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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 21:29:48
June 12 2011 07:22 GMT
#1
NOTE: This isn't about improving APM. This is just about making your fingers faster.
To improve APM requires a synergy of mind and body...one that I am still developing so I cannot comment on it that much.

ANOTHER NOTE: APM isn't really that important. It's just nice to have once you're really, really good.

Point of this thread: Hey! Here's something you can do when you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble!

This isn't about Starcraft 2 specifically, this is a guide on how to separate your fingers, and how to utilize them more effectively. I believe that that is the key to hand speed, seeing as I can 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a in the blink of an eye.

Do note that if you want to get faster at pressing stuff with weights (I.E. pianos), this will not work very well unless you are doing it on something that is weight, like a piano. A keyboard has very little resistance, so doing this on air or against a table will suffice.

Do you frequently get bored at school with nothing to do? At work? On a very long car ride! These are the things that I want you to do in those times then. And only those times, because the rest of your time would better be spent...laddering. But if you have nothing to do...

Hi guys. While I'm only a Platinum Terran, I feel as though I have decent fingerspeed, seeing as I can spam up to 1100 APM with 3 fingers in Brood War, and up to 450 in Starcraft 2. Now, I know that doesn't mean much, but I want to share with the world how to improve handspeed, or how I, Juicebox, feel as though it should be done.

I'd just like to note again...

This thread has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with APM. It is only about having faster fingers. I am going to bold and underline this in hopes that you guys will read this.

Now, when I first started playing Starcraft, I already had a lot of handspeed, seeing as I:

-Grew up playing piano
-Type a lot, and my WPM is around 100 when I'm just doing stuff, and 140 when I'm actually trying
-I play with Rubix Cubes, and my average time is 22 seconds with my fastest being 15.3
-I play the Trumpet, so my index to ring fingers on my right hand are quite fast
-I like to twirl pens between my fingers (still working on getting good at that...I'm awful )

Anyways, the point of this is I spend a lot of time using my fingers for stuff, so my fingers are pretty developed.

Now, I want you to try something.

With your hand parked on the ASDF key, and your thumb on spacebar, how fast can you hit A F S [Spacebar] D?

How fast can you hit A [Spacebar] S F D?

How fast can you hit A D S F D [Spacebar]?

How fast can you spam ASASASASASASASAASAS?
How fast can you spam SDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDS?
How fast can you repeatedly tap the A key? The S key? The D key? The F key?

How fast can you ssddssddssdd?

I can hit those quite fast. I can hit about 8 keys a second, which means about 480 keys per minute if I'm constantly doing it.

Now, the good part.

Introduction

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Finger separation is a very difficult thing to learn. It took me many years to develop, because I never directly tried to develop it. Your body will only know how to do the things that you tell it to do. That is why I can't spam ASASASASASASASAS as fast as I can spam the other keys, because I just never use my pinky that much. But the reason 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a comes up so fast is because I did it like 500 times a day when I played Brood War. (Yes, I hotkeyed scans to 1-3 because 1a2a3a into 4a5a6a was awkward for me)

So if you want to learn finger separation for both hands, just take the drills that I describe and apply it to your right hand. But I'm only going to be working with mouse clicking speed on the right hand, since mouse control is a topic very widely discussed, and I'm sure people have some great advice out there because my own mouse control is terrible ^_^ I do have decent click speed though.


So, drill time!

The Approach

So what we're going to do is we're going to train our fingers to have speed with every order of pressing. We're going to do this with some drills that I made up.

You can do this with a keyboard, a piano, or just tapping your finger against a table. Keyboards don't have that much resistance; pianos do. If you want to be loud as hell like Firebathero, go ahead and do it with a keyboard


Single Finger Tapping

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The very first thing we're going to learn is speed tapping, using one finger at a time to tap the same button as fast as we possibly can.

A common mistake is to just straight out tap repeatedly as much as you can. I don't believe that this develops speed as much as endurance. What I believe develops speed is tapping in a gallop rhythm, or a swing rhythm.

Instead of going tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap
I believe in tap tap [very brief pause] tap tap [pause] tap tap [pause]

I can effectively tap about 8-10 times a second, depending how much adrenaline is running through my system lol.

Do this with every single finger, on both hands. Treat your fingers equally, make sure all 10 fingers have the same speed. You never know when you're going to change your hotkey setup, so it's good to have speed on all fingers.

What I do is I go pinky to thumb twice, then thumb to pinky twice. If you're really bored, do this on both hands at the same time. So what it should look like if you were on ASDF[space], is:

aassddff aassddff ffddssaa ffddssaa

So um yeah...do that for a few weeks and you'll notice your tapping dramatically improve.

This applies especially to your mouse hand as well.


Alternating Between 2 Fingers [3434343434343434]

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Many wonder how to get speed in this regard. You honestly don't really use it that much, but what if you're doing something like 1a2a3a or 4a5a6a? You need speed between different fingers as well, or if you're doing something like 4ss5aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa if you're Terran ;]

The approach is very similar. Instead of continuously going, we will be training the motions in rapid bursts, as to use the most fast twitch in your forearms as we can.

So how this is going to work is that you are going to press 2 buttons, like DF, extremely quickly, briefly pause, and then do it again.

So instead of DFFDFDFDFDFDfDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDF

You're going to go DF [pause] DF [pause] DF [pause] DF [pause]

Btw, I'm having a lot of fun typing this, spamming is so much fun :D

So a routine that I have developed for myself is...

The routine.

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[First button, second button][There is a pause between every single 2-button cycle]

Make sure you do this on both hands at the same time.

-Pinky
-Ring Finger>Pinky
-Middle Finger>Pinky
-Index Finger>Pinky
-Thumb>Pinky
-Ring Finger
-Middle Finger>Ring Finger
-Index Finger>Ring Finger
-Thumb>Ring Finger
-Middle Finger
-Index Finger>Middle Finger
-Thumb>Middle Finger
-Index Finger
-Thumb>Index Finger

Hopefully you understand the pattern ^_^

Now, it is important to have speed in both directions. So we'll do it reversed as well.

-Thumb
-Index Finger>Thumb
-Middle Finger>Thumb
-Ring Finger>Thumb
-Pinky>Thumb
-Index Finger
-Middle Finger>Index Finger
-Ring Finger>Index Finger
-Pinky>Index Finger
-Middle Finger
-Ring Finger>Middle Finger
-Pinky>Middle Finger
-Ring Finger
-Pinky>Ring Finger

You can see how every permutation is practiced. You have to do this a lot. I do this when I'm walking home, because it's 45 minutes of nothing to do, so I kinda just do this as I'm walking, and I get a lot of weird looks, but hey, I can awesome hand speed


If you are using more than 3 fingers in a cycle (5sz6sz7sz), then you really don't need to practice those physically, you just need to practice doing them, because your mind needs to practice this, not your hands.


Practicing Double Tapping [The name that I gave it ] [4455445544554455445544554455]

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So let's say you want to look back at your base really fast, and then right back to your scouting worker. I'm assuming most people hotkey their main building to 4 (even though I hotkey it to 1 because I'm a freak of nature), and hotkey their scouting worker to 1 (I put it on 3...yet again, freak of nature :D)

So, you want to be able to hit 4411 extremely quickly. You'll only get a brief glimpse, but that's all you really need if your mind is fast enough. You don't want your worker to die to that slowlot, that's just embarrassing. You could set some shift-commands, but if you're like me and believe you're too cool for them...

So practicing double tapping between two specific fingers goes as follows.

What I personally find is the best is like the intense part of a metal song.

So let's say 4 is my index finger, and 1 is my ring finger because I don't like to use the pinky. So the way I practice it is:

4411 [pause] 4411 [pause] 44114411 [pause] 4411 [pause] 44114411 [pause]...

Hopefully you see the pattern. Do this for the most important finger combinations that you believe that you will be using. The very first drill works it, but this gives a little bit of an extra boost to it. Like with me, I can go 1122332211223322112233221122332211331133113311331133113311331133
extremely quickly.


Applying This to "Macro Algorithms"

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First of all, what is a macro algorithm? A macro algorithm is something like 4ss5aaaaaaaaaaaaa[tab]dd[tab]dd (again, this is the common setup. With me it would be 1ss2aaaaaaaaaaaaa[tab]dd[tab]dd) or something like 4s5a1, for when you're microing your scouting worker around, but want to make a Marine and SCV really fast.

I practice these things the same way that I practice double tapping. So for 4s5a1, I would go

4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a4s5a1...

Yes, the 1's are left out on purpose. That is because there's a rhythm to it, and I'd rather you not break the rhythm. What if you wanted 2 SCVs and 2 marines? It's faster to go 1s2a1s2a3 than it is to go 1ss2aa3. Trust me, switching is faster than double tapping. At least from my experiences they are...

What about working things like 1a2a3a or 4a5a6a?

I like to break it up into pairs, and then do it all together.

So for 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a, I'd go

4a [pause] 5a [pause] 6a [pause] 7a [pause] 8a [pause] 9a [pause] 0a [pause] 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a

And um yeah.


Rolling

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How fast can you go 123123123123123123123123123123123123123? or 123412341234123412341234?

When I do this, I spiked at 450 APM (well I did today, because I was nervous as hell during my HSSTL match lol)

The technique I call rolling, and it doesn't really serve much purpose in game, unless you're checking your base to see what's done and what isn't. That's what I use it for at least.

So to roll, make sure you start on the edge of the hand, and just roll down to the other side. Make sure you do both ways, and make sure you start on every single finger both ways.

So roll from pinky to thumb, ring finger to thumb, etc... and for the other side go thumb to pinky, index finger to pinky, middle finger to pinky, etc....

The reason we don't need to stop it early is because I feel like you get the same practice even if you don't stop it early. So going from ring finger to thumb helps practice ring finger to index finger in my opinion.


Keyboard Sense

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Much like air sense, or water sense, there's a sense for everything. In this case, I'm going to be referring to keyboard sense, or the knowledge of how far the keys from each other on your keyboard. If you've been using a computer for a long time, your left hand might not be acquainted with the distances of the keys on the right side of the keyboard. If you played Brood War, or any amount of Starcraft, they should be. You should be able to reach over there and hit p without looking, and hit it perfectly.

Keyboard sense is important in this case, because you should practice macro algorithms when you get bored, but you need to practice them with the correct spacing between your fingers. This isn't a problem with most people, because if you start on a keyboard, your brain kind of just remembers the spacing between all of the keys, and you'll be golden.

Just bringing this up, because keyboard sense is kind of important :D


So I hope this helped you, and hope that you will one day have super gosu handspeed! :D

And also, let me know if there's anything I should add.

The <3 List

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Since you guys make me feel so much better, I'll respond by letting you know that you made me feel good in hopes that you will feel good about it too!

Then we can have rainbows and bunnies and the world will be happy again! <3

That was a botched attempt to quote "I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school... I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy... "

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MrPANDAPANTS
Profile Joined May 2011
United States15 Posts
June 12 2011 07:29 GMT
#2
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...

User was warned for this post
THEY CALL ME SENOR PANDA PANTS!
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 12 2011 07:31 GMT
#3
On June 12 2011 16:29 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...


Not to be a troll, but how does a macro key work? Do you press it and like it does a series of button pushing for you?
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
K Love
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia45 Posts
June 12 2011 07:32 GMT
#4
1v1 Halo war
Kangaroo Love
MrPANDAPANTS
Profile Joined May 2011
United States15 Posts
June 12 2011 07:32 GMT
#5
On June 12 2011 16:31 XDJuicebox wrote:
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On June 12 2011 16:29 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...


Not to be a troll, but how does a macro key work? Do you press it and like it does a series of button pushing for you?

yeah, pretty much.. i dont use it tho.. its too much of a hassle
THEY CALL ME SENOR PANDA PANTS!
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 07:33:44
June 12 2011 07:33 GMT
#6
On June 12 2011 16:32 K Love wrote:
1v1 Halo war


I know who you are...Mr. Kangaroo Love of Australia. Long time no see.

I'm awful at Halo Wars, you know that.


On June 12 2011 16:32 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 16:31 XDJuicebox wrote:
On June 12 2011 16:29 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...


