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TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 09 2011 21:20 GMT
#161
It's still strategical thinking, Squigly
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QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
August 09 2011 22:03 GMT
#162
I like this post - it's not always easy to stay positive. You just need to stay confident and work on your game. Don't look to imbalance, BM and other poisonous thoughts. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If you focus on improving and treat each game as a learning experience you're on the right track.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
hoax0000
Profile Joined May 2011
United States26 Posts
August 10 2011 00:18 GMT
#163
Ive often caught myself BMing people and getting very angry. I have lately tried not to do it as much just to not be 'that guy' i didnt realize that it would effect my gameplay at all!
#hoaxstarcraft
Pylons
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada54 Posts
August 10 2011 00:24 GMT
#164
After reading this post, ive only broken 3 keyboards, punched 6 holes in walls, and called 60 people on the ladder asshat noobs! I've been winning alot more lately with this generally positive mindset , I notice when I visit the chat channel "TangStarcraft" whenever I call someone a noob, I am corrected that it is a positive learning environment. So positive stuff is good, positive happy kittens flowers ponies
LuxVenture
Profile Joined August 2011
United States72 Posts
August 10 2011 00:41 GMT
#165
This post, if taken to heart, would likely benefit more readers than any other strategy article on the forums. Mindset in ANY skill-wielding endeavor, not just SC2, is pivotal. Well done, TangSC.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 10 2011 02:09 GMT
#166
LOL @ pylons. And thx for the support, Lux :D
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Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
August 10 2011 16:26 GMT
#167
I like a lot of what's in the OP, but I'd say it's closer to a description of what it'll be like when you have a positive mindset than an instruction manual for getting there.

For me, the most useful tool for developing a positive mindset has been a basic understanding of how a brain works - not at the level of synapses, or any particularly deep psychological insight, but just in broad terms of what it's trying to do.

Brains devote themselves to rationalising how they feel, so that they can better pursue or avoid those sensations in future. The trouble is, the explanations and solutions your brain spits out first tend to be quick (and rather short-sighted) fixes that aren't aligned with the bigger picture of what you're trying to achieve. So when we talk about the process of developing a positive mindset, what we mean is that we want to stop our brains coming up with bad ways to avoid negative feelings.

Mostly, losing feels bad because what you wanted to happen - what you bent all your effort toward making happen - didn't happen. Publicly. It's not about rankings or points. That's why my first urge upon losing a frustrating match has often been to deliberately lose a string of games. Yes: my brain would rather I try to lose points and succeed than try to win them and risk failure. I can't blame it, either: the vague idea that maybe learning to play SC2 better or get into Platinum might be fun and make me happy is, in emotional terms, peanuts compared to having ten to thirty minutes of hard work pissed on by a complete stranger.

You might find your brain spits out ideas about imbalance instead. This is a slightly more sophisticated mental tactic aimed at insulating you from further feelings of failure, and is generally my brain's second port of call after a bad loss.

The problem with buying into such quick fixes is that it makes them the go-to solution next time. I actually did throw a string of games in a row once. It was briefly cathartic but now every time I lose there's that knee-jerk impulse to do it again.

I cannot over-stress the importance of remaining aware of these tricks your ever-helpful brain is trying to pull. It's just trying to make you feel better, bless it. Just don't adopt the ideas it comes up with, because if you do you'll set them in concrete and start embellishing them with confirmation bias.

So: what to do about it?

The first big win is to reduce the bad feelings you get when you lose. That means setting yourself goals that aren't 'Win the game.' For instance, you could join some games with the sole objective of figuring out what your opponent is doing. If you get it right, you 'win', regardless of the outcome of the game. Concentrate on that and you'll soon get a feel for when you need to scout on each map and how to read what you see. Or you could join some games with the sole objective of keeping your money below 500 until the X minute mark. As you start to nail these objectives, combine them and slowly add more. Winning is something that happens all by itself when you do enough things right.

Day9 and others sometimes talk about how they spent a week just concentrating on macro or some other facet of the game. This is what they mean; it goes beyond just focusing your attention, it extends to the criteria you have for winning and losing.

A second big win is the flipside of the first: take control of the GG. Very often the outcome of a game is decided several minutes before it ends, through macro failure, neglecting expansions or important upgrades, not teching or scouting properly. Taking control of the GG means setting your own boundaries for when you leave the game. You might say to yourself: "Ok, letting my minerals exceed 1000 before I'm on three bases is tantamount to suicide, so if it happens, I GG. If I suddenly happen upon a well-saturated expansion I had no idea existed, I GG."

