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Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
June 14 2011 23:26 GMT
#921
It is very interesting how simply building a depot and barrack below your ramp can invoke build order responses from your opponent - at the cost of possibly one supply depot which you may lose at the bottom of your ramp.
ApfelvomBaum
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany5 Posts
June 20 2011 12:16 GMT
#922
man these build ist just awesome .. Im p and I won against a masters terran, thank you
If you are ahead, get more ahead!
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
June 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#923
You guys need to stop bumping this thread so it dies away ><!!
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
June 20 2011 12:24 GMT
#924
I love this build... i cant even count the amount of people who try and do this on ladder on a weekly bases... most free wins ever xD!
xO gaming owner
Juke290
Profile Joined March 2011
Egypt316 Posts
June 20 2011 12:30 GMT
#925
On June 20 2011 21:24 Hoodlum wrote:
I love this build... i cant even count the amount of people who try and do this on ladder on a weekly bases... most free wins ever xD!


This, I personally love Terrans who do it against me, as a Protoss I will greatly face your mariners instead of the beastly mauraders, easy micro with stalkers all day.
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2049 Posts
June 20 2011 12:40 GMT
#926
[troll]
Keep on bumping guys, maybe I can reach 1000 posts and 200 000 views
[/troll]

Seriously though, I tested it again with a brand new acount and the skill limit seems to be at low masters with this.
geiko.813 (EU)
kalleralle
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden183 Posts
June 20 2011 12:55 GMT
#927
On June 20 2011 21:40 Geiko wrote:
[troll]
Keep on bumping guys, maybe I can reach 1000 posts and 200 000 views
[/troll]

Seriously though, I tested it again with a brand new acount and the skill limit seems to be at low masters with this.


I play EU and I lost quite a lot vs diamond players with this tactic about 1-2 weeks ago.
antz0r
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia168 Posts
June 20 2011 13:10 GMT
#928
It must be a macro or micro thing but this has been really easy to hold off and I'm only in gold. I have more trouble against people who go 4-5 rax, see me bunker up, then use the massive marine force to contain me instead. Although I've worked out how to beat that too now.
kalleralle
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden183 Posts
June 20 2011 13:16 GMT
#929
On June 20 2011 22:10 antz0r wrote:
It must be a macro or micro thing but this has been really easy to hold off and I'm only in gold. I have more trouble against people who go 4-5 rax, see me bunker up, then use the massive marine force to contain me instead. Although I've worked out how to beat that too now.


This strat is very weak vs a terran who has played it before. There is no way to win vs T with this strat if he knows that it is coming.
lyrlian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands257 Posts
June 20 2011 13:24 GMT
#930
Jeah indeed, a terran who knows this build will have 0 problems. I was doing this at mid masters with mixed result, 30% win vs terran, 50% vs toss and 70% vs zerg
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JonB
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden325 Posts
June 20 2011 13:24 GMT
#931
well actually i find this build quite useless at the moment. It was a great build at first, but now just too many people know it and recognize it as soon as they scout the low ground walloff. And once scouted it is quite easy to hold off.
hacker and programmer - the2me4u on skype
MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
June 20 2011 13:57 GMT
#932
some ppl get intelligent and do this lowground wall in to do an FE, instead of all in. In my opinion every terran should use this lowground wall in to confuse their opponents.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
June 20 2011 14:03 GMT
#933
We have gotten a lot of terrible players now in masters because of this build, I mean this build is so recognized now it is easily countered often times.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
June 20 2011 14:28 GMT
#934
This seems like a really bad build that only works in TvZ. Kind of annoying Zerg can't scout it too well, it just looks like a 2 rax. I guess you just have to get lucky on 4 player maps, on normal maps I think this would get scouted out if they send their 11 drone. Not sure on timings, basically comes down to if they are late on their drone scout or not. I did it a bunch and it's instant lose to Terran. Against Protoss I think it's just a micro war, I don't think it works too well against Protoss. They can pull probes, and if map is large enough they can get 1 sentry which is enough to delay it in time.
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Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
June 20 2011 15:12 GMT
#935
On June 20 2011 22:57 MooLen wrote:
some ppl get intelligent and do this lowground wall in to do an FE, instead of all in. In my opinion every terran should use this lowground wall in to confuse their opponents.