Not to be a troll, but how does a macro key work? Do you press it and like it does a series of button pushing for you?

yeah, pretty much.. i dont use it tho.. its too much of a hassle


Lol I played too much Brood War to use macro keys.
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
June 12 2011 07:35 GMT
#7
any one can have 200+ APM the trick is to make it usufull APM
SC > halo
mage36
Profile Joined May 2011
415 Posts
June 12 2011 07:37 GMT
#8
I don't think flipping pens ever helped me with this. but who knows. I have been flipping pens way longer than I've playing SC2. I also type pretty fast (no data on that though). However, I believe that Your APM is as much about the mind as it is about the body. How fast can you think of your next starcraft action and how are your fingers able to keep up with them? IMO, while your suggestion can help with the latter, I think that good hard practice in-game will just help with both. But you are right. It takes time. Lots of it. That is why Korean (especially BW) players can reach 400 APM (no spam) and MvP, I believe reaches an average of 300+.
TheKillers
Profile Joined February 2011
United States17 Posts
June 12 2011 07:37 GMT
#9
what...the...hell...

that sounds insane man, you just gave me something to do when I'm bored :D
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Recreant
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1 Post
June 12 2011 07:41 GMT
#10
Having 450 APM for the first two minutes is ...cool? -_-
ElemUnit
Profile Joined May 2011
United States38 Posts
June 12 2011 07:41 GMT
#11
Wow, This sounds really awesome

I don't think it'll help me just yet, but if i definitely practice this, and then be able to apply it to my mechanics, i think i'll definitely be well off

I'll make sure to come back to this and let you know what i think.
simbot
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia95 Posts
June 12 2011 07:45 GMT
#12
It would probably help to do exercises that promote "independence" between your fingers as well, like diddle rudiments

1211 2122 etc
1221 2112 etc
121211 212122
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
June 12 2011 07:55 GMT
#13
Add in the part where it says how fast you get RSI.

But seriously, you gotta be sure that you do stuff like this in very small focused chunks of time. You have to slowly build up your hand speed and not just suddenly try and see how fast you can go. If you go from not really using your fingers very much and "playing fast" with high apm, or typing at a really fast rate, you will injure yourself. I have carpal tunnel quite badly right now from not taking enough breaks or stretching properly, and reading stuff like "always be trying to move your hands as fast as you can" makes my wrist hurt just sitting here reading.

Just be smart about how much time you spend repeating things over and over again as quickly as humanly possible on your keyboard. Treat it like you are a runner. If you suddenly try and run long distances, you will get shin splints and have tendinitis in no time. Build your hand speed up gradually. Get a good idea of how fast your hands move right now without thinking about it, and progress slowly from there.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
June 12 2011 08:03 GMT
#14
Nice guide, and I think it's cool how pianists have a much easier time at games like SC2

Thanks for writing!

Also, hope you won your HSSTL match
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hassook
Profile Joined November 2010
United Arab Emirates16 Posts
June 12 2011 08:31 GMT
#15
Nice guide although some parts i didnt quite understand how to do them, a VOD simulation of each practice routine would be quite useful.
BlindSC2
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 08:40:16
June 12 2011 08:34 GMT
#16
I do various things like this just at the start of games and used to do similar when I played CS (spamming 1,2,3 (switching weapons) before getting to engage points). Over years of play I'm conditioned to have my pinky only be used for tab/shift/control, and that has transferred to SC2. But because of the spamming in CS I can easily use my index finger to spam two or maybe three keys at constant speed matching that of the ring and middle finger (such as ring on 1, middle on 2, index on 3-5 in a 'rolling' motion)

But I wouldn't do this anywhere else outside of a game, wouldn't want to hurt my wrists

Watching replays between games is a good excuse to rest and stretch your arms/get a drink so I try and do that as much as possible unless I just want to get straight into another game

At the start of the game I fill hotkeys 1-4 and repeat patterns based on a song I'm listening to, like just assign a note to a key and play a long to the song (and add extra notes if its a slow one). But without needless spamming I average ~110 APM over a long game anyways, so its more to keep me busy and focused than practising hand speed

I also do basic beatboxing when I'm by myself and so will do the same with that
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eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
June 12 2011 08:59 GMT
#17
wow thanks, you just helped me realise how retarded my left hand actually is lol
6 poll is a good skill toi have
`dunedain
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 09:07:59
June 12 2011 09:06 GMT
#18
Yea, but how do you game if you're Blind?? :þ

Seriously though, although playing musical instruments from a young age helps (I've been playing guitar for 10 or so years), dexterity and memory exercises help the most when working on your APM.
Just remembering what you constantly have to do next allows you to complete your task faster.

What I feel I need practice with though is learning how to use multiple spellcasters simultaneously, while still being efficient. And since I only use 3 hotkeys for my units, I feel that tabbing properly is of extreme importance.
Imagine an EMP blankets the protoss army, followed by dropping a PDD, then stimming your MM forward before switching to your ghost again to Snipe the HT's before they turn to Archons.

But I think you only really reach that point after a shitload of repetition and becoming comfortable with your (console) keyboard.
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Poonchow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States56 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 09:08:15
June 12 2011 09:07 GMT
#19
Get to Expert on rock band / guitar hero guitar -- most expert level songs require quite a bit of finger separation; even though the game is mostly pattern recognition, your fingers have to be able to hit the keys even if you understand how to execute the pattern.

After playing this game for a while at that level it should help with some of the things the OP has brought up.
DennyR
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 09:30:59
June 12 2011 09:23 GMT
#20
I get 600-700 in earlygame spam with mouse tho.

I spam 1,2,3,4,q(for worker) and box my workers while doing so.... pretty useless because as soon as the game really starts I completly stop spamming and get to real 150avg apm with 300-400 in fights and 80-120 in macromode.


Just to mention it, I also play piano.
Abombination
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1 Post
June 12 2011 15:53 GMT
#21
Being an ARCT piano player, my hands are extremely nimble and agile. However, I have yet to transfer if fully to Starcraft APM. My APM is only about 80 - 100, but it can spike up to 300 in fights.
Knowledge is Power
lilky
Profile Joined January 2011
United States131 Posts
June 12 2011 16:01 GMT
#22
High APM doesnt necessarily mean you play well. Case in point: idra's avg apm in most tournament games is 100-140 (quite low, especially for a professional) and yet he is one of the best players in the world.
chaopow
Profile Joined March 2011
United States556 Posts
June 12 2011 16:10 GMT
#23
The post is just for the people who are saying they have slow hands or they have low apm and cannot do things efficiently and quickly. Its a good post to help you speed up your APM but once you have enough APM it is your own job to make it efficient and actually do something rather then spamming.

Also you really do not need very high APM even if you are a pro player. Goody plays at a very low apm level (compared to most pros) around 100, Whitera also plays at a rather low apm level where he really does not spam but in times where he really needs to micro and macro he does it efficiently.
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burnswuff
Profile Joined December 2010
United States61 Posts
June 12 2011 16:15 GMT
#24
When I play starcraft, I do not put my hands in the standard keyboard typing position. I have to say my left pinky is extremely weak and is it hard for me to spam a. However, the important Terran hotkeys are s,a,d,e etc. Therefore, i place my middle finger on a and go from there.
Alex_M
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
June 12 2011 16:43 GMT
#25
awsome, ill give this a try
FenneK
Profile Joined November 2010
France1231 Posts
June 12 2011 16:52 GMT
#26
hoy crap, this is crazy
good luck have batman
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
June 12 2011 16:58 GMT
#27
On June 12 2011 16:29 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...


And get banned.
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Carmine
Profile Joined September 2010
United States263 Posts
June 12 2011 17:21 GMT
#28
I love beating players with high apm when I have 50 at the start of the game and peak at like an average of 75 in game. I never spam though, so all my apm has purpose.
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Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
June 12 2011 17:30 GMT
#29
i can fuck up a build order trying to make my APM look pro in the first 2 minutes.
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tablet
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland116 Posts
June 12 2011 17:50 GMT
#30
On June 12 2011 16:29 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...


It's cheating and will get you banned.
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 12 2011 17:54 GMT
#31
Wow, this sounds really useful!
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Geniuszerg
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada454 Posts
June 12 2011 17:57 GMT
#32
personally i think the best way to improve hand speed is the play the game.. theres no point having high apm if you suck, harsh, but kinda the truth
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Profile Joined November 2010
United States118 Posts
June 12 2011 18:07 GMT
#33
Idra's apm on average is not 100-140, its 200-240.
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zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
June 12 2011 18:35 GMT
#34
I very much doubt that raw keyboard hand speed as developed here is really a limiting factor for people.

I think more significant limitation in speed are mouse accuracy, decision making and multitasking.

For mouse accuracy, there's a model known as Fitt's law which describes the tradeoff between speed and accuracy for pointing devices. Basically, the smaller the object you need to select, the more slowly you have to do to do it accurately. With practice, you can certainly improve both speed and accuracy.

Decision making relates to how much thinking is done about decisions in games. For good players, most of the deeper thinking is done pre game then the best solution simply executed while in game. For instance, just think about how Idra talks sometimes: if I see A, I respond XYZ, if I see B, I respond DEF. There's little time wasted in-game thinking about decisions. In my experience with real sports, this is something that separates the top athletes from the poorer ones - the ability to stop thinking and just execute automatically.

As for multitasking, by this I mean doing something like dealing with two battles at a time while macroing as well. For something like this, you have to switch quickly between multiple sets of actions, which means that each set of actions should be economical and quickly executed. This is how a high APM player should be able to leverage their hand speed to take advantage over a lower APM player.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
June 12 2011 20:35 GMT
#35
while youre smashing 450apm ive just 2 gate proxy you and won cause you werent concentrating on playing but breaking your keyboard instead
nice guide bro
BlindSC2
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:59:48
June 12 2011 20:50 GMT
#36
I love how some people are just flaming the OP saying APM/hand speed doesn't matter, and that 500 APM in the first two minutes doesn't help you

He knows that it doesn't, that's not what he's trying to explain. By repeating patterns as fast a possible you are training your hand to go to exact places on the keyboard without thinking. By doing this you are helping to condition your hand to 'do its own thing' while you make tactical decisions

This is a fundamental part of learning an opening, or having good macro. Your hand simply goes through all your production facilities over and over without you thinking, so you can concentrate on scouting, micro or whatever else is going on. By repeating patterns and doing them faster and faster like the OP is saying, you are increasing the speed at which you perform your cycles of production, allowing more time for other actions

This spamming also simply improves the speed of your fingers in general so you can more easily micro, use camera hotkeys faster etcetc

He isn't telling you to just have 500 apm at the start of a game so you look 'cool'

Speed of action and precision of action, culminating in efficiency of action, the basics of mechanics. Increasing your apm does help you improve parts of your gameplay
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 12 2011 20:56 GMT
#37
On June 12 2011 16:35 ki11z0ne wrote:
any one can have 200+ APM the trick is to make it usufull APM


hand speed isnt quite apm. Hand speed increases will let you do what you do now faster and more effectively which would make your apm possibly go up just by letting you do what you do now and giving you more time to do what you want to do and arent able to accomplish due to your lower hand speed.

also as a note to nail biters try not to bite your nails. When I go for a few days not biting them I find myself more accurate and better able to play when I am not biting my nails but it is a terrible habit that is hard to break >.<
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Sharwaro
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway6 Posts
June 12 2011 20:58 GMT
#38
You can also play some stepmania to improve the speed. I remember that I was able to keep up with streams at 240 bpm, which is about 16 key-presses in a sec.
Ge0Rob
Profile Joined March 2011
England61 Posts
June 12 2011 21:00 GMT
#39
If you wanna practice your mouse skill then go download and play Osu, its brilliant for dexterity
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Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
June 12 2011 21:11 GMT
#40
Very interesting idea. Increasing dexterity is definitely something that transfers to many skills seamlessly. I've noticed that in the last year of playing Starcraft everyday that my guitar playing has improved even though I play it less. I have more speed and control when I play now.
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ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 21:17:04
June 12 2011 21:15 GMT
#41
On June 12 2011 16:35 ki11z0ne wrote:
any one can have 200+ APM the trick is to make it usufull APM

this.

i think things like asasasasasasa as fast as possible don't help.

useful and high apm comes from alone. the more you play, the better it gets.

i play guitar since > 20 years and my left hand fingers are fast, long and whatever. unfortunately is has nothing, really absolutely nothing to do with useful high apm in sc2.
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
June 12 2011 21:20 GMT
#42
This whole thing more just looks like a list of things you like to do since you think you have fast apm. aka you're just showing off.