This is not the same as rage-quitting. Quite the opposite. To emphasise that and leave yourself with a clear conscience, be sure to tell your opponent why you're leaving: "I promised myself I'd quit if I missed a hidden expansion, so GG "

Taking control of the GG in this way might sound bonkers, but give it a try: I found it extremely refreshing, relaxing, and it really helped me focus on the way I was playing and the mistakes I was making. After an hour or so it felt almost like playing the single player campaign or a challenge mode; far less stressful.

A third big win is to list to yourself all the things you did right in a game while you're waiting for the next to start. This can really take the sting out of a loss very quickly, and got me over a hump where I was beginning to scout what my opponent was up to more reliably, but failing to deal with it properly. So if you hold off two cheesy plays but die to a third, focus on the ones you handled correctly. Your brain learns skills best through positive reinforcement. If all you do is dwell on what got you killed, you can become paralyzed with "don'ts". You can even end up going backwards, neglecting the things you used to do well.

The good news is that, just as seizing upon the bad, short-term solutions to losing (tilting, blaming imbalance) feeds upon itself, so the process of developing a good mindset feeds upon itself. Accentuating the positive, setting goals and taking responsibility for the GG will become your brain's mechanism for coping with failure.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 10 2011 22:28 GMT
#168
I edited the original post with your tips, Umpteen Thanks
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Naeroon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada166 Posts
August 11 2011 17:31 GMT
#169
Umpteen swooping in for the win steal!

Loljk, but nice addition there Umpteen, helping make this thread/topic meatier and more filled out, maybe now people will have more discussions about the topic at hand and less about whether or not it is strategy forum worthy
Pylons
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada54 Posts
August 12 2011 01:31 GMT
#170
naeroon is silver
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#171
I have another tip: Take a breather after a tough loss. I was having the worst morning, went like 0-5 and was getting more than a little frustrated. I was thinking I'd call it for the day, but instead I went and watched Entourage and did a light workout and had a coffee. When I came back, I was focused and grinded out to a positive win/loss ratio.
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Thraundil
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark278 Posts
August 12 2011 21:16 GMT
#172
You, sir, are exceptionally strong in the Force.
Hivemind! Just like IRL...
TehN00blet
Profile Joined July 2011
United States7 Posts
August 13 2011 04:11 GMT
#173
Is this why Idra loses alot of games that he could've won?
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 14 2011 00:32 GMT
#174
If IdrA got mindset coaching from me, I still argue he'd be the best player in the world. He's a perfect example of how emotions can negatively effect how well you play.
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ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
August 15 2011 17:45 GMT
#175
On August 11 2011 01:26 Umpteen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I like a lot of what's in the OP, but I'd say it's closer to a description of what it'll be like when you have a positive mindset than an instruction manual for getting there.

For me, the most useful tool for developing a positive mindset has been a basic understanding of how a brain works - not at the level of synapses, or any particularly deep psychological insight, but just in broad terms of what it's trying to do.

Brains devote themselves to rationalising how they feel, so that they can better pursue or avoid those sensations in future. The trouble is, the explanations and solutions your brain spits out first tend to be quick (and rather short-sighted) fixes that aren't aligned with the bigger picture of what you're trying to achieve. So when we talk about the process of developing a positive mindset, what we mean is that we want to stop our brains coming up with bad ways to avoid negative feelings.

Mostly, losing feels bad because what you wanted to happen - what you bent all your effort toward making happen - didn't happen. Publicly. It's not about rankings or points. That's why my first urge upon losing a frustrating match has often been to deliberately lose a string of games. Yes: my brain would rather I try to lose points and succeed than try to win them and risk failure. I can't blame it, either: the vague idea that maybe learning to play SC2 better or get into Platinum might be fun and make me happy is, in emotional terms, peanuts compared to having ten to thirty minutes of hard work pissed on by a complete stranger.

You might find your brain spits out ideas about imbalance instead. This is a slightly more sophisticated mental tactic aimed at insulating you from further feelings of failure, and is generally my brain's second port of call after a bad loss.

The problem with buying into such quick fixes is that it makes them the go-to solution next time. I actually did throw a string of games in a row once. It was briefly cathartic but now every time I lose there's that knee-jerk impulse to do it again.

