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ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
June 15 2011 01:08 GMT
#81
That kind of tutorial is something I really needed!! i mean, I am so slow at typing in general, Thanks a lot OP, and if you can also get a video online, it would be perfect. Bookmarked
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
June 15 2011 01:36 GMT
#82
I started doing these exercises yesterday so I can't wait to see if my hands become quicker.
GET SM4SHED
rust.oxide
Profile Joined May 2010
United States94 Posts
June 15 2011 04:56 GMT
#83
I don't get all the haters. My hands are not that nimble and I can't 1t2t3t (i use grid) well and it definitely is holding my play back.

I was looking around for good exercises, thank you for this!
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 15 2011 05:27 GMT
#84
Does anyone know what to do with that Python code thing? I really want to try it
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
June 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#85
There are more useful ways to improve your nimbleness/finger speed.

+ Show Spoiler +
Ladies and Gentlemen, if you learn to play this piece... well, either you fail miserably, or your speed and precision will skyrocket:
http://www.911tabs.com/link/?2222413
yiodee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States137 Posts
June 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#86
OP you are awesome :D

i always kinda did a simpler version of that and only for my right hand. So my macro still sucks. Hell! Even now I still type using only my index and middle fingers LOL

So I just wanted to add that the keyboard has 4 rows of keys and that it is also important to kinda train for the depth of the keyboard

So I have a suggestion, instead of the pauses you could move from the first row of keys to the second row of keys, and continue to use the pauses to change levels.

So like if you wanna train the left hand index and middle fingers, you could go something like:
cv [move fingers/hand] df [move fingers/hand] er [move fingers/hand] 34,

instead of just doing the df pause df pause df pause, etc

hope this helps
bLecK
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia625 Posts
June 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#87
Wow great thread. Yet to try out all your drills, though some 'training' in spare time is better than none at all
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Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
June 15 2011 10:45 GMT
#88
I stopped APM spamming in early-game because my hands get hurt. Better give them as much rest as you can during a longer ladder session
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
June 15 2011 10:48 GMT
#89
Good way in learning how to increase your efficiency.

Playing piano is an added advantage for sure.

But i think what is most important is can u really sync with the game and keyboard.

If u can't, u just can't do it.

BigHeadYoony
Profile Joined November 2010
United States92 Posts
June 15 2011 12:57 GMT
#90
On June 12 2011 16:31 XDJuicebox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 16:29 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...


Not to be a troll, but how does a macro key work? Do you press it and like it does a series of button pushing for you?


it would be a violation to blizzard rules though
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 13:04:09
June 15 2011 13:03 GMT
#91
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.
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Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
June 15 2011 16:53 GMT
#92
On June 15 2011 14:27 XDJuicebox wrote:
Does anyone know what to do with that Python code thing? I really want to try it


Here's the same thing naively converted into an exe with py2exe.

Just extract and run handspeed.exe and you shouldn't have to install python or anything.

http://goo.gl/M32kx
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
thexmarine
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway3 Posts
June 15 2011 17:35 GMT
#93
this is a good guide, honestly. The only thing you must remember is that this is something you might just use years to learn effectively. I didnt play brood war, and im not terribly good at sc2, some might call me terribad -_-. The real point however is that this is a tool you can use to take you to the next level if you have stopped developing as a player. Laddering will help you practice a lot of things, but the main mechanics, yourself, is done outside of the game.

Personally, i dont think this has so much value untill you are at least platinum+ leagues, because then you have developed some skills in the game of starcraft and know how it all works. Im still gonna do it though xD
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
June 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#94
On June 13 2011 03:07 Shucks! wrote:
Idra's apm on average is not 100-140, its 200-240.


I watched the replays from Idra vs MC at MLG Columbus and Idra's APM averaged a consistent 180 while MC was over 300.
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yiodee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States137 Posts
June 15 2011 20:35 GMT
#95
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


I respectfully agree and disagree. I am a high diamond player who knows enough about zerg to always keep me busy in game. But I don't have the hand speed to keep up with my head, I take too long to give commands and I can't always do what I want and what I know i should be doing.

These exercises are just what I needed. And they are perfect because you use them during down times(when riding the bus, etc), you are not sacrificing game time because of them
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#96
On June 16 2011 05:04 philipov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 03:07 Shucks! wrote:
Idra's apm on average is not 100-140, its 200-240.


I watched the replays from Idra vs MC at MLG Columbus and Idra's APM averaged a consistent 180 while MC was over 300.


MC spams army, IdrA doesn't.

Mistery solved!!
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 15 2011 21:06 GMT
#97
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


We don't have gaming as our full time jobs. We don't have as much time as they do to get better at this game. Now, there are times where we're not going anything, and this is a substitute for playing if you do not have access to me. Please read the entire thread before making me feel bad about myself :/

On the other hand, much <3's to everyone else! :D
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 15 2011 21:10 GMT
#98
On June 16 2011 05:35 yiodee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


I respectfully agree and disagree. I am a high diamond player who knows enough about zerg to always keep me busy in game.


Then you are doing the wrong things.

Stephano and Nerchio, what do these 2 Zergs have in common?

a) They are amongst the best players in Europe.
b) Their specific zerg macro mechanics are awful.

They both get to 200 energy on their queens VERY fast. Nerchio doesn't even have an inject method, he just goes back to his base and injects manually. In almost every game Stephano falls behind in supply. You don't need hand-speed to be amongst the best, you need brains, experience and game-sense. I've played against 350 APM players that were in diamond and I'm awfully slow too, about 90 APM and I'm in masters (no practice ^_~).

The best way to improve at the game is to play and think about it. Don't delude yourself with this handspeed crap. Hell, SjoW was #1 on European ladder with 80 APM, I don't even know why you would take advice from a platinum player that prides himself in being able to spam 450 APM at the start of the game.
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 15 2011 21:15 GMT
#99
On June 16 2011 06:06 XDJuicebox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


We don't have gaming as our full time jobs. We don't have as much time as they do to get better at this game. Now, there are times where we're not going anything, and this is a substitute for playing if you do not have access to me. Please read the entire thread before making me feel bad about myself :/

On the other hand, much <3's to everyone else! :D


Don't feel bad, I'm posting because I don't want people running around talking about APM. I wish that stat didn't even exist. How fast a player truly is you can see best through FPVoDs and second best through replays. If you worded this thread as "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble", I wouldn't have any problems with it. But as is, many many people see this thread and it furthers their understanding of fast hands = important = better player.

The real speed that you need to break into top 10 GrandMasters can only be achieved through practice and no other exercises will help with it. Any time trying to improve before that level is best spent thinking about strategies or executing strategies (this is a strategy game after all)
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 15 2011 21:21 GMT
#100
On June 16 2011 06:15 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 06:06 XDJuicebox wrote:
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


We don't have gaming as our full time jobs. We don't have as much time as they do to get better at this game. Now, there are times where we're not going anything, and this is a substitute for playing if you do not have access to me. Please read the entire thread before making me feel bad about myself :/

On the other hand, much <3's to everyone else! :D


Don't feel bad, I'm posting because I don't want people running around talking about APM. I wish that stat didn't even exist. How fast a player truly is you can see best through FPVoDs and second best through replays. If you worded this thread as "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble", I wouldn't have any problems with it. But as is, many many people see this thread and it furthers their understanding of fast hands = important = better player.

The real speed that you need to break into top 10 GrandMasters can only be achieved through practice and no other exercises will help with it. Any time trying to improve before that level is best spent thinking about strategies or executing strategies (this is a strategy game after all)


That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
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