It would be more helpful if you provided a means to increase handspeed in a game of sc2, and better yet how to convert that apm potential into meaningful actions. I didn't come here to plug, but honestly the thread I wrote on improving in general [I believe] is a much more effective means of becoming a balanced player, and being a balanced and skilled player includes playing quickly and utilizing high apm, rather than just spamming it with a few fingers. I can't stress enough the difference between spamming some keys mid-game and actually using those actions in a useful manner.
Diderick
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands298 Posts
June 12 2011 21:23 GMT
#43
Someone should pm a link to Goody I think. He will be so good.
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
June 12 2011 21:33 GMT
#44
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.
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Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
June 12 2011 21:42 GMT
#45
3 key rolling -> 600 apm easily
ingame over the course of 20 minutes -> 200 try hard.

when I train rolling more, will I get more ingame apm? no.
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iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
June 12 2011 21:45 GMT
#46
Don't get why people are hating, I am pretty sure cycling through your hatcheries and injecting is alot more beneficial if you can do it at the speed of light like some pros. Same with building units etc. If you can make yourself play faster then why wouldn't you? Just because the exercise is spamming doesn't mean this is a "how to be a pro spammer."

Loved it!
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W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
June 12 2011 22:09 GMT
#47
I have been looking for a way to increase my apm, but this does not seem to help me at all (1600+ masters) and I don't think it would help others.

Being able to press 123123 slightly faster will increase my apm stat, but this is not where "useful apm" comes from. Also it gives you faster hand speed but is it really useful hand speed?

I am still looking for a way to improve my sub-par 150 apm but I don't want it to come from spamming 123123 whenever I find the chance to. Because to me, a perfect game won't give you any of these chances: you want to be spending every moment doing useful actions.

I could see practicing inject/chronoboost keystrokes until they are lightning fast, but it is already in my muscle memory and pretty fast, plus practice comes natural just by playing the game.
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dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 22:13:12
June 12 2011 22:11 GMT
#48
none of those things help you lol.

you need to be making the correct decision. pros are better than amateurs becasue they make more correct decisions on average, APM is just a natural extension of that.

its not that your fingers are slow. its ur brain that is slow.
Jukz
Profile Joined March 2011
Spain17 Posts
June 12 2011 22:17 GMT
#49
Just see how Losira moves his fingers.

He played the piano.
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epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 12 2011 22:32 GMT
#50
That does help I guess, but I grew up with eight years of piano experience and I now play the Trombone, but my APM still is always under 115 for a 500~ Masters Protoss player (no imbalancy jokes on no mechanics or skills please).

I usually set my Nexus to 4 and all my probes (then my scouting probe later on) as 3 when the game starts, and spam 434343434343. I hotkey my first pylon (then Gateway) 2, so I do 43234234. I think a good way to keep your focus and spam on early game (for Protoss and Terran simply) is to hotkey all your workers (just until your first Pylon or Depot) 3, and add the new worker to the group every time one comes out.
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ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
June 12 2011 22:40 GMT
#51
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On June 12 2011 16:22 XDJuicebox wrote:
This isn't about Starcraft 2 specifically, this is a guide on how to separate your fingers, and how to utilize them more effectively. I believe that that is the key to hand speed, seeing as I can 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a in the blink of an eye.

Do note that if you want to get faster at pressing stuff with weights (I.E. pianos), this will not work very well unless you are doing it on something that is weight, like a piano. A keyboard has very little resistance, so doing this on air or against a table will suffice.

Do you frequently get bored at school with nothing to do? At work? On a very long car ride! These are the things that I want you to do. This is quite time consuming.

Hi guys. While I'm only a Platinum Terran, I feel as though I have decent mousespeed, seeing as I can spam up to 1100 APM with 3 fingers in Brood War, and up to 450 in Starcraft 2. Now, I know that doesn't mean much, but I want to share with the world how to improve handspeed, or how I, Juicebox, feel as though it should be done.

Now, when I first started playing Starcraft, I already had a lot of handspeed, seeing as I:

-Grew up playing piano
-Type a lot, and my WPM is around 100 when I'm just doing stuff, and 140 when I'm actually trying
-I play with Rubix Cubes, and my average time is 22 seconds with my fastest being 15.3
-I play the Trumpet, so my index to ring fingers on my right hand are quite fast
-I like to twirl pens between my fingers (still working on getting good at that...I'm awful )

Anyways, the point of this is I spend a lot of time using my fingers for stuff, so my fingers are pretty developed.

Now, I want you to try something.

With your hand parked on the ASDF key, and your thumb on spacebar, how fast can you hit A F S [Spacebar] D?

How fast can you hit A [Spacebar] S F D?

How fast can you hit A D S F D [Spacebar]?

How fast can you spam ASASASASASASASAASAS?
How fast can you spam SDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDS?
How fast can you repeatedly tap the A key? The S key? The D key? The F key?

How fast can you ssddssddssdd?

I can hit those quite fast. I can hit about 8 keys a second, which means about 480 keys per minute if I'm constantly doing it.

Now, the good part.

Introduction

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Finger separation is a very difficult thing to learn. It took me many years to develop, because I never directly tried to develop it. Your body will only know how to do the things that you tell it to do. That is why I can't spam ASASASASASASASAS as fast as I can spam the other keys, because I just never use my pinky that much. But the reason 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a comes up so fast is because I did it like 500 times a day when I played Brood War. (Yes, I hotkeyed scans to 1-3 because 1a2a3a into 4a5a6a was awkward for me)

So if you want to learn finger separation for both hands, just take the drills that I describe and apply it to your right hand. But I'm only going to be working with mouse clicking speed on the right hand, since mouse control is a topic very widely discussed, and I'm sure people have some great advice out there because my own mouse control is terrible ^_^ I do have decent click speed though.


So, drill time!

The Approach

So what we're going to do is we're going to train our fingers to have speed with every order of pressing. We're going to do this with some drills that I made up.

You can do this with a keyboard, a piano, or just tapping your finger against a table. Keyboards don't have that much resistance; pianos do. If you want to be loud as hell like Firebathero, go ahead and do it with a keyboard


Single Finger Tapping

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The very first thing we're going to learn is speed tapping, using one finger at a time to tap the same button as fast as we possibly can.

A common mistake is to just straight out tap repeatedly as much as you can. I don't believe that this develops speed as much as endurance. What I believe develops speed is tapping in a gallop rhythm, or a swing rhythm.

Instead of going tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap
I believe in tap tap [very brief pause] tap tap [pause] tap tap [pause]

I can effectively tap about 8-10 times a second, depending how much adrenaline is running through my system lol.

Do this with every single finger, on both hands. Treat your fingers equally, make sure all 10 fingers have the same speed. You never know when you're going to change your hotkey setup, so it's good to have speed on all fingers.

What I do is I go pinky to thumb twice, then thumb to pinky twice. If you're really bored, do this on both hands at the same time. So what it should look like if you were on ASDF[space], is:

aassddff aassddff ffddssaa ffddssaa

So um yeah...do that for a few weeks and you'll notice your tapping dramatically improve.

This applies especially to your mouse hand as well.


Alternating Between 2 Fingers [3434343434343434]

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Many wonder how to get speed in this regard. You honestly don't really use it that much, but what if you're doing something like 1a2a3a or 4a5a6a? You need speed between different fingers as well, or if you're doing something like 4ss5aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa if you're Terran ;]

The approach is very similar. Instead of continuously going, we will be training the motions in rapid bursts, as to use the most fast twitch in your forearms as we can.

So how this is going to work is that you are going to press 2 buttons, like DF, extremely quickly, briefly pause, and then do it again.

So instead of DFFDFDFDFDFDfDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDF

You're going to go DF [pause] DF [pause] DF [pause] DF [pause]

Btw, I'm having a lot of fun typing this, spamming is so much fun :D

So a routine that I have developed for myself is...

The routine.

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[First button, second button][There is a pause between every single 2-button cycle]

Make sure you do this on both hands at the same time.

-Pinky
-Ring Finger>Pinky
-Middle Finger>Pinky
-Index Finger>Pinky
-Thumb>Pinky
-Ring Finger
-Middle Finger>Ring Finger
-Index Finger>Ring Finger
-Thumb>Ring Finger
-Middle Finger
-Index Finger>Middle Finger
-Thumb>Middle Finger
-Index Finger
-Thumb>Index Finger

Hopefully you understand the pattern ^_^

Now, it is important to have speed in both directions. So we'll do it reversed as well.

-Thumb
-Index Finger>Thumb
-Middle Finger>Thumb
-Ring Finger>Thumb
-Pinky>Thumb
-Index Finger
-Middle Finger>Index Finger
-Ring Finger>Index Finger
-Pinky>Index Finger
-Middle Finger
-Ring Finger>Middle Finger
-Pinky>Middle Finger
-Ring Finger
-Pinky>Ring Finger

You can see how every permutation is practiced. You have to do this a lot. I do this when I'm walking home, because it's 45 minutes of nothing to do, so I kinda just do this as I'm walking, and I get a lot of weird looks, but hey, I can awesome hand speed


If you are using more than 3 fingers in a cycle (5sz6sz7sz), then you really don't need to practice those physically, you just need to practice doing them, because your mind needs to practice this, not your hands.


Practicing Double Tapping [The name that I gave it ] [4455445544554455445544554455]

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So let's say you want to look back at your base really fast, and then right back to your scouting worker. I'm assuming most people hotkey their main building to 4 (even though I hotkey it to 1 because I'm a freak of nature), and hotkey their scouting worker to 1 (I put it on 3...yet again, freak of nature :D)

So, you want to be able to hit 4411 extremely quickly. You'll only get a brief glimpse, but that's all you really need if your mind is fast enough. You don't want your worker to die to that slowlot, that's just embarrassing. You could set some shift-commands, but if you're like me and believe you're too cool for them...

So practicing double tapping between two specific fingers goes as follows.

What I personally find is the best is like the intense part of a metal song.

So let's say 4 is my index finger, and 1 is my ring finger because I don't like to use the pinky. So the way I practice it is:

4411 [pause] 4411 [pause] 44114411 [pause] 4411 [pause] 44114411 [pause]...

Hopefully you see the pattern. Do this for the most important finger combinations that you believe that you will be using. The very first drill works it, but this gives a little bit of an extra boost to it. Like with me, I can go 1122332211223322112233221122332211331133113311331133113311331133
extremely quickly.


Applying This to "Macro Algorithms"

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First of all, what is a macro algorithm? A macro algorithm is something like 4ss5aaaaaaaaaaaaa[tab]dd[tab]dd (again, this is the common setup. With me it would be 1ss2aaaaaaaaaaaaa[tab]dd[tab]dd) or something like 4s5a1, for when you're microing your scouting worker around, but want to make a Marine and SCV really fast.

I practice these things the same way that I practice double tapping. So for 4s5a1, I would go

4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a1 [pause] 4s5a4s5a1...

Yes, the 1's are left out on purpose. That is because there's a rhythm to it, and I'd rather you not break the rhythm. What if you wanted 2 SCVs and 2 marines? It's faster to go 1s2a1s2a3 than it is to go 1ss2aa3. Trust me, switching is faster than double tapping. At least from my experiences they are...

What about working things like 1a2a3a or 4a5a6a?

I like to break it up into pairs, and then do it all together.

So for 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a, I'd go

4a [pause] 5a [pause] 6a [pause] 7a [pause] 8a [pause] 9a [pause] 0a [pause] 4a5a6a7a8a9a0a

And um yeah.


Rolling

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How fast can you go 123123123123123123123123123123123123123? or 123412341234123412341234?

When I do this, I spiked at 450 APM (well I did today, because I was nervous as hell during my HSSTL match lol)

The technique I call rolling, and it doesn't really serve much purpose in game, unless you're checking your base to see what's done and what isn't. That's what I use it for at least.

So to roll, make sure you start on the edge of the hand, and just roll down to the other side. Make sure you do both ways, and make sure you start on every single finger both ways.

So roll from pinky to thumb, ring finger to thumb, etc... and for the other side go thumb to pinky, index finger to pinky, middle finger to pinky, etc....

The reason we don't need to stop it early is because I feel like you get the same practice even if you don't stop it early. So going from ring finger to thumb helps practice ring finger to index finger in my opinion.


Keyboard Sense

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Much like air sense, or water sense, there's a sense for everything. In this case, I'm going to be referring to keyboard sense, or the knowledge of how far the keys from each other on your keyboard. If you've been using a computer for a long time, your left hand might not be acquainted with the distances of the keys on the right side of the keyboard. If you played Brood War, or any amount of Starcraft, they should be. You should be able to reach over there and hit p without looking, and hit it perfectly.

