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aZoX
Canada358 Posts
TOP Master player here, this build when well pulled is quiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee efficient. If you don't see it coming it smasher the shit out of you. Wondering whats best to stop it, 1gate chrono sentries with forge or 2-3 gate with chrono stalkers what do you guys think ? Trying to find a way to stop this rather then microing the shit out of my 3-4 stalkers (top masters opinions please ) | ||
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gockel
Germany15 Posts
So I think pulling off this Cheese at a low level will be pretty tough. | ||
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Gulzt
Netherlands275 Posts
Going to check a few of the replays soon. Thanks for sharing! | ||
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skunk_works
United States109 Posts
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diLLa
Netherlands247 Posts
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neverlast
Austria62 Posts
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locant
Australia45 Posts
Toss: blindly getting a sentry or 2 out fast, basicly dead then terran: randomly getting a bunker, if they are quick to repair its gg zerg: havnt lost yet :D | ||
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ViperaViRuS
United States82 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:27 gockel wrote: In "lower" leagues (silver-plat), SC2 is completely about playing safe. At least that's what I experienced so far. Some people play pro-BOs, some just play this game for random fun, and others have some mechanics, but still to completely strange buildorders, and still pump quite decent amounts of units out That seems to be the reason why people who stayed pretty long in such a "low" league start to bunker/cannon/spine-ling a lot. The last 20 early pushes (stim timing or whatever) were not scouted at all, but still met some decent defensive structures. So I think pulling off this Cheese at a low level will be pretty tough. I completely disagree with this. I deliberately tried this on a lower league account (Silver), it worked on Bronze, Silver, and Gold alike. It just requires good micro of unit placement, and stutter-stepping the units, as well as good placement of SCVs in order to successfully tank the damage. If they focus fire the Marines and you lose them, it's over. | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On May 19 2011 16:50 Geiko wrote: All these problems are timing problems which you learn to deal with with a good deal of practise. For example, on 4 players map, if your scout reached his base in time to see him put up a spine, experience tells you that if you push out now, his spine wont be done. So even if you don't have the right amount of marines, it's a good idea to push out a soon as you see him morphing that spine. Same goes for scouted roach warren. The idea is to always attack when your opponent is least ready. Maybe scouting with the first scv who builds a barracks is a godd thing vs zerg opponents. Best thing for me to do is enclose a replay to see what happened to me. I will say however, that I practiced this build to the point that I watch the clock, and at precisely 4:30 I pull my SCV's off the line and with all the marines I have, make the do-or-die march to his base. I think what happened in that roach/crawler game is, my scout never made it inside his base to see anything(killed by lings). His first scouting drone came really fast too...and when he saw the depot/rax on the low ground, he immediately smelled cheese. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
Not sure how to upload replays though. Seems a bit risky vs Zerg since there's a 1/3 chance you get scouted immediately and it's an auto-loss, and then obviously even if you don't get scouted first, they might catch on and still get you somehow. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
encountered it 2times today, the first time I got smashed, the second time I won, because I was going roach all-in myself (because I scouted 2fast rax, and I wanted to try how an roach allin performs vs that...) | ||
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djdoodoo
United Kingdom192 Posts
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
but yeah a retarded build | ||
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Motat
315 Posts
On May 19 2011 20:44 Gulzt wrote: Aha, a top platinum player I faced pulled of a variation to this strat. I was instantly suspisious when I scouted the callsupply as zerg on the depot near the ramp but then it was already to late. I barely held it off but the dmg had been done and the next wave meant gg. Going to check a few of the replays soon. Thanks for sharing! How was there another wave, the strategy involves pulling all scvs, if you don't then it's incredibly easy to stop. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 20 2011 06:51 djdoodoo wrote: I tried this build a few times. It's a little tedious tbh but I like the wall off. I thought that they patched it so you couldn't wall off with 2 buildings anymore. Anyway now I'll be using this wall off to my advantage. It's very helpful. Can't wall off with 2x2 buildings anymore. Bunkers, depots, and rax can all wall off lower ground, on most ramps, still. | ||
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closey
Hong Kong272 Posts
On May 20 2011 06:53 Daimai wrote: This tactic is stupidly easy to pull off and stupidly hard to counter. Had 2 games today with this, lost one and won one. In the second one the guy felt the need to drophack me though^^ but yeah a retarded build Did you report him? I'm feeling brain dead for playing with this build too much, too. It definitely is a retarded build. | ||
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Exley
United States239 Posts
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Dzerzhinsky
Scotland327 Posts
The low wall makes it difficult to scout, but its very existence screams 'marine rush'. | ||
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Quazar
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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