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skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
July 26 2011 21:01 GMT
#41
Zatic, I always look forward to your admining as you do it with creativity and humor.

I am all for people organizing their writing. In some ways, the (new/odd) convention of spoiler tags does help organize. However, you can achieve the same effect with bold heading.

TL;DR I don't care how it's organized so long as it IS organized.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
July 26 2011 21:41 GMT
#42
Every single one of our front page news is larger than most guides posted on this forum. Are you people seriously suggesting it would be better to put them all into 12 spoiler tags? You for rela?

Yes walls of text suck. That's what the return key and the various ways of formatting texts are there for. For larger pieces a table of content sounds like a good idea, and is definitely less work for the author than putting their entire post into spoiler tags.

To be clear this rant is just that, a rant. I won't moderate any guides just because they are hidden in spoilers. In fact I most likely will find the click orgy too annoying to even read them.
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Nyctophobia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada99 Posts
July 26 2011 22:36 GMT
#43
I think it would depend on the guide, more specifically, how long it is, and how much variance of subject there is between paragraphs.

If it's opening and closing spoiler tags just to read a few sentences, though, it is most definitely annoying.
If you can chill, chill.
Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
July 26 2011 23:26 GMT
#44
I think there's nothing wrong with having everything in spoilers.

It lets you read walls of text in smaller bites, do you really want to see a big wall of text?
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Carbonthief
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
July 26 2011 23:27 GMT
#45
I like it because I can compare 2 separate sections on the same screen easily, sections that would normally be far apart because of the sections in between.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 23:38:30
July 26 2011 23:38 GMT
#46
On July 27 2011 06:41 zatic wrote:
Every single one of our front page news is larger than most guides posted on this forum. Are you people seriously suggesting it would be better to put them all into 12 spoiler tags? You for rela?

Yes walls of text suck. That's what the return key and the various ways of formatting texts are there for. For larger pieces a table of content sounds like a good idea, and is definitely less work for the author than putting their entire post into spoiler tags.

To be clear this rant is just that, a rant. I won't moderate any guides just because they are hidden in spoilers. In fact I most likely will find the click orgy too annoying to even read them.

News and guides are two separate entities, my friend. A guide is like a glossary in a book. Do you want that not organized or collected into general 'chapters' or ideas?
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Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
July 26 2011 23:38 GMT
#47
On July 27 2011 06:41 zatic wrote:
Every single one of our front page news is larger than most guides posted on this forum. Are you people seriously suggesting it would be better to put them all into 12 spoiler tags? You for rela?

Yes walls of text suck. That's what the return key and the various ways of formatting texts are there for. For larger pieces a table of content sounds like a good idea, and is definitely less work for the author than putting their entire post into spoiler tags.

To be clear this rant is just that, a rant. I won't moderate any guides just because they are hidden in spoilers. In fact I most likely will find the click orgy too annoying to even read them.


Yes, the spoilers make it a lot easier to quickly reference the relevant part of the guide, especially while in a game. I would prefer to has as little irrelevant text on my screen as possible, and spoilers are the best way to achieve that goal.
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Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
July 27 2011 00:00 GMT
#48
On July 27 2011 06:41 zatic wrote:
Every single one of our front page news is larger than most guides posted on this forum. Are you people seriously suggesting it would be better to put them all into 12 spoiler tags? You for rela?

Yes walls of text suck. That's what the return key and the various ways of formatting texts are there for. For larger pieces a table of content sounds like a good idea, and is definitely less work for the author than putting their entire post into spoiler tags.

To be clear this rant is just that, a rant. I won't moderate any guides just because they are hidden in spoilers. In fact I most likely will find the click orgy too annoying to even read them.