Keyboard sense is important in this case, because you should practice macro algorithms when you get bored, but you need to practice them with the correct spacing between your fingers. This isn't a problem with most people, because if you start on a keyboard, your brain kind of just remembers the spacing between all of the keys, and you'll be golden.

Just bringing this up, because keyboard sense is kind of important :D


So I hope this helped you, and hope that you will one day have super gosu handspeed! :D

And also, let me know if there's anything I should add.



To be honest, This will help you improve your apm from 20-50 and 200+. After you get the hang of using your hands on a keyboard you should have enough dexterity to keep up with your gameplay, it's only when you get so good that you need faster hands to keep up with your mind will this help advanced players.

Having said that I use a technique that could help most ppl. In the beginning of a game players tend to spam the keyboard and hit 300-400 apm for at least the first minute, After that you go into normal mode and have your gameplay apm (140 for me). I am working on improving this by playing against the computer and just constantly trying to keep my apm up to 200 while macroing perfectly w/out having interference from the computer. Once you can keep your apm above 160 while macroing to 200 perfectly then start laddering with it (keep in mind that this should take a while. Even if you can do it almost immediately, you probably won't be rdy to keep your apm up that highe innately). Eventually you will be able to put this apm to good use in game.
Mahtasooma
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany475 Posts
June 12 2011 22:48 GMT
#52

Where exactly does it say you will get banned for using macro keys?
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Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 23:55:21
June 12 2011 23:48 GMT
#53
These are good ideas for warm ups I think, (will be trying them myself in the mornings before I play ) but as Cecil says, fast fingers wont immediately give you fast, meaningful apm. The best way to achieve high meaningful apm is to just practice and refine your mechanics.

Personally I found that my APM skyrocketed simply by knowing what I wanted to do in a game.
Erzz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada184 Posts
June 13 2011 00:57 GMT
#54
On June 13 2011 07:48 Morghaine wrote:

Where exactly does it say you will get banned for using macro keys?


The official Terms of Use that you agreed to when you installed the game.
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 02:35:53
June 13 2011 02:35 GMT
#55
The point of this thread wasn't to make your APM faster; I guess I should've been more specific. It's nothing more than some piano drills modified into something everyone can use, without the weight.

Because these are based off a bunch of piano drills my friend gave me.

The point of this is just to make your hands faster
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 13 2011 02:43 GMT
#56
On June 13 2011 06:20 CecilSunkure wrote:
This whole thing more just looks like a list of things you like to do since you think you have fast apm. aka you're just showing off.

It would be more helpful if you provided a means to increase handspeed in a game of sc2, and better yet how to convert that apm potential into meaningful actions. I didn't come here to plug, but honestly the thread I wrote on improving in general [I believe] is a much more effective means of becoming a balanced player, and being a balanced and skilled player includes playing quickly and utilizing high apm, rather than just spamming it with a few fingers. I can't stress enough the difference between spamming some keys mid-game and actually using those actions in a useful manner.


I think it's still useful to have these kind of exercises to train the hands to be able to perform well. For instance, my ring and pinky fingers are extremely slow and maladroit, and I'd certainly like for them to be able to do what I want to do in a more effective way.
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 02:53:53
June 13 2011 02:52 GMT
#57
On June 13 2011 06:20 CecilSunkure wrote:
This whole thing more just looks like a list of things you like to do since you think you have fast apm. aka you're just showing off.

It would be more helpful if you provided a means to increase handspeed in a game of sc2, and better yet how to convert that apm potential into meaningful actions. I didn't come here to plug, but honestly the thread I wrote on improving in general [I believe] is a much more effective means of becoming a balanced player, and being a balanced and skilled player includes playing quickly and utilizing high apm, rather than just spamming it with a few fingers. I can't stress enough the difference between spamming some keys mid-game and actually using those actions in a useful manner.


I don't think I have fast APM. I KNOW I have fast fingers. The reason I brought APM into this was that I needed to show people that my fingers were fast...and I used APM as a measure, and I specifically said that the APM was from spamming in the beginning of games. I actually only have an average of 150 effective APM in a real game.

I'm not trying to show off, I'm trying to convince people that my fingers are fast, so that they'll actually read the rest of the thread. But since it was such a lengthy read, I'm not sure many people did.

Once again, I used it as a gauge to measure the speed of my fingers, since I can't get my video camera to work for some reason, because no one wants to learn how to move their fingers faster from a guy with slow fingers, right?

This is a guide about increasing finger speed, and I believe Starcraft 2 has some uses for it. I specifically said at the beginning (even before the numerous edits) that this might not specifically relate to Starcraft 2.

This also isn't a thread about "converting that APM potential into meaningful actions," it is simply about just moving your fingers faster. I believe there are many threads out there (including yours) that cover this subject, and I chose not to comment about it because I am not an expert on the subject, and don't want to give people bad advice.

Some people turn all of their APM into effective actions, but their fingers just don't move fast enough. This was written in hopes to remedy that. Just clearing things up
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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 02:58:19
June 13 2011 02:56 GMT
#58
Practice is the best way. The more you know, the less you think and the less you think, the more you do. When you spend time thinking your hands slow down. Doing what's necessary to win instinctively comes from practice and that's why it's the best way.

p.s. op you seem like a troll or very arrogant... not sure which. XD
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 13 2011 03:00 GMT
#59
On June 13 2011 11:56 starcraft911 wrote:
Practice is the best way. The more you know, the less you think and the less you think, the more you do. When you spend time thinking your hands slow down. Doing what's necessary to win instinctively comes from practice and that's why it's the best way.

p.s. op you seem like a troll or very arrogant... not sure which. XD


You're not supposed to do this while playing...I guess I also should have made that a little more obvious.

When you're playing, these things should automatically come in. The best way is, indeed, practice. But let's say you're stuck on the 110 in Los Angeles (and you're not driving)...then this is what you'd do.

I'm a bit of both actually. I like to be a troll, and I'm VERY arrogant.
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Jetsuo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States53 Posts
June 13 2011 03:52 GMT
#60
We have almost the same cubing times - gg <3
TL ruined my life...
Rybread
Profile Joined September 2010
62 Posts
June 13 2011 04:05 GMT
#61
LOL @ the comments about APM. I'm not sure they even read it. I read it, one time I was doing this (before I read this thread, just doing like 4q4qq4qqq (4 hatch, qq drones with GRID hotkeys ))
My dad was like "Practicing piano?" I was like "...Starcraft hotkeys" he was like ">"
Rybread
Profile Joined September 2010
62 Posts
June 13 2011 04:06 GMT
#62
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 13 2011 04:25 GMT
#63
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM


So true!!!

By the way, can anyone here play "Flight of the Bumblebee" decently? Some of the drills my friend gave me for the song are what the drills here are based on lol
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SonSon
Profile Joined June 2011
United States106 Posts
June 13 2011 04:35 GMT
#64
Thanks for this wonderful info OP. Trying it now.
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 13 2011 04:49 GMT
#65
Guys I made the video! Will attempt to put on computer...
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ZarMulix
Profile Joined October 2010
United States77 Posts
June 13 2011 11:24 GMT
#66
On June 13 2011 13:25 XDJuicebox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM


So true!!!

By the way, can anyone here play "Flight of the Bumblebee" decently? Some of the drills my friend gave me for the song are what the drills here are based on lol

On guitar, but I don't really play piano.
MuffinCookie
Profile Joined February 2011
China64 Posts
June 13 2011 12:27 GMT
#67
Freak of nature? What is this nonsense?

You sir, are completely awesome. I'm apparently a weird zerg, because I set all my hatcheries on 1, all my queens on 2, my scouting overlord on 3, and my army/tech on from 4-7.

With these exercises, I might be able to finally reach 8-9. :D
Zoom out, and then zoom back in.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 13 2011 13:32 GMT
#68
On June 13 2011 21:27 MuffinCookie wrote:
Freak of nature? What is this nonsense?

You sir, are completely awesome. I'm apparently a weird zerg, because I set all my hatcheries on 1, all my queens on 2, my scouting overlord on 3, and my army/tech on from 4-7.

With these exercises, I might be able to finally reach 8-9. :D


Don't feel weird, I'm pretty sure that some BW pros did the same thing with their army being on 4-7.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
June 13 2011 13:56 GMT
#69
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.
~
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 14:07:27
June 13 2011 14:03 GMT
#70
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


Yes there is no better way to get better at starcraft but to play starcraft.....

But eventaully once your good enough your hands may not be able to move as fast as your thoughts.
Example: Your microing two places at once but still need to macro. There is no way that you can handle that with slow hands. Your right though this isnt a #1 priority for improving for starcraft but the guide still has merit

Edit*
Hand speed and apm are different. You can have fast hands and have low apm. You can perform less actions faster. On the other side you can have high apm but have much slower hands. Hand speed isn`t spamming hotkeys. The reason the pros spam hotkeys at the start of the match is to keep their hands warm so their able to move fast on their keyboards when they need to do actual movements
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 14 2011 00:35 GMT
#71
On June 13 2011 23:03 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


Yes there is no better way to get better at starcraft but to play starcraft.....

But eventaully once your good enough your hands may not be able to move as fast as your thoughts.
Example: Your microing two places at once but still need to macro. There is no way that you can handle that with slow hands. Your right though this isnt a #1 priority for improving for starcraft but the guide still has merit

Edit*
Hand speed and apm are different. You can have fast hands and have low apm. You can perform less actions faster. On the other side you can have high apm but have much slower hands. Hand speed isn`t spamming hotkeys. The reason the pros spam hotkeys at the start of the match is to keep their hands warm so their able to move fast on their keyboards when they need to do actual movements


Yeah...the point of this thread wasn't to make you a better Starcraft player, it was just to make you have fast hands.

I'll put you on the <3 list for that :D
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 14 2011 00:50 GMT
#72
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I haven't gotten RSI yet, but that's probably because I take really good care of my wrists because my piano teacher makes me lol. Guess I should've written that up here.

These exercises were derived from piano exercises that my friend gave me, because I noticed they dramatically improved my playing, so I thought I could share them with you guys. Could you mash your way to 450 APM with just your ring finger and pinky? I'd like to see this.

This isn't about how fast you play the game, it's about how fast you actually do the things. Not how fast you can transition between them, or how many things your mind tells you to do.

For example, it's me getting you to build a pylon faster, or to hotkey your units faster.

There is indeed no better practice than playing the game. If you actually read the entire thread, it says somewhere that these are for you to do when you're stuck in traffic, super bored, etc...

Not trying to be big meanie, I just happen to come off as one a lot :/
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Snod
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia27 Posts
June 14 2011 01:02 GMT
#73
This gives me something useful to do while reading TL at work.
www.twitch.tv/thesnod
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 14 2011 03:18 GMT
#74
Snod

By the way, can someone tell me more about Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and how it comes with Starcraft 2?
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Stipulation
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States587 Posts
June 14 2011 03:25 GMT
#75
Thanks for contributing Juicbox. I like the way you think. If I'm ever not driving while I'm in a car I'll think of this. Heck I might just do this while I drive
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
June 14 2011 03:27 GMT
#76
sweet guide, i have always had fast hand speed though =] from years of playing Counter strike to help with my reactions and brood war
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
June 14 2011 04:43 GMT
#77
Awesome OP. So yea my hands hurt now. WTF
ponyo.848
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 14 2011 05:02 GMT
#78
On June 14 2011 13:43 Ponyo wrote:
Awesome OP. So yea my hands hurt now. WTF


How do they hurt? Like what kind of pain?

Because you're not supposed to put a lot of force behind it...just to do the motion fast. And don't do this for like 8 hours straight...even elite piano players take breaks
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Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
June 15 2011 00:28 GMT
#79
Here's a simple little python app I made for myself:
Pretty straight forward, type the pattern you want to match in the top box and repeat it til your fingers are sore in the bottom box.

