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kuruptt
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada168 Posts
February 14 2013 23:48 GMT
#8481
What should had I done in this game? I am having a lot of trouble against 2 barracks push. Should I not be making an expansion at all? I thought the mc 1 gate FE was a safe opening against this? I scouted his 2 barracks but still failed to hold it. Tips?

http://drop.sc/304707
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
February 15 2013 01:36 GMT
#8482
On February 15 2013 08:21 Teoita wrote:
Any half decent master player will beat people in diamond and below doing pretty much anything.

I completely understand the concept, but this stretches it for me Diamond players have decent execution and macro. I don't think mass sentry would work vs them
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
February 15 2013 03:18 GMT
#8483
On February 15 2013 10:36 Gumbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:21 Teoita wrote:
Any half decent master player will beat people in diamond and below doing pretty much anything.

I completely understand the concept, but this stretches it for me Diamond players have decent execution and macro. I don't think mass sentry would work vs them


just ask bisu....
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
JCKE
Profile Joined July 2008
United States52 Posts
February 15 2013 05:29 GMT
#8484
On February 15 2013 08:48 kuruptt wrote:
What should had I done in this game? I am having a lot of trouble against 2 barracks push. Should I not be making an expansion at all? I thought the mc 1 gate FE was a safe opening against this? I scouted his 2 barracks but still failed to hold it. Tips?

http://drop.sc/304707


I don't think you did MC's 1gate FE build. Looked like a 3gate build to me. Expo was late, robo was late, and some of your probe production was off.

I think you can hold against it if you had some more sentries (to FF trap) and 1-2 immortals.
Grandmaster Protoss || www.twitch.tv/hartacus || http://sc2ranks.com/us/2551547/JCKE
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
February 15 2013 06:15 GMT
#8485
thx for this
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 15 2013 08:35 GMT
#8486
On February 15 2013 08:21 Teoita wrote:
Any half decent master player will beat people in diamond and below doing pretty much anything.


To be fair I did beat a former korean GM terran with a proxy 4gate vs 3 CC, rofl

Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
kuruptt
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada168 Posts
February 15 2013 10:03 GMT
#8487
On February 15 2013 14:29 JCKE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:48 kuruptt wrote:
What should had I done in this game? I am having a lot of trouble against 2 barracks push. Should I not be making an expansion at all? I thought the mc 1 gate FE was a safe opening against this? I scouted his 2 barracks but still failed to hold it. Tips?

http://drop.sc/304707


I don't think you did MC's 1gate FE build. Looked like a 3gate build to me. Expo was late, robo was late, and some of your probe production was off.

I think you can hold against it if you had some more sentries (to FF trap) and 1-2 immortals.


I did try to do mc 1 gate, however I scouted the 2 barracks so I instantly put down 2 gateways for the incoming push, this is why I guess the rest of my tech was late. What do you mean some of my probe production was off?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 15 2013 10:54 GMT
#8488
Mc's 1gate FE should hold 2rax easily with correct execution. Again, read monk's thread and study mc's replay vs mvp.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
February 15 2013 11:06 GMT
#8489
Well 2 Rax is one of those that scales well with execution, so I wouldn't say it's "easy" to hold.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 15 2013 11:09 GMT
#8490
I'm assuming players are even in skill.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
February 15 2013 11:30 GMT
#8491
On February 15 2013 20:09 Teoita wrote:
I'm assuming players are even in skill.

Still doesn't make it easy
FireMonkey
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Australia105 Posts
February 15 2013 12:15 GMT
#8492
how the hell do i beat zerg? im gold and i absolutely demonize plat terrans and protoss' but zerg wtf i can never win. If i dont immortal sentry all in at 9 minutes it's impossible to win against zerg they just mass up units and kill me no matter waht i do. In this game i killed his hatcheries over and over yet what do you know...still manages to mass ultras while i struggle to acquire a drop of piss worth of a unit. If i expand they kill the expansion, if i dont expand they still kill me.

I need a solid way to beat zerg over and over so i can get into plat, this is litterally what keeps me in gold league. PvZ. all their crap...mass roach push, ling muta. it pisses me off to no end. I played as zerg for a while and i know how ez it is to win below diamond against protoss.

once i finally get rid of the guy's mutas he suddenly comes with mass lings and roaches. I'd honestly have preferred if he went broodlord infestor atleast i can beat that most the time.

can someone coach me in pvz this guy was plat zerg and i dont even think he was that good anyway he could've done so much more with the mutas but this is about me not him. I kept my money low. I don't know when the fuck i should be pushing out because if i do mutas will just run over base. anyone care to teach me PvZ so i can not lose to silver level zerg scrubs.

This game would be fun if I could actually do something against zerg but nope nothing works. I went stalker archon and eventual mother ship because i assumed that since he had a spire already up he'd go broodlord. I like playing macro games against terran and toss but against zerg it is not humanly possible.

Any help would be good before i hang myself. if anyone could help me in game too that would be nice my code is 950. just message me when im on American server.


http://drop.sc/304780
fuck bitches, get money
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 15 2013 12:18 GMT
#8493
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383628
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
FireMonkey
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Australia105 Posts
February 15 2013 12:53 GMT
#8494
that doesnt help

User was warned for this post
fuck bitches, get money
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
February 15 2013 12:56 GMT
#8495
It is. If it's not helpful, you're the problem, no one can fix that.
probeater
Profile Joined October 2012
124 Posts
February 15 2013 15:28 GMT
#8496
so by this logic, when anyone has a PvZ problem, you just link the guide? i'm pretty sure if thats all he needed he would look at the guide. but he probably doesn't know what he's doing wrong so you can at least look at the replay
I have a Dark Templar Statue at home.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 15 2013 15:35 GMT
#8497
When someone balance whines, posts like shit and doesn't put any effort in his post, yes i do.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 15:36:59
February 15 2013 15:36 GMT
#8498
On February 16 2013 00:28 probeater wrote:
so by this logic, when anyone has a PvZ problem, you just link the guide? i'm pretty sure if thats all he needed he would look at the guide. but he probably doesn't know what he's doing wrong so you can at least look at the replay


Well, the guide contains everything. If he says "all their crap" is giving him trouble, this is the perfect thing to look at.

Also woooohoooo I'm templar now. No idea how icons are decided but yaaaaaay.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
fNacks
Profile Joined March 2010
United States39 Posts
February 15 2013 17:22 GMT
#8499
Is it advantageous to use a control group for Warpgates instead of the default 'W' key? I've seen many pros hotkey their Gateways, and I've also seen many that simply use 'W.' Some of my friends rebound 'W' as a control group for Gateways. I can see a control group being advantageous in some ways, but the fear of accidentally adding foreign units/buildings/losing the Gateways from the group always plagues my mind. What is accepted as the best way in today's evolved SC knowledge?
"No worry, I use special tactics." - White-Ra
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 18:31:51
February 15 2013 18:30 GMT
#8500
On February 16 2013 02:22 fNacks wrote:
Is it advantageous to use a control group for Warpgates instead of the default 'W' key? I've seen many pros hotkey their Gateways, and I've also seen many that simply use 'W.' Some of my friends rebound 'W' as a control group for Gateways. I can see a control group being advantageous in some ways, but the fear of accidentally adding foreign units/buildings/losing the Gateways from the group always plagues my mind. What is accepted as the best way in today's evolved SC knowledge?

The short answer is no.

The longer answer is: Some pros map a Robo or some other tech building to their Gates so that tapping the key will allow to to, say, warp in 3 Stalkers and start an Immortal.
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