specifically where the zerg does a pretty standard 2-base opener. Seems like my hellions might come out a little too late to give me warning. A scan is not guaranteed to catch a baneling nest. Do you scan for gas? Hide your first scv and try and suicide at a later timing? Again, I'm just not sure about the method for scouting such a thing off a normal 2-base zerg.

When I play more than 3 bases I feel that I always lose games (usually because of AoE spells), and when I play one or two base I steamroll my opponents.
So my terran friends - please tell me some imba 1-2 base VIABLE strategies / timing attacks for every matchup that can guarantte me doing big damage to my enemies.

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