[image loading]

http://codepad.org/SmZPcLvD
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
7sk
Profile Joined August 2010
United States55 Posts
June 15 2011 00:43 GMT
#80
Awesome guide - Interestingly I'm teaching myself to play piano and I feel my handspeed in game increasing as I improve at piano. I guess they are both keyboards ;]
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
June 15 2011 01:08 GMT
#81
That kind of tutorial is something I really needed!! i mean, I am so slow at typing in general, Thanks a lot OP, and if you can also get a video online, it would be perfect. Bookmarked
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
June 15 2011 01:36 GMT
#82
I started doing these exercises yesterday so I can't wait to see if my hands become quicker.
GET SM4SHED
rust.oxide
Profile Joined May 2010
United States94 Posts
June 15 2011 04:56 GMT
#83
I don't get all the haters. My hands are not that nimble and I can't 1t2t3t (i use grid) well and it definitely is holding my play back.

I was looking around for good exercises, thank you for this!
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 15 2011 05:27 GMT
#84
Does anyone know what to do with that Python code thing? I really want to try it
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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
June 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#85
There are more useful ways to improve your nimbleness/finger speed.

+ Show Spoiler +
Ladies and Gentlemen, if you learn to play this piece... well, either you fail miserably, or your speed and precision will skyrocket:
http://www.911tabs.com/link/?2222413
yiodee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States137 Posts
June 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#86
OP you are awesome :D

i always kinda did a simpler version of that and only for my right hand. So my macro still sucks. Hell! Even now I still type using only my index and middle fingers LOL

So I just wanted to add that the keyboard has 4 rows of keys and that it is also important to kinda train for the depth of the keyboard

So I have a suggestion, instead of the pauses you could move from the first row of keys to the second row of keys, and continue to use the pauses to change levels.

So like if you wanna train the left hand index and middle fingers, you could go something like:
cv [move fingers/hand] df [move fingers/hand] er [move fingers/hand] 34,

instead of just doing the df pause df pause df pause, etc

hope this helps
bLecK
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia625 Posts
June 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#87
Wow great thread. Yet to try out all your drills, though some 'training' in spare time is better than none at all
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Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
June 15 2011 10:45 GMT
#88
I stopped APM spamming in early-game because my hands get hurt. Better give them as much rest as you can during a longer ladder session
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
June 15 2011 10:48 GMT
#89
Good way in learning how to increase your efficiency.

Playing piano is an added advantage for sure.

But i think what is most important is can u really sync with the game and keyboard.

If u can't, u just can't do it.

BigHeadYoony
Profile Joined November 2010
United States92 Posts
June 15 2011 12:57 GMT
#90
On June 12 2011 16:31 XDJuicebox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 16:29 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:
just use a macro key on the razer marauder keyboard...


Not to be a troll, but how does a macro key work? Do you press it and like it does a series of button pushing for you?


it would be a violation to blizzard rules though
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 13:04:09
June 15 2011 13:03 GMT
#91
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.
❤Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ✿
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
June 15 2011 16:53 GMT
#92
On June 15 2011 14:27 XDJuicebox wrote:
Does anyone know what to do with that Python code thing? I really want to try it


Here's the same thing naively converted into an exe with py2exe.

Just extract and run handspeed.exe and you shouldn't have to install python or anything.

http://goo.gl/M32kx
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
thexmarine
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway3 Posts
June 15 2011 17:35 GMT
#93
this is a good guide, honestly. The only thing you must remember is that this is something you might just use years to learn effectively. I didnt play brood war, and im not terribly good at sc2, some might call me terribad -_-. The real point however is that this is a tool you can use to take you to the next level if you have stopped developing as a player. Laddering will help you practice a lot of things, but the main mechanics, yourself, is done outside of the game.

Personally, i dont think this has so much value untill you are at least platinum+ leagues, because then you have developed some skills in the game of starcraft and know how it all works. Im still gonna do it though xD
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
June 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#94
On June 13 2011 03:07 Shucks! wrote:
Idra's apm on average is not 100-140, its 200-240.


I watched the replays from Idra vs MC at MLG Columbus and Idra's APM averaged a consistent 180 while MC was over 300.
Any hive cluster that would trade a little economy to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both
yiodee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States137 Posts
June 15 2011 20:35 GMT
#95
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


I respectfully agree and disagree. I am a high diamond player who knows enough about zerg to always keep me busy in game. But I don't have the hand speed to keep up with my head, I take too long to give commands and I can't always do what I want and what I know i should be doing.

These exercises are just what I needed. And they are perfect because you use them during down times(when riding the bus, etc), you are not sacrificing game time because of them
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#96
On June 16 2011 05:04 philipov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 03:07 Shucks! wrote:
Idra's apm on average is not 100-140, its 200-240.


I watched the replays from Idra vs MC at MLG Columbus and Idra's APM averaged a consistent 180 while MC was over 300.


MC spams army, IdrA doesn't.

Mistery solved!!
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 15 2011 21:06 GMT
#97
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


We don't have gaming as our full time jobs. We don't have as much time as they do to get better at this game. Now, there are times where we're not going anything, and this is a substitute for playing if you do not have access to me. Please read the entire thread before making me feel bad about myself :/

On the other hand, much <3's to everyone else! :D
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 15 2011 21:10 GMT
#98
On June 16 2011 05:35 yiodee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


I respectfully agree and disagree. I am a high diamond player who knows enough about zerg to always keep me busy in game.


Then you are doing the wrong things.

Stephano and Nerchio, what do these 2 Zergs have in common?

a) They are amongst the best players in Europe.
b) Their specific zerg macro mechanics are awful.

They both get to 200 energy on their queens VERY fast. Nerchio doesn't even have an inject method, he just goes back to his base and injects manually. In almost every game Stephano falls behind in supply. You don't need hand-speed to be amongst the best, you need brains, experience and game-sense. I've played against 350 APM players that were in diamond and I'm awfully slow too, about 90 APM and I'm in masters (no practice ^_~).

The best way to improve at the game is to play and think about it. Don't delude yourself with this handspeed crap. Hell, SjoW was #1 on European ladder with 80 APM, I don't even know why you would take advice from a platinum player that prides himself in being able to spam 450 APM at the start of the game.
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 15 2011 21:15 GMT
#99
On June 16 2011 06:06 XDJuicebox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


We don't have gaming as our full time jobs. We don't have as much time as they do to get better at this game. Now, there are times where we're not going anything, and this is a substitute for playing if you do not have access to me. Please read the entire thread before making me feel bad about myself :/

On the other hand, much <3's to everyone else! :D


Don't feel bad, I'm posting because I don't want people running around talking about APM. I wish that stat didn't even exist. How fast a player truly is you can see best through FPVoDs and second best through replays. If you worded this thread as "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble", I wouldn't have any problems with it. But as is, many many people see this thread and it furthers their understanding of fast hands = important = better player.

The real speed that you need to break into top 10 GrandMasters can only be achieved through practice and no other exercises will help with it. Any time trying to improve before that level is best spent thinking about strategies or executing strategies (this is a strategy game after all)
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 15 2011 21:21 GMT
#100
On June 16 2011 06:15 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 06:06 XDJuicebox wrote:
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


We don't have gaming as our full time jobs. We don't have as much time as they do to get better at this game. Now, there are times where we're not going anything, and this is a substitute for playing if you do not have access to me. Please read the entire thread before making me feel bad about myself :/

On the other hand, much <3's to everyone else! :D


Don't feel bad, I'm posting because I don't want people running around talking about APM. I wish that stat didn't even exist. How fast a player truly is you can see best through FPVoDs and second best through replays. If you worded this thread as "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble", I wouldn't have any problems with it. But as is, many many people see this thread and it furthers their understanding of fast hands = important = better player.

The real speed that you need to break into top 10 GrandMasters can only be achieved through practice and no other exercises will help with it. Any time trying to improve before that level is best spent thinking about strategies or executing strategies (this is a strategy game after all)


That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
KLooLESS
Profile Joined June 2011
United States11 Posts
June 15 2011 21:40 GMT
#101
Haha, this is actually pretty awesome. This might be a good way to ingrain some things that should be "muscle memory" into our fingers. Gotta try it out sometime, thanks for the post
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spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
June 15 2011 22:09 GMT
#102
i prefer playing epic solos in rockband, much funner than spamming a keyboard.
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 23:46:56
June 15 2011 22:26 GMT
#103
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.
Any hive cluster that would trade a little economy to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
June 15 2011 23:54 GMT
#104
I want to elaborate on something from above. If you want to train your fingers, it's actually crucial that you also train your forearm and really your entire arm. Try wiggling your pinky and look at your elbow. You can see quite clearly that the motion of the pinky is controlled by muscles all the way up to your elbow. How could you possibly have strong fingers if you don't have strong forearms? And how can you have strong forearms when you don't have a strong upper arm?

In the worst case, you could injury yourself because the muscle groups you're trying to train depend on muscle groups you haven't trained and are too weak to handle the stress.
Any hive cluster that would trade a little economy to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both
iChau
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:36:39
June 16 2011 03:31 GMT
#105
On June 15 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:56 uSnAmplified wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:06 Rybread wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:33 uSnAmplified wrote:
No offense but you even say yourself you are platinum, learning to span faster is not the key to being good at this game, APM is worthless if their is no meaningful action behind it.


It's not about APM it's about hand speed. Did you even read it. Brain speed + Hand Speed = Good APM
Your serious? You don't need to practice hand speed by mashing keys, all this guide is doing for you is a quick trip to RSI. I could pick any combination of my hotkeys and mash away to 450 apm blindly, it means absolutely nothing.

"speed" comes with knowing what you are doing, if you play often and pick up on more of what you should be doing, your hands will follow suit as you learn what they need to be doing. Anybody can reach the required APM to be a masters level player, or possibly above as is.

Hand speed, APM whatever you want to call it for the guides sake, is just an trap people get caught in trying to be fast like the "pros" and looking for a way to improve without actually playing the game.

There is no better practice then playing the game, period.


I agree with this post so much.

There's thousands of Koreans whose FULL TIME JOB it is to become better at the game. What do they do? Do they any stupid APM / hand speed exercises? No! They friggin play the game until it is ingrained into their brains, until they instinctively know what to do next.

I could explain it but the quote above already does that perfectly well.


Are we Korean pros? Do we have that extra edge by being Korean? Is it weird in the US to play Starcraft 2 constantly at a young age?


On June 16 2011 07:26 philipov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.


I agree with the 1st paragraph.

Also, I type faster with my right hand, but I can't remember the letters on that side of the keyboard.

btw I'm trying this out and so far I'm liking it. I have found a lot of problems with my left hand so far..
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 16 2011 06:09 GMT
#106
On June 16 2011 07:26 philipov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.


I forced myself to become ambidextrous a few years ago. I think that might be another reason...my right hand (I'm a lefty, so yeah) is just as powerful as my left,I can write decently on it.

When I'm intensely writing an essay, if my left arm burns out, I toss the pencil into the other hand and use that lol. It's pretty great, I must say. Except my teacher looks at the paper, and like half of it is really neat and half of it is like 5th grade writing lol
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
June 16 2011 06:21 GMT
#107
On June 16 2011 15:09 XDJuicebox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 07:26 philipov wrote:
On June 16 2011 06:21 XDJuicebox wrote:
That was the idea of the thread, "Hey here's something you can do while you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble" was exactly it. I guess I'm just not good at wording :/


Don't blame yourself. You couldn't have worded it any better. It's some people that are bad at comprehension and just turn every discussion into bashing the pet peeve that sounds most similar to some word you used.

As a matter of fact, I've been using the method you outline myself for a while now to train my left hand to attempt to become more ambidextrous. Really love this post because it puts down a good template for what I've already been doing. Only thing is, I usually coordinate my tapping exercises to the rhythm of very high BPM music, and I also focus on the wrist and upper forearm (by tapping between the palm and thumb).

Note that my stated goal here is not to improve APM, but to train the nerves in my hand to become ambidextrous. Increased -effective- APM is simply a side effect of having better coordination and keyboard control. I've been noticing that when I type as fast as I possibly can, I end up shuffling letters around and I think this is caused by my right hand being much faster than my left and going out of sync as they race to put down the keys assigned the them.

Imagine how hard it would be to run a race if one of your legs was significantly atrophied.

EDIT: Refactored paragraph structure.


I forced myself to become ambidextrous a few years ago. I think that might be another reason...my right hand (I'm a lefty, so yeah) is just as powerful as my left,I can write decently on it.

When I'm intensely writing an essay, if my left arm burns out, I toss the pencil into the other hand and use that lol. It's pretty great, I must say. Except my teacher looks at the paper, and like half of it is really neat and half of it is like 5th grade writing lol


Lol, I am also a left-handed and worked to become ambidextrous and sadly enough... My writing with my left hand looks like a 5th graders I guess I have been using the computer for so long that I never really needed to learn how to write things for other people.