Well, not always, but yeah, it can be fun to play the metagame vs your opponents once in a while. If they overcommit to preparing for an allin that never comes, you can easily steamroll a bit later on with your superior economy, or force them to do a counter-allin.
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
brainpower
Profile Joined September 2010
United States233 Posts
June 20 2011 15:44 GMT
#936
I really can't see any reason not to low ground wall in vs zerg. One or two marines on the ramp and a patrolling marine watching of an overlord completely shuts down scouting, if you suspect a baneling bust, you can quickly get up a double wall, you can lift the rax and use it+the depo+a bunker to really cut off movement around your expo, and the only ranged units zergs have that can really threaten a terran before seige tanks are out are roaches. Since the zerg shouldn't know if you are getting marauders, and you should have a good idea if he is going for a roach rush, there is almost no threat.
Ivanero
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain140 Posts
June 26 2011 14:16 GMT
#937
Well I feel trolled.

I'm in top3 platinum for 3 weeks. My real league is diamond but I got to gold playing random on S2, I'm fucking tired of winning diamonds and top platinum and not being promoted for weeks, then I tried this to get a faster MMR recovery, and you know what...? Almost all platinum know this build so you can't get it to work NEVER!!! Free loses everywhere.

Cya.
=)
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2049 Posts
June 26 2011 14:25 GMT
#938
On June 26 2011 23:16 Ivanero wrote:
Well I feel trolled.

I'm in top3 platinum for 3 weeks. My real league is diamond but I got to gold playing random on S2, I'm fucking tired of winning diamonds and top platinum and not being promoted for weeks, then I tried this to get a faster MMR recovery, and you know what...? Almost all platinum know this build so you can't get it to work NEVER!!! Free loses everywhere.

Cya.


Are you a betting man ?

If you lend me your account logs, I'll play 20 games doing only this build. If I win 14 or more of these games, you owe me 100€, otherwise I owe you 100€. Do we have a deal ?
geiko.813 (EU)
Ivanero
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 16:03:06
June 26 2011 14:48 GMT
#939
On June 26 2011 23:25 Geiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 23:16 Ivanero wrote:
Well I feel trolled.

I'm in top3 platinum for 3 weeks. My real league is diamond but I got to gold playing random on S2, I'm fucking tired of winning diamonds and top platinum and not being promoted for weeks, then I tried this to get a faster MMR recovery, and you know what...? Almost all platinum know this build so you can't get it to work NEVER!!! Free loses everywhere.

Cya.


Are you a betting man ?

If you lend me your account logs, I'll play 20 games doing only this build. If I win 14 or more of these games, you owe me 100€, otherwise I owe you 100€. Do we have a deal ?


Doing just what you explained at ur first thread? Just that?

I'd like to do if I just had the money, but looking at your confidence I can't understand how can u get this to work when almost everybody on Bnet know about this build. Terran just wall of/bunker (lots of them just wall off), protoss can rush their units with chrono and stopping probes production, and zerg just make around 10 lings and it's over :S

Edit: They key point is that when they see you just wall bottom ramp they know you are about to all in

Edit2: Ok gettint some wins now, maybe I had to refine the build, I'll play some more games and let's see what happens lol.

