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KLooLESS
Profile Joined June 2011
United States11 Posts
June 15 2011 21:40 GMT
#101
Haha, this is actually pretty awesome. This might be a good way to ingrain some things that should be "muscle memory" into our fingers. Gotta try it out sometime, thanks for the post
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spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
June 15 2011 22:09 GMT
#102
i prefer playing epic solos in rockband, much funner than spamming a keyboard.
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 23:46:56
June 15 2011 22:26 GMT
#103
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.
Any hive cluster that would trade a little economy to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
June 15 2011 23:54 GMT
#104
I want to elaborate on something from above. If you want to train your fingers, it's actually crucial that you also train your forearm and really your entire arm. Try wiggling your pinky and look at your elbow. You can see quite clearly that the motion of the pinky is controlled by muscles all the way up to your elbow. How could you possibly have strong fingers if you don't have strong forearms? And how can you have strong forearms when you don't have a strong upper arm?

In the worst case, you could injury yourself because the muscle groups you're trying to train depend on muscle groups you haven't trained and are too weak to handle the stress.
Any hive cluster that would trade a little economy to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both
iChau
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:36:39
June 16 2011 03:31 GMT
#105
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


Are we Korean pros? Do we have that extra edge by being Korean? Is it weird in the US to play Starcraft 2 constantly at a young age?


On June 16 2011 07:26 philipov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.


I agree with the 1st paragraph.

Also, I type faster with my right hand, but I can't remember the letters on that side of the keyboard.

btw I'm trying this out and so far I'm liking it. I have found a lot of problems with my left hand so far..
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 16 2011 06:09 GMT
#106
On June 16 2011 07:26 philipov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.


I forced myself to become ambidextrous a few years ago. I think that might be another reason...my right hand (I'm a lefty, so yeah) is just as powerful as my left,I can write decently on it.

When I'm intensely writing an essay, if my left arm burns out, I toss the pencil into the other hand and use that lol. It's pretty great, I must say. Except my teacher looks at the paper, and like half of it is really neat and half of it is like 5th grade writing lol
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
June 16 2011 06:21 GMT
#107
On June 16 2011 15:09 XDJuicebox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 07:26 philipov wrote:
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.


I forced myself to become ambidextrous a few years ago. I think that might be another reason...my right hand (I'm a lefty, so yeah) is just as powerful as my left,I can write decently on it.

When I'm intensely writing an essay, if my left arm burns out, I toss the pencil into the other hand and use that lol. It's pretty great, I must say. Except my teacher looks at the paper, and like half of it is really neat and half of it is like 5th grade writing lol


Lol, I am also a left-handed and worked to become ambidextrous and sadly enough... My writing with my left hand looks like a 5th graders I guess I have been using the computer for so long that I never really needed to learn how to write things for other people.

Back on topic- I think that the OP's advice is good and perfectly fine but tbh... Just actively working on your dexterity in any way will show improvements. Hopefully this will help people that would like an outline of steps outside of the actual computer.

One thing that I am interested in getting better at is my mouse control. I typically find that I have good mouse control but as always I want to improve. Does anyone know of some good games or programs that help you with your mouse control? Obviously playing sc will do that but still... I guess a possible answer that I would be looking for is custom games in sc (but mainly looking for flash games or w/e to work on mouse movement).
RRjr
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 10:48:58
June 16 2011 10:26 GMT
#108
On June 13 2011 02:57 Geniuszerg wrote:
personally i think the best way to improve hand speed is the play the game.. theres no point having high apm if you suck, harsh, but kinda the truth

No. The guy mentioned like 6 gazillion times that this is not about APM per se. It's about improving the speed of your hands.

If you want to become faster with your fingers you have to apply some training method. Just playing the game doesn't cut it. If you wanna become really fast, especially with your ring and pinky, it's going to take a lot of training. If you play any sort of instrument you'll know that it takes lifelong practice. Your hands have to stay in training pretty much constantly.

That said: Get a Powerball!

Only training your fingers isn't enough. You have to train the muscles that support and lead your fingers. If you really examine your movements, you'll see that most of them are actually driven by the lower muscles in your forearm. A powerball trains those muscles directly. Make them stronger and your fingers will become faster.

Powerballs are also great at preventing RSI. And you can show them to chicks and ask them to look at your shiny powerballs...

In the worst case, you could injury yourself because the muscle groups you're trying to train depend on muscle groups you haven't trained and are too weak to handle the stress.

Yeah but that absolutely worst case. You'd have to do some sick shit to really injure yourself.

If you do drills responsibly, a little pain is actually normal. This level of excercise makes your muscles grow. They gradually adjust and grow to get rid of that pain. But yeah, you gotta know the limits and they're really easy to gauge: If it hurts a little that's okay. If it hurst more than a little you're doing it wrong. If you feel pain as in "ouch!" you need to stop what you're doing immediately. When doing finger drills and exercises I wouldn't recommend going beyond the hour. I found it' just not useful to do more.