Back on topic- I think that the OP's advice is good and perfectly fine but tbh... Just actively working on your dexterity in any way will show improvements. Hopefully this will help people that would like an outline of steps outside of the actual computer.

One thing that I am interested in getting better at is my mouse control. I typically find that I have good mouse control but as always I want to improve. Does anyone know of some good games or programs that help you with your mouse control? Obviously playing sc will do that but still... I guess a possible answer that I would be looking for is custom games in sc (but mainly looking for flash games or w/e to work on mouse movement).
RRjr
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 10:48:58
June 16 2011 10:26 GMT
#108
On June 13 2011 02:57 Geniuszerg wrote:
personally i think the best way to improve hand speed is the play the game.. theres no point having high apm if you suck, harsh, but kinda the truth

No. The guy mentioned like 6 gazillion times that this is not about APM per se. It's about improving the speed of your hands.

If you want to become faster with your fingers you have to apply some training method. Just playing the game doesn't cut it. If you wanna become really fast, especially with your ring and pinky, it's going to take a lot of training. If you play any sort of instrument you'll know that it takes lifelong practice. Your hands have to stay in training pretty much constantly.

That said: Get a Powerball!

Only training your fingers isn't enough. You have to train the muscles that support and lead your fingers. If you really examine your movements, you'll see that most of them are actually driven by the lower muscles in your forearm. A powerball trains those muscles directly. Make them stronger and your fingers will become faster.

Powerballs are also great at preventing RSI. And you can show them to chicks and ask them to look at your shiny powerballs...

In the worst case, you could injury yourself because the muscle groups you're trying to train depend on muscle groups you haven't trained and are too weak to handle the stress.

Yeah but that absolutely worst case. You'd have to do some sick shit to really injure yourself.

If you do drills responsibly, a little pain is actually normal. This level of excercise makes your muscles grow. They gradually adjust and grow to get rid of that pain. But yeah, you gotta know the limits and they're really easy to gauge: If it hurts a little that's okay. If it hurst more than a little you're doing it wrong. If you feel pain as in "ouch!" you need to stop what you're doing immediately. When doing finger drills and exercises I wouldn't recommend going beyond the hour. I found it' just not useful to do more.

And again: Get a Powerball. It's great especially when you've been playing for longer periods. Just fire it up for a minute or two and you'll notice your entire arm feels much better. RSI is a bitch. You wanna do what you can to avoid it.
yeah.... whatever
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
June 16 2011 13:22 GMT
#109
Only problem I have is I've become used to typing with mainly my index and middle fingers on each hand, occasionally using my ring fingers, but my little fingers and ring fingers just feel so weak and this means that I cannot efficiently touch type or play SC2 as well as I could. How can I get used to using all 8 fingers when typing/playing? Any links/videos/techniques would be really helpful.
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
RRjr
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany40 Posts
June 16 2011 13:34 GMT
#110
On June 16 2011 22:22 Mackem wrote:
Only problem I have is I've become used to typing with mainly my index and middle fingers on each hand, occasionally using my ring fingers, but my little fingers and ring fingers just feel so weak and this means that I cannot efficiently touch type or play SC2 as well as I could. How can I get used to using all 8 fingers when typing/playing? Any links/videos/techniques would be really helpful.

Common problem.

Just do some of the drills presented in the OP as regularly as you can and get comfortable with the fact that if you really want to improve dexterity on your ring & pinky it takes time.

Also, as I said, get a Powerball or some other device to train your forearm. This is important. If you don't believe me just hover your left hand over your keyboard and tap a key with your pinky for just a few minutes. You'll notice the stress in the inner muscles of your forearm quickly, because those muscles are most active when you tap your pinky.
Strengthening them will allow you to apply much more force when tapping your pinky, giving you that much mroe control and speed.
yeah.... whatever
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
June 16 2011 14:03 GMT
#111
I think I may have to get a Powerball and work on my hand/finger placement on the keyboard. Should be buying my mechanical keyboard soon as well, should be a big help.
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
Strykerz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
June 16 2011 14:45 GMT
#112
I think it may just be a genetic thing for me, but my fingers are incredibly fast. When I type, error free, I've averaged 280 WPM, I also play a guitar and very fast solos are cake for me, also learning the piano. All my life I've tapped insanely fast on my desks at school just doing random patterns, and now implimenting them in starcraft has made my life incredibly easy.

It's all in the tips! ^-^
#MKPHwaiting #xOGaming
Ineffability~
Profile Joined February 2011
84 Posts
June 16 2011 15:45 GMT
#113
I just spamming `1`2`3`4`5`6(use ` for control group 1) in the beginning of my games
KyouKyou
Profile Joined September 2010
2 Posts
June 16 2011 15:56 GMT
#114
Just play gunz. If you can play gunz at a decent level, you already have way more precision and speed than you'll ever need on sc2. Pressing 14 keys in a second in a very precise order, speed and timing (unlike mindless hotkey spam) is common. That game probably has the highest skillcap of any video game ever made. Even after 7 years, people still struggle to execute basic maneuvers. We're talking about a game played professionally in korea (albeit the game is getting old and a lot of pros moved on).

I'd try some of the exercises in the op but I already have wrist pain from tennis. Computer games are relaxing for me and I intend to keep it that way. =]
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
June 16 2011 18:50 GMT
#115
The only difference I've noticed so far is my ring and pinky fingers improving.
GET SM4SHED
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
June 16 2011 20:10 GMT
#116
On June 17 2011 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
The only difference I've noticed so far is my ring and pinky fingers improving.


Those being your weakest fingers, I think it's natural that they would be the ones that showed the greatest degree of improvement and that would make it hard to notice the smaller amount of improvement in your already more developed fingers.
Any hive cluster that would trade a little economy to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both
.Mthex-
Profile Joined May 2011
United States168 Posts
June 16 2011 23:26 GMT
#117
Interesting, new tactic to try to keep me awake during physics class. Oh how I will have such serious carpool tunnel as an adult.
"If you tricked him, then he is tricked" - Artosis
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 17 2011 01:06 GMT
#118
On June 17 2011 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
The only difference I've noticed so far is my ring and pinky fingers improving.


Yeah, sounds about right.
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
June 17 2011 02:00 GMT
#119
Juicebox, you mentioned you take good care of your hands, what kind of exercises do you do? I do a few now but I wondered what other ones you might do for finger/wrist health. I've had a little trouble with my wrists before.
GET SM4SHED
SoniStreet
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia98 Posts
June 17 2011 06:57 GMT
#120
I have 200 average APM, top Diamond atm, and there is one thing I don't like about it, part of my APM is re-hotkeying units 24/7, i have bad habbit of pressing ctrl+the group i have selected, for example i select my banelings with 2, then pres ctrl-2 mil-second later, and i do this for everything, useless as hell but I can't stop it, I have to think about not doing it, when I stop - the habit kicks back and I go again, 1.. ctrl-1, 5 inject larva ctrl-5 and so on.
Do the thing you fear and the death of fear is certain
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#121
On June 17 2011 11:00 Glockateer wrote:
Juicebox, you mentioned you take good care of your hands, what kind of exercises do you do? I do a few now but I wondered what other ones you might do for finger/wrist health. I've had a little trouble with my wrists before.


I do they Day[9] wrist stretches, and I massage my wrists and forearms like every hour.
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
Leoneri
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
June 17 2011 23:37 GMT
#122
Looks like a great guide!
I used to solve Rubik's Cubes too..I was sub-20 avg. before I quit with a fastest solve (PLL skip) of ~13 seconds.
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 18 2011 02:17 GMT
#123
On June 18 2011 08:37 Leoneri wrote:
Looks like a great guide!
I used to solve Rubik's Cubes too..I was sub-20 avg. before I quit with a fastest solve (PLL skip) of ~13 seconds.


I'm soooo bad at finding the next step...that was too hard for me lol
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
Leoneri
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
June 18 2011 05:27 GMT
#124
Haha yeah...I'm really bad now though, I can't even solve 100% of the time. I forgot pretty much every OLL and PLL.
Intricate1
Profile Joined May 2011
169 Posts
June 18 2011 05:49 GMT
#125
xdJuiceBox, I have the name of the concept you've been trying to get at in response to all the haters in this thread. Not too surprising they dont understand because I've only seen it discussed in one place before.

Execution speed is a factor that really
di erentiates pros from amateurs and others from those a level or few lower, yet it is scarcely talked about
at all


This is from Ver's classic thread "How To Improve"
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/stet_tcl/How_to_Improve_by_Ver.pdf

Execution Speed

+ Show Spoiler +
Execution Speed
The most important area of multitasking is that of execution speed. Execution speed is a factor that really
di erentiates pros from amateurs and others from those a level or few lower, yet it is scarcely talked about
at all. The easiest way to understand is with a demonstration. Take for example mid to lategame TvZ, right
after swarm is out and the Zerg is busy securing their 4th gas. During this period one approach is to pressure
the Zerg enough so that the Zerg makes a mistake or leaves an opening that can be exploited. Should the
Terran not do any damage before the Zerg can start pumping out 4 gas ultra/ling, the Terran ends up at a
mild to severe disadvantage. Ergo the Terran will naturally march around between various points of entry
throwing irradiates, killing isolated units and sunkens, sieging up, and dropping the 3rd or the main. The
primary factor in deciding victory in this scenario is which side is faster.
If you want proof, go through the best pro TvZ'ers and look at their games in this section of the game.
In virtually every single example you will be unable to point to more than a few second window (at most)
where their army is idle. Some infantry may be providing scourge cover for Vessels to irradiate a de ler
or lurkers, other infantry might be denying an expansion or forcing a dark swarm, but something is always
happening. What is more, the Terran army never sits still even if it is not attacking. It provides pressure
by moving constantly, forcing the Zerg to be uncertain to the timing and intentions of his opponent. If the
Zerg is not prepared for the speed of the Terran's movements, some aspect of their defense will be open and
they will either die or get crippled. So not only is it important to be able to initiate the movements at a
non-stop rate, but you also must be able to react to high-speed movements as well. If not, that very same
Terran player might nd themselves victim to a terrifying plague or
ank that just came a second earlier
than they expected. When you look at games of weaker players in the above scenario, you'll see how their
armies stop moving quite often, they don't make enough threats, they don't put on enough pressure; in fact,
they just seem to sit around often. Without the direct pro comparison it doesn't seem that abnormal, but
the di erence between an army sitting in the middle and an army ghting on your doorstep is worlds apart
to the opponent. Should you pit that slower amateur against a pro, the pro could simply win, irregardless
of every other skill, simply by striking faster and more often than his opponent is prepared to handle.
Execution speed is often the factor in many losses attributed to other causes. Think back to some of the
games that you might have lost where the deciding factor was that swarm blocking a winning attack at the
last moment, that Terran army that attacks too quickly and emps your arbiter a second before you are ready
to strike, or the Protoss army that attacks out of the black and crushes your hydralisks because you didn't
have the time to organize them for battle. Once you get to a (not particularly high) level where everyone
has great macro, everybody's micro is solid, and awareness is nice, execution speed is the main mechanical
skill that di erentiates great from good.
Improving this all-important attribute is going to be gradual, and oftentimes enough from the results
18of improving the rest of your skills. Practicing with a concentrated e ort to move your armies faster and
faster will obviously help propel this along, but that alone will not do it. In order to increase the speed and
e ectiveness of your attacks, you will also need to have the knowledge of what kind of movement, where to
move, and when to move all down subconsciously. This will be acquired both from studying progames and
from your own experience.
Lastly, one nal approach that may help is playing from the other point of view. A Terran player working
on ZvT or vice versa is a particularly great case because of how important execution speed and reaction is in
both sides of that matchup. By doing this, you will get to experience directly just how important execution
speed is. You will lose many times over to those mm that strike right before your defense is entirely setup,
or the lurker/ling that rams into your natural under swarm while you are still assembling your army. An
even greater way to experience this factor and gain insight on how to improve your own play, short of ndng
a practice partner of much higher skill, is to play against a team melee team. As one person is always
controlling the army, it will be abundantly clear how much bene t they reap simply from always being able
to move their forces faster than you have experienced.
As we can see every mechanical aspect requires both knowing what to do and actually doing it. One is
a knowledge component gained from both experience and careful studying of pros, the other is a mechan-
ical/subconscious component gained purely from experience. Of all the mechanical skills, multitasking is
the most dependant on experience and repitition. The shortcuts come from knowing what to do; the rest
depends on doing the same things over and over and slowly optimizing them.
Multitasking requires:
1. Understanding exactly what you are doing and why (study/experience)
2. Becoming so familiar with every action that the process becomes subconscious (practice)
3. Optimizing your actions to focus on the most important while ignoring the trivial (experience)
4. Becoming extremely aware of the minimap (practice/experience)
5. Force yourself to become faster by playing against opponents who punish you severely if you don't
(practice)
6. Improving your execution speed (study, experience, practice


Hopefully the title is enough to make it click in their heads but if not heres a highlight from the post.