Zatic, the irony just struck me: You're a starcraft player complaining about having to click a lot xD

Seriously though, front page news =/ guides. Nobody's asking you to put all the news in spoiler tags because it serves no purpose to do so. Not every reader of a news post has to quickly reference a section of it, whereas a guide, all the readers can conceivably come back to review a specific piece of information and don't want to scroll awkwardly to find it. Just click and get all the info you needed, makes a lot of sense for guides.
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pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
July 27 2011 00:06 GMT
#49
I disagree entirely. For very bare-bones guides, I don't think it's necessary at all. But for detailed posts that could be reasonably divided into several sub-sections, I don't think it's incorrect. Reading a huge wall of text is annoying, possibly even more so, especially if you're searching for one little paragraph about something. A heading with a spoiler would allow you to quickly scan the post to find the section you need and then go from there.
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DE4DhunTer
Profile Joined July 2011
22 Posts
July 27 2011 00:07 GMT
#50
Ughh... I am dieing as Z here. The games that I play against T there's practically always a place to siege where your lings can't get to.
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The.Doctor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada333 Posts
July 27 2011 05:24 GMT
#51
IDK my guide is 17+ pages long on TvZ and you QQd in there too but I highly doubt someone would sit and read it all this way. The way my guide is, anyways, makes it so that you look for what you want and read it rather than going through everything.

+ Show Spoiler +
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epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 05:40:32
July 27 2011 05:36 GMT
#52
ok?...

On July 27 2011 09:07 DE4DhunTer wrote:
Ughh... I am dieing as Z here. The games that I play against T there's practically always a place to siege where your lings can't get to.

lol
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denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
July 27 2011 05:41 GMT
#53
I think people are too used to reddit-style posts. Also, kids these days don't have the attention span for a wall of text.

Maybe it will be helpful for you to post some links in the OP of good guides in the past.
Rorra
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1066 Posts
July 27 2011 06:20 GMT
#54
I never really saw all the spoilers as a problem, but I don't have an issue with a guide without spoilers either.
If its annoying/breaks up the pace for some people then maybe guides should include as few spoilers as possible, It would definitely be stupid to try and moderate such a thing but if I ever write a guide I'll keep it in mind.
Oakwarrior
Profile Joined July 2011
Estonia31 Posts
July 27 2011 06:30 GMT
#55
I have to say that spoilers help with the information organization so by all means - lets not stop doing it. It allows me to read through stuff I am actually more interested in guides first, rather than just scrolling past textwalls that I don't give two poos about.
"Great minds go in great circles."
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 06:39:43
July 27 2011 06:37 GMT
#56
seems like a blog post to me. If a person wants to make a guide a certain way, then I have no problem with it because they took the time to make the guide and I have the right to complain? I think what's a lot worse, is why we keep seeing threads pop-up with the same questions that they could already find or threads with zero replays.
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 06:40:52
July 27 2011 06:40 GMT
#57
Guides are for learning something specific. This is different that say... reading a news article or a novel. The average person better absorbs information when it is well organized. As a result, most educational literature such as textbooks uses chapters with subsection formats. Important vocabulary may be bolded or italicized. Similarily, this is why people take notes from their lectures or textbooks. For most people, good notes are visually organized with things like highlighted vocab words, bullet points, and different sections by topic. By organizing thoughts in this manner, people are able to quickly find the information they need and identify important subjects.

Spoilers are another way of helping people in this forum learn better through visual organization. I have no understanding of your dislike of them, or your complaint of clicking to view information. I find them an excellent structural tool.
Jtn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
444 Posts
July 27 2011 06:40 GMT
#58
Absolutely disagree with this topic. Look at your folder structure in your computer. Why do we have folders in the first place? So that everything's organized for quick access. Instead of having all my files on my desktop, I have all my school stuff in a School folder, etc. Let's bring this analogy to TL. Let's say we have a 10,000 word guide on some crazy new Protoss build. After I'm done reading all of it, let's say I come back a couple days later and just want to find the exact build numbers. Do you think it's easier to scroll through 10,000 words or you know, 20 words to find the heading "Build Order"?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
July 27 2011 06:45 GMT
#59
I don't agree, sorry. I prefer the spoilers so that I can see the headlines clearly.

Now, if someone has to click 10 spoiler levels deep, that is annoying. But for people who just separate it into headlines, and make each block a spoiler, I like that.
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Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 07:13:22
July 27 2011 07:08 GMT
#60
I gotta admit that this post suprises me. Using spoilers and meaningful headlines greatly increase the readin experience and gives you an overview.

I can see why people could be annoyed by it but I definitly prefer this format. If I remember correctly iEchoics format of postint his build was widely regarded as a role model for strat posts.

I like how the tl mods try to keep the strat forum clean and useful but in this case I simply disagree.

Edit: Tbh, even your 'slight' overuse of spoilers in the op in fact made it easier to get a quick overview of what I can expect when reading your post
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