I cannot over-stress the importance of remaining aware of these tricks your ever-helpful brain is trying to pull. It's just trying to make you feel better, bless it. Just don't adopt the ideas it comes up with, because if you do you'll set them in concrete and start embellishing them with confirmation bias.

So: what to do about it?

The first big win is to reduce the bad feelings you get when you lose. That means setting yourself goals that aren't 'Win the game.' For instance, you could join some games with the sole objective of figuring out what your opponent is doing. If you get it right, you 'win', regardless of the outcome of the game. Concentrate on that and you'll soon get a feel for when you need to scout on each map and how to read what you see. Or you could join some games with the sole objective of keeping your money below 500 until the X minute mark. As you start to nail these objectives, combine them and slowly add more. Winning is something that happens all by itself when you do enough things right.

Day9 and others sometimes talk about how they spent a week just concentrating on macro or some other facet of the game. This is what they mean; it goes beyond just focusing your attention, it extends to the criteria you have for winning and losing.

A second big win is the flipside of the first: take control of the GG. Very often the outcome of a game is decided several minutes before it ends, through macro failure, neglecting expansions or important upgrades, not teching or scouting properly. Taking control of the GG means setting your own boundaries for when you leave the game. You might say to yourself: "Ok, letting my minerals exceed 1000 before I'm on three bases is tantamount to suicide, so if it happens, I GG. If I suddenly happen upon a well-saturated expansion I had no idea existed, I GG."

This is not the same as rage-quitting. Quite the opposite. To emphasise that and leave yourself with a clear conscience, be sure to tell your opponent why you're leaving: "I promised myself I'd quit if I missed a hidden expansion, so GG "

Taking control of the GG in this way might sound bonkers, but give it a try: I found it extremely refreshing, relaxing, and it really helped me focus on the way I was playing and the mistakes I was making. After an hour or so it felt almost like playing the single player campaign or a challenge mode; far less stressful.

A third big win is to list to yourself all the things you did right in a game while you're waiting for the next to start. This can really take the sting out of a loss very quickly, and got me over a hump where I was beginning to scout what my opponent was up to more reliably, but failing to deal with it properly. So if you hold off two cheesy plays but die to a third, focus on the ones you handled correctly. Your brain learns skills best through positive reinforcement. If all you do is dwell on what got you killed, you can become paralyzed with "don'ts". You can even end up going backwards, neglecting the things you used to do well.

The good news is that, just as seizing upon the bad, short-term solutions to losing (tilting, blaming imbalance) feeds upon itself, so the process of developing a good mindset feeds upon itself. Accentuating the positive, setting goals and taking responsibility for the GG will become your brain's mechanism for coping with failure.

Man your post is golden. I have a problem of getting very frustrated by my losses in the ladder and that what I feel that keep me from advancing from plat to diamond in my case. I will try anything you wrote here and hopefully I will be able to actually enjoy this game like I did when I was bronze.
I'm playing the game, the one that will take me to my end, i'm waiting for the rain, TO WASH-- WHO I AM!!!
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
August 15 2011 17:50 GMT
#176
Good pointers. I always fall victim to being bad mannered whenever I get killed by somebody who is blatantly worse than me (all in, 15 Thor A->Move, etc.), but it's part of the game. I always need to remember to be a Sheth and just enjoy the game ^_^/
C r u m b l i n g
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 16 2011 13:53 GMT
#177
I mean it's not easy gulati, I still get frustrated at times myself. Oftentimes it's when players make a big mistake and lose that they get the most angry, but if your anger is at other players you're not going to acknowledge the gaps in your game.
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lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
August 16 2011 14:19 GMT
#178
Great write-up, I find myself always doing points 1, 2 and 3 all the time without even noticing it.

But now I'll put a bit more focus on these, and also make sure that I check point 4 too...

I'm starting to lose my student shape and health, after a few years working full time on a PC and being a video games addict once I'm home...
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
DrZz
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 14:25:03
August 16 2011 14:24 GMT
#179
Hardest part for me is focusing on my game only, you know that's something that Stephen Covey has said in his book "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People". You should always concentrate inside your circle of influence. Makes you think at what you can do not at other things.

Thanks !
Evolve, and let the chips fall where they may
Marokeas
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada13 Posts
August 17 2011 01:54 GMT
#180
Very helpful post for anyone who's got a competitive nature. I think that includes most, if not, all of us.
In life, unlike in chess, the game continues after checkmate.
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