[H] PVT metagame/micro issues.

maybe I need a shift in my metagame

On July 20 2011 10:32 Probulous wrote:




Chill, wants a word with you...

For reference

Metagame != your build order

Some insight for you

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130447

Welcome to TL.

On July 20 2011 11:07 incardito wrote:
I thought the decision to get charge and late collosi against 2 base mmm push versus fast charge and extra game was metagame, sorry

On July 20 2011 12:06 EatThePath wrote:


@OP: To be precise, you don't have a metagame. To most people, there is a metagame. The thread that probu linked has some good posts on pages 8 and 9. The OP of that thread is mostly wrong, if you ask me. But with either interpretation, don't refer to your choice of build order as "my metagame".

The wider spirit of your post though is the right idea. You are trying to ask: "what are fashionable builds and strategies these days?" To that question I would answer, don't post here asking people to do your homework for you. Watch streams, read threads and tournament reports, watch recent pro games.

I also watched your replay though because I don't like to post in H threads without checking the replay. Your choice of fast robo is pretty ballsy with the expand on XN caverns, but that's fine. Then you don't get an obs asap. Why?? It would have given you good information, I thought that was the point of fast robo FE. Also, he let you see both a techlab and a reactor rax when you stalker poke. You know he has some pressure coming, and possibly more rax worth. You know you have a faster expo than he does, so why not just get a couple obs and make a ton of guys to defend the pressure, then ride your econ to victory?

In fact, even though you lost too much (imo) you still deflected his pressure just fine. At this point, you were up 8 workers. (Yeah mules, whatever.) You had gasses faster. By the end of the game you were up even more workers. If you had used your obs to scout his tech more, you would have seen he had no ghosts coming, and you already see his army anyway. You have the option of getting a lot more sentries and fighting that way. Or you can chrono your 3 gates and get whatever you want while you get upgrades and twilight stuff.

The decision is to double tech is pretty greedy. It's not totally invalid but you died, so... pretty stark lesson. Also, you made a second robo bay, did you know that? Did you watch your own replay?? You also started colo range without making a colossus. If you are already short on guys, and you know you have an econ lead (meaning he has to take a risky expansion timing or attack you), why would you not just get a colo asap for added safety?

You got greedy and spread yourself too thin and died to a 62-44 army supply difference. Use your obs to scout and make enough stuff to survive so your econ lead pays.

But anyway, about the metagame. I don't think there have been any major changes in the last two months. People are favouring gateway compositions more. You don't have to get double forge necessarily. Just get blink and charge. (A lot people get blink first frequently.) The new sexy is using templars for feedback on medivacs and then making archons to help in the 2nd half of the battle. If you are super duper fancy, you can do phoenix play. (See MC's recent PvT.)

Another thing you might consider that may or may not be new to you: if you scout the terran walling off his ramp like that, you can do a void ray + 2-3gateway attack they is really hard to defend. The void rays will charge up on his supply depots out of range of the marines. Then you can push in further and use forcefield to make life miserable for him. You can usually snipe the wall barracks (and its addon if he did that) at the very least while killing some guys. You should lose a minimal amount. You can go for the kill or just prevent his expo while you take yours, plus you did some good damage.

On July 20 2011 13:29 Soluhwin wrote:

For anyone confused by this, chill's major pet-peeve (along with one of my own) is when people misuse the word 'metagame', specifically using it as a replacement for the word 'strategy', as you have done in your OP, as well as the thread title.

On July 20 2011 13:58 incardito wrote:


Hey man, I'm just trying to get better at the game :\

Also, why don't you actually contribute while criticizing that one thing that everyone already mentioned prior to that post?

On July 20 2011 13:17 Chill wrote:
FUCK

On July 20 2011 13:29 Soluhwin wrote:

For anyone confused by this, Chill's Major pet-peeve (along with ONE of my own) iS when people misuse the word 'metagame', specifically using it as a replacement for the word 'strategy', as you have done in your OP, as well as the thread title.