I'm gonna explain losses:

1. P: He just saw the bottom wall and made 3 cannons in his ramp.
2. T: So easy to stop with terran with just wall and 1-1-1 with hellion lol.
3. T: He just did a 3 rax normal build and stopped easy pulling al scvs + marines.
4. T: He was 1rax-FE I think, he bunkered, he didnt need even repairing while bunkered marines were killing my marines, then a hellion appeared and another lose.
5. Z: So easy to stop with zerg. You just delay with lings+queen+drones and they have even enough time to build a spine and build lots of zerglings to stop you.
6. T: Wall + repairing bunker + hellion
*Note: It's not I just lose vs terrans, I'm losing 75% of games doing this, but I'm just playing vs terrans.
*Note2: I feel this BO is stupid really, I lost to it like 2 times some time ago and I never lost to it anymore, and I didn't even know the build.
7. P: Metalopolis crossed positions, no way it could work. FF half of my scvs and killed, then he warped in 3 stalkers more, GG again an 6 loss in a row. Now I feel even more trolled.
8. P: Xel Naga, I did right the wall, that showed the grid, but this stupid and bad done game let the probe pass through it, see my all in, then rush 2 zealots and stop it easy pulling probes + 2 stalkers. (And I moved on min 4:00 lol)
9. P: Rofl this guy really sucked (I like how bnet puts me vs guys who suck when I loss some games on a row but he doesn't promoted although I won 6-7 games on a row as usual), he scouted before my 11rax, stole a gas, metalop close positions, 2 zealots and 1pylon for 2 gates (I destroyed), but was able to stop my with his probes. Oh, and my micro is good, I was a war3 player.

Man, this build sucks. Like 10 loss in a row now, you are a nice troll and I would like to put that 100€ on the table if I just had it. Gl trolling and cya.
=)
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
June 26 2011 16:01 GMT
#940
On June 26 2011 23:48 Ivanero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 23:25 Geiko wrote:
On June 26 2011 23:16 Ivanero wrote:
Well I feel trolled.

I'm in top3 platinum for 3 weeks. My real league is diamond but I got to gold playing random on S2, I'm fucking tired of winning diamonds and top platinum and not being promoted for weeks, then I tried this to get a faster MMR recovery, and you know what...? Almost all platinum know this build so you can't get it to work NEVER!!! Free loses everywhere.

Cya.


Are you a betting man ?

If you lend me your account logs, I'll play 20 games doing only this build. If I win 14 or more of these games, you owe me 100€, otherwise I owe you 100€. Do we have a deal ?


Doing just what you explained at ur first thread? Just that?

I'd like to do if I just had the money, but looking at your confidence I can't understand how can u get this to work when almost everybody on Bnet know about this build. Terran just wall of/bunker (lots of them just wall off), protoss can rush their units with chrono and stopping probes production, and zerg just make around 10 lings and it's over :S

Edit: They key point is that when they see you just wall bottom ramp they know you are about to all in

Edit2: Ok gettint some wins now, maybe I had to refine the build, I'll play some more games and let's see what happens lol.

I'm gonna explain losses:

1. P: He just saw the bottom wall and made 3 cannons in his ramp.
2. T: So easy to stop with terran with just wall and 1-1-1 with hellion lol.
3. T: He just did a 3 rax normal build and stopped easy pulling al scvs + marines.
4. T: He was 1rax-FE I think, he bunkered, he didnt need even repairing while bunkered marines were killing my marines, then a hellion appeared and another lose.
5. Z: So easy to stop with zerg. You just delay with lings+queen+drones and they have even enough time to build a spine and build lots of zerglings to stop you.
6. T: Wall + repairing bunker + hellion
*Note: It's not I just lose vs terrans, I'm losing 75% of games doing this, but I'm just playing vs terrans.
*Note2: I feel this BO is stupid really, I lost to it like 2 times some time ago and I never lost to it anymore, and I didn't even know the build.
7. P: Metalopolis crossed positions, no way it could work. FF half of my scvs and killed, then he warped in 3 stalkers more, GG again an 6 loss in a row. Now I feel even more trolled.
8. P: Xel Naga, I did right the wall, that showed the grid, but this stupid and bad done game let the probe pass through it, see my all in, then rush 2 zealots and stop it easy pulling probes + 2 stalkers. (And I moved on min 4:00 lol)

Gratz on failing to execute one of the easiest cheeses in this game.

And gratz on bumping this thread so more people know about this, decreasing the possibility of this working.
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