Once you get to a (not particularly high) level where everyone
has great macro, everybody's micro is solid, and awareness is nice, execution speed is the main mechanical
skill that di erentiates great from good.

HuH? Wait what!? not macro, micro or awareness related....


PS- guide is great, been looking to improve in this area for too long now. Thanks for the unique content.
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 18 2011 15:19 GMT
#126
On June 18 2011 14:49 Intricate1 wrote:
xdJuiceBox, I have the name of the concept you've been trying to get at in response to all the haters in this thread. Not too surprising they dont understand because I've only seen it discussed in one place before.

Show nested quote +
Execution speed is a factor that really
di erentiates pros from amateurs and others from those a level or few lower, yet it is scarcely talked about
at all


This is from Ver's classic thread "How To Improve"
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/stet_tcl/How_to_Improve_by_Ver.pdf

Execution Speed

+ Show Spoiler +
Execution Speed
The most important area of multitasking is that of execution speed. Execution speed is a factor that really
di erentiates pros from amateurs and others from those a level or few lower, yet it is scarcely talked about
at all. The easiest way to understand is with a demonstration. Take for example mid to lategame TvZ, right
after swarm is out and the Zerg is busy securing their 4th gas. During this period one approach is to pressure
the Zerg enough so that the Zerg makes a mistake or leaves an opening that can be exploited. Should the
Terran not do any damage before the Zerg can start pumping out 4 gas ultra/ling, the Terran ends up at a
mild to severe disadvantage. Ergo the Terran will naturally march around between various points of entry
throwing irradiates, killing isolated units and sunkens, sieging up, and dropping the 3rd or the main. The
primary factor in deciding victory in this scenario is which side is faster.
If you want proof, go through the best pro TvZ'ers and look at their games in this section of the game.
In virtually every single example you will be unable to point to more than a few second window (at most)
where their army is idle. Some infantry may be providing scourge cover for Vessels to irradiate a de ler
or lurkers, other infantry might be denying an expansion or forcing a dark swarm, but something is always
happening. What is more, the Terran army never sits still even if it is not attacking. It provides pressure
by moving constantly, forcing the Zerg to be uncertain to the timing and intentions of his opponent. If the
Zerg is not prepared for the speed of the Terran's movements, some aspect of their defense will be open and
they will either die or get crippled. So not only is it important to be able to initiate the movements at a
non-stop rate, but you also must be able to react to high-speed movements as well. If not, that very same
Terran player might nd themselves victim to a terrifying plague or
ank that just came a second earlier
than they expected. When you look at games of weaker players in the above scenario, you'll see how their
armies stop moving quite often, they don't make enough threats, they don't put on enough pressure; in fact,
they just seem to sit around often. Without the direct pro comparison it doesn't seem that abnormal, but
the di erence between an army sitting in the middle and an army ghting on your doorstep is worlds apart
to the opponent. Should you pit that slower amateur against a pro, the pro could simply win, irregardless
of every other skill, simply by striking faster and more often than his opponent is prepared to handle.
Execution speed is often the factor in many losses attributed to other causes. Think back to some of the
games that you might have lost where the deciding factor was that swarm blocking a winning attack at the
last moment, that Terran army that attacks too quickly and emps your arbiter a second before you are ready
to strike, or the Protoss army that attacks out of the black and crushes your hydralisks because you didn't
have the time to organize them for battle. Once you get to a (not particularly high) level where everyone
has great macro, everybody's micro is solid, and awareness is nice, execution speed is the main mechanical
skill that di erentiates great from good.
Improving this all-important attribute is going to be gradual, and oftentimes enough from the results
18of improving the rest of your skills. Practicing with a concentrated e ort to move your armies faster and
faster will obviously help propel this along, but that alone will not do it. In order to increase the speed and
e ectiveness of your attacks, you will also need to have the knowledge of what kind of movement, where to
move, and when to move all down subconsciously. This will be acquired both from studying progames and
from your own experience.
Lastly, one nal approach that may help is playing from the other point of view. A Terran player working
on ZvT or vice versa is a particularly great case because of how important execution speed and reaction is in
both sides of that matchup. By doing this, you will get to experience directly just how important execution
speed is. You will lose many times over to those mm that strike right before your defense is entirely setup,
or the lurker/ling that rams into your natural under swarm while you are still assembling your army. An
even greater way to experience this factor and gain insight on how to improve your own play, short of ndng
a practice partner of much higher skill, is to play against a team melee team. As one person is always
controlling the army, it will be abundantly clear how much bene t they reap simply from always being able
to move their forces faster than you have experienced.
As we can see every mechanical aspect requires both knowing what to do and actually doing it. One is
a knowledge component gained from both experience and careful studying of pros, the other is a mechan-
ical/subconscious component gained purely from experience. Of all the mechanical skills, multitasking is
the most dependant on experience and repitition. The shortcuts come from knowing what to do; the rest
depends on doing the same things over and over and slowly optimizing them.
Multitasking requires:
1. Understanding exactly what you are doing and why (study/experience)
2. Becoming so familiar with every action that the process becomes subconscious (practice)
3. Optimizing your actions to focus on the most important while ignoring the trivial (experience)
4. Becoming extremely aware of the minimap (practice/experience)
5. Force yourself to become faster by playing against opponents who punish you severely if you don't
(practice)
6. Improving your execution speed (study, experience, practice


Hopefully the title is enough to make it click in their heads but if not heres a highlight from the post.

Show nested quote +
Once you get to a (not particularly high) level where everyone
has great macro, everybody's micro is solid, and awareness is nice, execution speed is the main mechanical
skill that di erentiates great from good.

HuH? Wait what!? not macro, micro or awareness related....


PS- guide is great, been looking to improve in this area for too long now. Thanks for the unique content.


OMG thanks!! That's EXACTLY what I was trying to say!!!

"Execution speed" is such a perfect term!
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 17:10:55
June 18 2011 17:09 GMT
#127
how many people can say that they are "really really good" so that apm matters?

edit: my belief's on this matter is that strategy>apm but when you add strategy = strategy into the equation, strategy < apm + strategy
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
philipov
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 20:12:52
June 18 2011 19:38 GMT
#128
On June 19 2011 02:09 Br3ezy wrote:
how many people can say that they are "really really good" so that apm matters?

edit: my belief's on this matter is that strategy>apm but when you add strategy = strategy into the equation, strategy < apm + strategy


Lets forget for a second that apm is more than finger speed and that having faster finger helps you macro and micro even if your APM stays the same, and that this thread is primarily about increasing your finger speed without regard to APM.

APM is a resource to be spent, just like minerals, gas, supply, and larva. All the arguments that try to state that apm doesn't matter or only matters if your macro is perfect can be made about the collection of any other resource. If you collect APM without spending it (by spamming), then you're no better off than if you collect minerals without spending them. The more skilled player is the one who can both collect more resources (finger speed / muscle memory) and spend them at the rate they collect them (quick decision making). The only difference between APM and minerals as a resource is you can't bank APM.

Now what brings this back to the topic is that these finger exercises can be used to do more than just improve your ability to collect APM (spam) they can improve your ability to spend APM by training your muscle memory to execute complex -useful- actions automatically after doing other actions.

Training yourself to quickly alternate between selecting drones and minerals is not a very complex action, and will only lead to the collection of unused APM. Training yourself to tap your production structures automatically every time you issue an attack move will produce useful APM that will help you macro in the middle of battle.

EDIT: Two more examples of things that are improved simply by being faster without adding any quicker decision making: spreading creep and using infestors.

Spreading creep is entirely automateable, but many players don't do it as well as they could for the simple reason that they don't have any APM to spend on it because they are too slow at doing everything that's more important.

Using infestors properly is so reliant on timing that being clumsy with your hotkeys is simply unacceptable. Finger speed and muscle memory are crucial for being able to coordinate your roaches and infestors and land fungals against a moving enemy. Particularly if you're trying to macro at the same time.

In short, it's not that being a little faster will give you a marginal advantage over your enemy. There are certain speed thresholds you have to reach that allow you to do things you were completely unable to do before.

We don't tell someone who's floating 1000 minerals to build fewer SCVs until their macro improves. We tell them to spend their money properly. But someone who isn't even building enough SCVs doesn't even have a chance to learn to spend that much money.
Any hive cluster that would trade a little economy to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both
Intricate1
Profile Joined May 2011
169 Posts
June 18 2011 19:52 GMT
#129
On June 19 2011 02:09 Br3ezy wrote:
how many people can say that they are "really really good" so that apm matters?

edit: my belief's on this matter is that strategy>apm but when you add strategy = strategy into the equation, strategy < apm + strategy



if you bothered to read the OP at all you would know this isn't about APM. He clearly states is several Times in big bold letters "WARNING - NOTE - READ THIS"



ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 20:50:42
June 18 2011 20:37 GMT
#130
Wow. I used to be able to do almost 200 apm back when I played but I sort of ran into a wall there. I think my physical hand speed put a limit which I couldn't breach, I'm really fucking terrible with my pinky, ring finger and thumb. Wish I would have thought of something like this back then. Although it would probably have been even more useful in Brood War, I felt more limited by my speed there.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
June 18 2011 20:39 GMT
#131
On June 12 2011 16:22 XDJuicebox wrote:
NOTE: This isn't about improving APM. This is just about making your fingers faster.
To improve APM requires a synergy of mind and body...one that I am still developing so I cannot comment on it that much.

ANOTHER NOTE: APM isn't really that important. It's just nice to have once you're really, really good.

no read my post


On June 19 2011 02:09 Br3ezy wrote:
how many people can say that they are "really really good" so that apm matters?

edit: my belief's on this matter is that strategy>apm but when you add strategy = strategy into the equation, strategy < apm + strategy

Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
June 18 2011 21:02 GMT
#132
I feel that my APM is really whats holding me back. I'm a decent typist, maybe 70 WPM give or take, however I cant really get my APM past 50-60 in any given game. I know what I have to be doing and I know when it has to be done however the physically speed of my hands is holding me back so my multitasking really suffers.

What OP posted is something I'll be trying out. I'm mid-high diamond right now (depending how much I get to play each week) however I think I could easily be mid to high masters if I could garner another 30 or so APM
iChau
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1210 Posts
June 18 2011 21:50 GMT
#133
On June 19 2011 05:39 Br3ezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 16:22 XDJuicebox wrote:
NOTE: This isn't about improving APM. This is just about making your fingers faster.
To improve APM requires a synergy of mind and body...one that I am still developing so I cannot comment on it that much.

ANOTHER NOTE: APM isn't really that important. It's just nice to have once you're really, really good.

no read my post


Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 02:09 Br3ezy wrote:
how many people can say that they are "really really good" so that apm matters?

edit: my belief's on this matter is that strategy>apm but when you add strategy = strategy into the equation, strategy < apm + strategy



Doesn't matter if you're a strategical genius if you can only utilize 40 APM and can barely switch fast enough to macro/micro/multitask.
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Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
June 18 2011 22:05 GMT
#134
On June 19 2011 06:50 iChau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 05:39 Br3ezy wrote:
On June 12 2011 16:22 XDJuicebox wrote:
NOTE: This isn't about improving APM. This is just about making your fingers faster.
To improve APM requires a synergy of mind and body...one that I am still developing so I cannot comment on it that much.

ANOTHER NOTE: APM isn't really that important. It's just nice to have once you're really, really good.

no read my post


On June 19 2011 02:09 Br3ezy wrote:
how many people can say that they are "really really good" so that apm matters?

edit: my belief's on this matter is that strategy>apm but when you add strategy = strategy into the equation, strategy < apm + strategy



Doesn't matter if you're a strategical genius if you can only utilize 40 APM and can barely switch fast enough to macro/micro/multitask.

if only there was a way to select all your units at once or to select multiple buildlings so that you could macro more easily...if only
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
The Intensity
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
June 18 2011 22:34 GMT
#135
With hotkeys 1,2,3 I can get it up to 650 apm easily.

