EPTSeems as though Spanishiwa's style hard counters it. I must admit the build wasn't executed perfectly but i really didn't even need to pull drones. Just target the marines. I lost 1 queen due to poor micro but that was it. Even if it hit earlier on a more wide open map I'm sure i could hold it off every time doing the Spanishiwa build.
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PaultheGaul
Australia3 Posts
Seems as though Spanishiwa's style hard counters it. I must admit the build wasn't executed perfectly but i really didn't even need to pull drones. Just target the marines. I lost 1 queen due to poor micro but that was it. Even if it hit earlier on a more wide open map I'm sure i could hold it off every time doing the Spanishiwa build. | ||
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vahgar.r24
India465 Posts
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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GGFluffBunny
United States4 Posts
Ive been doing this build, and i have been winning with it, went up from my bronze league into high silver rank 4, i am now fighintg gold/plat level people and winning/loosing them acordingly, i found a new strat that i use when you do the bottom wall off. the Wall off is really suseptable to attack and is really annoying when your making your Rax and they start killing your SCV and it dosent move at all, you see it just die and if you lower your depot they can run in. I have been doing 2 different builds, so far, 3 rax all in. and a 6 rax mass marine push. however, Spanishwa's build hard counters a lot of early pressure. i mean 4 spine crawls is rediculous. if you scout the spines before u move out at about 4:30, you can transition into macro game but you are already behind. All in all, this build was great for the first about 3 days but now, its just become old.. new cheeses need to be made, or learn to macro game, my self im a main protoss player. but i do believe that a 6 rax push is hard to fight unless you go for quick banelings, at about 6 min, you are greeted with 22 marines at your base, with more streaming down. basically, the build is different, than the all in. 9/11 rally worker to ramp 10/11 supply at bottom 11/11 rax at bottom SCV up to 15 15/19 orbital either or, usually as your making your 15th scv you can start marine production then orbital when scv finishes 15/19 4 marines @100% OC drop mule @750 minerals, 5 barracks>rally workers back to minerals @300 minerals, 3 depots?rally workers back to minerals @100% barracks' pump 6 marines untill you get to 37/43, rally marines to a marine or ramp outside of base, keep droping mules when 50 energy, keep streaming in marines, untill you outlast them, keep doing it. -note: if they have mass spine crawlers. Expect banelings to follow, Keep pumping marines, untill you start pushing their base. works for all races(Except terran some times, if they go fast stim/tank play, need to run up their ramp as many marines as you can, and FF that tank or the bunker or depot, whatever they blocked with, keep pumping marines, untill you either get over run, or you over run them. -note to TvZ using this strat, fast banelings, use Marine spread and studder step doing this build, i have a 80% win ratio, more then the other build. Hard counters: 1.Fast banelings(Easy to overcome, just need to micro and studder step) 2. Spanishwa's opening, if done right 2 spine crawls.(push through it, keep pumping out marines) 3. Fast Siege tank, (transition into air play, push up with force, you get hit by 1 tank, pull back drop 2 refine saturate, get factory up asap then starport, continue to pump out marines, and map control, wait for them to move out. then get them from behind with marines when tanks unseige(good micro). keep harrasing them, untill starport is done, pop down tech, get 2 banshees, and pump marines. Keep working on different styles of the build if you like it. PM in game. GGFluffBunny.639. would like some help on other style, PS- Cheesing is not a frowned at item, it lets you get out of lower leagues so you can practice your macro games. GL HF, and remember, just a game. have fun with it. if you loose, oh well, get back up, and try again, eventually you will get it down and you will become good. I'm a silver level player, so i'm still learning more myself. but Honestly, i learned more from cheesing then i have trying to do macro games, because i know timings of other races and when items hit. Good luck everyone, hope this idea was helpfull. | ||
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ApolloF4
United States12 Posts
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GGFluffBunny
United States4 Posts
if he comes at you with workers.. a move kill them all, Priority vs toss is Workers>Zealots>Pylons>Stalkers. and if he has stargate, that is a must cus of void rays if he has 1-2 of them. | ||
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Genovi
Sweden388 Posts
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GGFluffBunny
United States4 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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pinkbunny20
Australia26 Posts
Thanks alot man | ||
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burnswuff
United States61 Posts
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Spectorials
558 Posts
Pretty bad of me to not recognize it though since I have already read this thread before. More crazy all-ins for Terran to own Zerg with on ladder yayyyyyyyy | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
Just won against a poorly executed version of the all-in, got in with a 9 scout and harassed as many SCVs as I could to mess his timing. As most people probably found out, splitting 3-4 SCVs up the ramp with a force field is very helpful, as it weakens the army waiting outside for little damage on yourself. | ||
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SchizoNL
Netherlands37 Posts
It is indeed insanely powerful for terran, but also insanely easy to defend for terran ! Nice build Geiko, will deffo stick to 9 pylon scouting  Scouting that soon gives you time enough for a decent defense. (ps, added you in sc2, would like some protoss info + test this build against you some day ) | ||
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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whereismymind
United Kingdom717 Posts
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On May 26 2011 02:30 whereismymind wrote: How do you counter this as Protoss on Scrap Station or other wide choke maps? You counter it by getting in probe in their base because they can't wall off. Or by spotting the second barracks used to wall off and knowing that early pressure is coming. Then either cannons if you don't feel like microing, or chronoing your stalkers. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
You counter it by getting in probe in their base because they can't wall off. This, and happily harass the building SCVs. Everything that might screw his timing up is a major plus. Just don't forget to macro your own base. | ||
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drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
Now players with no skill have a build that kills me if i dont prepare for it, as well as something to hide behind and make fucking banshees. You truly are the biggest douche on these forums and make laddering not fun for everyone but terran. I dont even care if i get banned for this shit it was worth it. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On May 26 2011 04:13 drgonzhere wrote: Thanks asshole my ladder rank went down 10 spots because of your fucking build. This really makes the game fun for everyone promoting this cheesy shit Now players with no skill have a build that kills me if i dont prepare for it, as well as something to hide behind and make fucking banshees. You truly are the biggest douche on these forums and make laddering not fun for everyone but terran. I dont even care if i get banned for this shit it was worth it. It's a bit hard now because the build is popular, but it'll go away soon. If you play on the EU server I can help you with getting a counter for your opener if you want. and manners plz ^^ | ||
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