And again: Get a Powerball. It's great especially when you've been playing for longer periods. Just fire it up for a minute or two and you'll notice your entire arm feels much better. RSI is a bitch. You wanna do what you can to avoid it.
yeah.... whatever
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
June 16 2011 13:22 GMT
#109
Only problem I have is I've become used to typing with mainly my index and middle fingers on each hand, occasionally using my ring fingers, but my little fingers and ring fingers just feel so weak and this means that I cannot efficiently touch type or play SC2 as well as I could. How can I get used to using all 8 fingers when typing/playing? Any links/videos/techniques would be really helpful.
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
RRjr
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany40 Posts
June 16 2011 13:34 GMT
#110
On June 16 2011 22:22 Mackem wrote:
Only problem I have is I've become used to typing with mainly my index and middle fingers on each hand, occasionally using my ring fingers, but my little fingers and ring fingers just feel so weak and this means that I cannot efficiently touch type or play SC2 as well as I could. How can I get used to using all 8 fingers when typing/playing? Any links/videos/techniques would be really helpful.

Common problem.

Just do some of the drills presented in the OP as regularly as you can and get comfortable with the fact that if you really want to improve dexterity on your ring & pinky it takes time.

Also, as I said, get a Powerball or some other device to train your forearm. This is important. If you don't believe me just hover your left hand over your keyboard and tap a key with your pinky for just a few minutes. You'll notice the stress in the inner muscles of your forearm quickly, because those muscles are most active when you tap your pinky.
Strengthening them will allow you to apply much more force when tapping your pinky, giving you that much mroe control and speed.
yeah.... whatever
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
June 16 2011 14:03 GMT
#111
I think I may have to get a Powerball and work on my hand/finger placement on the keyboard. Should be buying my mechanical keyboard soon as well, should be a big help.
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
Strykerz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
June 16 2011 14:45 GMT
#112
I think it may just be a genetic thing for me, but my fingers are incredibly fast. When I type, error free, I've averaged 280 WPM, I also play a guitar and very fast solos are cake for me, also learning the piano. All my life I've tapped insanely fast on my desks at school just doing random patterns, and now implimenting them in starcraft has made my life incredibly easy.

It's all in the tips! ^-^
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Ineffability~
Profile Joined February 2011
84 Posts
June 16 2011 15:45 GMT
#113
I just spamming `1`2`3`4`5`6(use ` for control group 1) in the beginning of my games
KyouKyou
Profile Joined September 2010
2 Posts
June 16 2011 15:56 GMT
#114
Just play gunz. If you can play gunz at a decent level, you already have way more precision and speed than you'll ever need on sc2. Pressing 14 keys in a second in a very precise order, speed and timing (unlike mindless hotkey spam) is common. That game probably has the highest skillcap of any video game ever made. Even after 7 years, people still struggle to execute basic maneuvers. We're talking about a game played professionally in korea (albeit the game is getting old and a lot of pros moved on).

I'd try some of the exercises in the op but I already have wrist pain from tennis. Computer games are relaxing for me and I intend to keep it that way. =]
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
June 16 2011 18:50 GMT
#115
The only difference I've noticed so far is my ring and pinky fingers improving.
GET SM4SHED
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
June 16 2011 20:10 GMT
#116
On June 17 2011 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
The only difference I've noticed so far is my ring and pinky fingers improving.


Those being your weakest fingers, I think it's natural that they would be the ones that showed the greatest degree of improvement and that would make it hard to notice the smaller amount of improvement in your already more developed fingers.
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.Mthex-
Profile Joined May 2011
United States168 Posts
June 16 2011 23:26 GMT
#117
Interesting, new tactic to try to keep me awake during physics class. Oh how I will have such serious carpool tunnel as an adult.
"If you tricked him, then he is tricked" - Artosis
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 17 2011 01:06 GMT
#118
On June 17 2011 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
The only difference I've noticed so far is my ring and pinky fingers improving.


Yeah, sounds about right.
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
June 17 2011 02:00 GMT
#119
Juicebox, you mentioned you take good care of your hands, what kind of exercises do you do? I do a few now but I wondered what other ones you might do for finger/wrist health. I've had a little trouble with my wrists before.
GET SM4SHED
SoniStreet
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia98 Posts
June 17 2011 06:57 GMT
#120
I have 200 average APM, top Diamond atm, and there is one thing I don't like about it, part of my APM is re-hotkeying units 24/7, i have bad habbit of pressing ctrl+the group i have selected, for example i select my banelings with 2, then pres ctrl-2 mil-second later, and i do this for everything, useless as hell but I can't stop it, I have to think about not doing it, when I stop - the habit kicks back and I go again, 1.. ctrl-1, 5 inject larva ctrl-5 and so on.
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