Used to play piano back in the day.
COCA!
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 19 2011 21:47 GMT
#136
On June 19 2011 04:38 philipov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 02:09 Br3ezy wrote:
how many people can say that they are "really really good" so that apm matters?

edit: my belief's on this matter is that strategy>apm but when you add strategy = strategy into the equation, strategy < apm + strategy


Lets forget for a second that apm is more than finger speed and that having faster finger helps you macro and micro even if your APM stays the same, and that this thread is primarily about increasing your finger speed without regard to APM.

APM is a resource to be spent, just like minerals, gas, supply, and larva. All the arguments that try to state that apm doesn't matter or only matters if your macro is perfect can be made about the collection of any other resource. If you collect APM without spending it (by spamming), then you're no better off than if you collect minerals without spending them. The more skilled player is the one who can both collect more resources (finger speed / muscle memory) and spend them at the rate they collect them (quick decision making). The only difference between APM and minerals as a resource is you can't bank APM.

Now what brings this back to the topic is that these finger exercises can be used to do more than just improve your ability to collect APM (spam) they can improve your ability to spend APM by training your muscle memory to execute complex -useful- actions automatically after doing other actions.

Training yourself to quickly alternate between selecting drones and minerals is not a very complex action, and will only lead to the collection of unused APM. Training yourself to tap your production structures automatically every time you issue an attack move will produce useful APM that will help you macro in the middle of battle.

EDIT: Two more examples of things that are improved simply by being faster without adding any quicker decision making: spreading creep and using infestors.

Spreading creep is entirely automateable, but many players don't do it as well as they could for the simple reason that they don't have any APM to spend on it because they are too slow at doing everything that's more important.

Using infestors properly is so reliant on timing that being clumsy with your hotkeys is simply unacceptable. Finger speed and muscle memory are crucial for being able to coordinate your roaches and infestors and land fungals against a moving enemy. Particularly if you're trying to macro at the same time.

In short, it's not that being a little faster will give you a marginal advantage over your enemy. There are certain speed thresholds you have to reach that allow you to do things you were completely unable to do before.

We don't tell someone who's floating 1000 minerals to build fewer SCVs until their macro improves. We tell them to spend their money properly. But someone who isn't even building enough SCVs doesn't even have a chance to learn to spend that much money.


You can't spend APM if your fingers don't listen to you...that's what the point of this thread is. To improve your coordination with your fingers. And some people can do that by simply playing...I can too. But what if you don't always have the access to your computer?

That's when you can help the effort by doing what I suggested.

And you don't even have to, it's a free world...
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
June 20 2011 04:13 GMT
#137
On June 19 2011 06:02 Megakenny wrote:
I feel that my APM is really whats holding me back. I'm a decent typist, maybe 70 WPM give or take, however I cant really get my APM past 50-60 in any given game. I know what I have to be doing and I know when it has to be done however the physically speed of my hands is holding me back so my multitasking really suffers.

What OP posted is something I'll be trying out. I'm mid-high diamond right now (depending how much I get to play each week) however I think I could easily be mid to high masters if I could garner another 30 or so APM


No. Strategy and game sense is more important than APM in most cases, and 60 average effective APM (not counting times where you need higher, like in battles) is enough to get into GM if none of it is spam.

APM isn't something that you consciously try to increase. As you play more it should increase naturally until you are able to have near-perfect macro / micro.
Rockshell
Profile Joined April 2011
United States8 Posts
June 20 2011 06:11 GMT
#138
This is a great post 8D I shamefully got all my hand speed from guitar hero (which honestly, is probably the most enjoyable way to directly improve your speed without learning an actual instrument) so my left hand is really strong at picking up different combinations and doing them quickly.

In game I only spam up to about 200, just enough to warm up my hands, and usually end with an avg of 100-110, I play GH on Expert. Of course this is kind of limited to improving your keyboard hand, unless you're ambidextrous I guess, but I feel like speed on your mouse hand is much less important anyway (it may be because I also come from an FPS background, and my mouse hand is already very strong and I just don't realize it).
BulletCase
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay27 Posts
June 20 2011 08:25 GMT
#139
You can also play a "real game" on fastest map
very good macro practice there
I Eat Zergs for breakfast.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 20 2011 15:44 GMT
#140
I was wondering if you have any baller ways to increase the speed of mouse clicking (or whatever you want to call it).
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 21 2011 04:24 GMT
#141
On June 21 2011 00:44 kollin wrote:
I was wondering if you have any baller ways to increase the speed of mouse clicking (or whatever you want to call it).


The single spam click exercise should solve that.
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
yiodee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States137 Posts
June 21 2011 04:39 GMT
#142
Wow guys I am surprised by the sheer amount of hate that this awesome thread got. The main topic here is "execution speed". Let's say I am a terran with 4 rax two facts with tech lab and a starport with a techlab. I stand to produce 4 marines, 2 tanks and 2 medivacs per cycle of production. Oh and say I have two orbital commands, so add 2 scvs to that.

Assuming I have my raxes on 3, the factories on 4, starport on 5 and CCs on 6; I probably would have to hit 3aaaa4ss5dd6ss. Well in my personal case, this would take me about 3 seconds. (That is kinda slow if you are in the middle of a battle and need to make reinforcements quickly). So with that, we can say I have an execution speed of 3 seconds for that particular task. Most pros would do that in a second or maybe slightly less, while anything below a second and a half is really good.

So the point of the OP is to give your fingers the dexterity to go from those 3 seconds to the 1.5 ~1 second of execution time. It is not teaching you how to spam etc etc. You will benefit from this a lot, even if it related to the game theory(like builds, or macro).

Now shut up and get your fingers working out
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 21 2011 05:13 GMT
#143
On June 21 2011 13:39 yiodee wrote:
Wow guys I am surprised by the sheer amount of hate that this awesome thread got. The main topic here is "execution speed". Let's say I am a terran with 4 rax two facts with tech lab and a starport with a techlab. I stand to produce 4 marines, 2 tanks and 2 medivacs per cycle of production. Oh and say I have two orbital commands, so add 2 scvs to that.

Assuming I have my raxes on 3, the factories on 4, starport on 5 and CCs on 6; I probably would have to hit 3aaaa4ss5dd6ss. Well in my personal case, this would take me about 3 seconds. (That is kinda slow if you are in the middle of a battle and need to make reinforcements quickly). So with that, we can say I have an execution speed of 3 seconds for that particular task. Most pros would do that in a second or maybe slightly less, while anything below a second and a half is really good.

So the point of the OP is to give your fingers the dexterity to go from those 3 seconds to the 1.5 ~1 second of execution time. It is not teaching you how to spam etc etc. You will benefit from this a lot, even if it related to the game theory(like builds, or macro).

Now shut up and get your fingers working out


I <3 you man. You nailed it dead on the money...

That was indeed the point of this thread, and I'm glad some people understand me :D
And then you know what happened all of a sudden?
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 21 2011 05:16 GMT
#144
lol was expecting masturabation jokes
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
June 21 2011 05:18 GMT
#145
@evan

Rofl xD

Whew, good you didn't use your 10,000th post on this post :D

Congrats 10,1000 posts!
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Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 11:05:37
June 21 2011 11:04 GMT
#146
Great idea but I think a bit incomplete. This is juste fingers musculation and while important not the whole thing about hand speed. So i'll add my share of little exercices to do when you have a keyboard and nothing else to do.

One of th key problems of anyone that is not really good at SC is getting lost and the keyboard (aka missclick). So one thing you can work is placing your hand real quick.
Say I want to practice spawing drones. My hatchs are 5678.
So what i'll do is define precisely what finger I use on each and stick to it no matter what.
Now the fun part:
Hit 0 with the pinky then 5sd6sd7sd8sd. Hit 1 with the index 5sd6sd7sd8sd. This help you not be like "woops pressed 4 instead of 5 and made my scout die".

On the same basis you have switching between two "routines" like 5sd6sd7sd8sd 1a2a3a 5sd6sd7sd8sd 1a2a3a.

Also the really good 12131415141312 and all the variations 21232425242321 etc....
Really good for fingers independency. And play an instrument super great for dexterity :p

Also do this real slowly at first the goal is to do it well then do it fast. Cuz you'll never be able to do it in the other order.
FlowerBunny
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden187 Posts
June 21 2011 21:23 GMT
#147
Just have to say: I set my CC to 1 and my scouting worker to 3 XD Awesome write up man! I will go for some excersices and hopefully get faster. Would be totaly awsome if you uploaded a movie of you typing I am curious to see how extremely fast you are

Keep going man! <3
I was a Terran player. I am a Terran player. I will always be a Terran player
CCow
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany335 Posts
June 22 2011 02:40 GMT
#148
Don't get how you can receive that much hate for a thread that simply aims at helping other people.
I've always found that my mere handspeed was a rather resticting factor for my overall ingame-speed, so this OP was a real great read for me! Thank you so much for this, have been doing the drills all the time while reading through the pages, hope I can force myself (and remember^^) to do them on my way to univ; don't have anything to do on the bus so far.
XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
June 23 2011 18:19 GMT
#149
On June 22 2011 11:40 CCow wrote:
Don't get how you can receive that much hate for a thread that simply aims at helping other people.
I've always found that my mere handspeed was a rather resticting factor for my overall ingame-speed, so this OP was a real great read for me! Thank you so much for this, have been doing the drills all the time while reading through the pages, hope I can force myself (and remember^^) to do them on my way to univ; don't have anything to do on the bus so far.


Yeah, I don't get it either. Well, at least TL people are a lot nicer than other forums...

Gl and hopefully you too can do stuff intensely quick too!
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OmniscientSC2
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States713 Posts
July 13 2011 05:26 GMT
#150
I've been spamming that rolling technique for a few months now, but instead of 123213123123123123123123123123123123123123123123, I've been doing:

123-124-123-124-123-124-123-124-123-124-123-124-123-124-123-124

I feel that I have pretty good control of my 1 2 3 4 Hotkeys just by doing this. Spike up to like 700 APM from just doing this. I also am one of those players who has chosen to hotkey their backspace to one of their mouse buttons, so as far as practicing spamming one hotkey over and over
i.e: 4444444444444444444444444444444444444444444, I spam it early game while spamming the backspace on my mouse so it jumps back and forth between my scouting drone and my base.

Apparently my pinky is weak though, because when I tried to do the asasasasaa while hovering over the keys, it started hurting after like 10 repetitions lol.
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GreyTemplar
Profile Joined September 2010
22 Posts
July 15 2011 21:16 GMT
#151
[B]On June 12 2011 16:22 XDJuicebox wrote:

Point of this thread: Hey! Here's something you can do when you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble!




I just want to note that not once did I see anything for being able to do this when NOT at my PC. >.>

Just saying.

But also I will be trying this out when I can. Cant do so at work as far too busy, plus keyboard at work is a crappy dell, Razer Black Widow @ home so key distances are not the same.

Thanks for the write up and I'll try it out over the course of next week and see how it helps. :D
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
July 15 2011 21:45 GMT
#152
I am currently on a five hour drive thanks for the entertainment!!
whoopingchow
Profile Joined June 2011
United States293 Posts
July 15 2011 21:46 GMT
#153
Great guide. Definitely did stuff like this when I was practicing a cello piece. :D

Do you know of any website that can time you? I want to practice the macro algorithm thing, but all the WPM sites make you type our a preset paragraph or something.
edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
July 15 2011 22:02 GMT
#154
I'll try this and see how effective it is,
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XDJuicebox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States593 Posts
July 15 2011 22:04 GMT
#155
On July 16 2011 06:16 GreyTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On June 12 2011 16:22 XDJuicebox wrote:

Point of this thread: Hey! Here's something you can do when you're not at the PC to keep your fingers nimble!




I just want to note that not once did I see anything for being able to do this when NOT at my PC. >.>

Just saying.

But also I will be trying this out when I can. Cant do so at work as far too busy, plus keyboard at work is a crappy dell, Razer Black Widow @ home so key distances are not the same.

Thanks for the write up and I'll try it out over the course of next week and see how it helps. :D


Bring your Keyboard with you! :D
Lol that's what I do

Or you could just drum on the table with your fingers

On a different note, I got tendonitis in my wrists from a week of Guitar Hero. Definitely don't recommend that.
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