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On April 05 2011 23:58 rastaban wrote:
I have a question as I am stuck on the first section regarding goals.
You mentioned setting clearly defined and measurable goals rather than saying I just want to improve. I guess it seems most of the measurable goals, say "Get into masters" If I really meant it I feel I would be best served by learning a very effective cheese strat and perfecting it as this method seems the fastest way to rank up until the higher levels (ala bitbybit.prime.we).
How do I set a measurable goal that involves deepening my understanding and focusing on being a more rounded player? do I just set the goal above and then try to go about in a different manner? or should I be looking at goals like "play a 30 minute game while keeping money below 450" or something like that.
Thanks,
I personally dont think you should set 'numbers' in your goal like 30 minute game. I think you sould try to set your goal als following:
'I want to get into master league trough winning games by out-macro'ing the other player'
In my opinion 'outmacro'ing' the other players means having a bigger and stronger (better upgrades for example)
This way you will need to get to deepen your understanding of the game and lets you become a more rounded player, because you will get to face a lot of different tactics, and will learn how to respond to them so in the end you will have the bigger and better army.
Hope this helps, but just remember you dont always have to go on till minute 30. If you see a player do something incredibly greedy or stupid, you should punish those things!
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On April 05 2011 17:58 Tgee wrote:
This seems really archaic, you totally ignore the idle worker hotkey, the base cam hotkey, the event hotkey(spacebar) and the unit selection modifiers(ctrl, shift) that allow very efficient manipulation/making of a unit selection.
Thanks for borderline insulting me. Did it ever cross your mind that I just omit those things because they suck? Thanks for reminding me about shift and ctrl, however. I did forget to mention those ones.
On April 05 2011 23:27 syva wrote:Hey, first-post bronze-leaguer here  Thank you very much, very grateful for this guide; will be putting all this to practice this evening. I am, however, confused by one issue. You suggest putting all nexuses onto a single hotkey, but how can I then ensure workers are only being created from a specific nexus. I wouldn't want to be creating workers at a nexus where the mineral patch is already saturated. Sorry if I have missed something here.
After hotkeying all your nexuses onto one hotkey, rally all your workers the base with the least probes 
On April 05 2011 23:27 Bobbias wrote:
Why haven't I seen this thread before? This is an absolute godsend for me and so many people.
I had always been thinking of trying to get a lesson from you, but I always had a feeling in the back of my head that told me there were other ways, and that I wasn't at the skill level where a lesson would tell me something I didn't already know.
I've always had the "I suck at this game" mentality because hey, I'm in bronze, that alone tells me I'm pretty damned bad at this game, but my problem was that even though I've known I'm bad, and I've known roughly what I'm bad AT (My mechanics are bad, I don't hotkey nearly enough, I still have plenty of moments where I either supply block myself, or am not building probes, I still haven't tried to just learn one build, and instead opt to just do my own thing etc. etc.) so I didn't need someone to tell me what was wrong, I needed to find a way to to get better.
So a HUGE thanks for this post.
Thanks Bobbias <3
On April 05 2011 23:58 rastaban wrote:
I have a question as I am stuck on the first section regarding goals.
You mentioned setting clearly defined and measurable goals rather than saying I just want to improve. I guess it seems most of the measurable goals, say "Get into masters" If I really meant it I feel I would be best served by learning a very effective cheese strat and perfecting it as this method seems the fastest way to rank up until the higher levels (ala bitbybit.prime.we).
How do I set a measurable goal that involves deepening my understanding and focusing on being a more rounded player? do I just set the goal above and then try to go about in a different manner? or should I be looking at goals like "play a 30 minute game while keeping money below 450" or something like that.
Thanks,
You should be thinking like this: I want to play at a Master's level of skill by playing focusing mostly on my macro. I say later on that lower Master's players are the only players on the NA that have basic macro down, so you should read the whole guide then go back and focus on the macro portions.
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OP of the year? There should be that award here.
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Hi CecilSunkure!
Well, this in addition to your other guides on TL has shown some exemplary dedication to the community, so thanks!
Now, for my question:
Do you have any advice for keyboard hand positioning? While this may seem an obvious point (i.e. put your hand by the hotkeys), some people may have a way of more easily navigating their higher numbered hotkeys.
For example, I always have my higher tech on 9 (for upgrades) and forge(s) on 0, but since I have to stretch my hand to reach them, I almost never get to tap them ingame to check their status. If the only way to tap these efficiently is just forcing myself to do it, then I'll just have to practice it, but just because hand placement on the keyboard wasn't mentioned in the OP i wasn't sure if you had any opinion/advice on the matter.
Also, thanks for keeping up with the thread!
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On April 06 2011 02:29 ShamTao wrote:
Hi CecilSunkure!
Well, this in addition to your other guides on TL has shown some exemplary dedication to the community, so thanks!
Now, for my question:
Do you have any advice for keyboard hand positioning? While this may seem an obvious point (i.e. put your hand by the hotkeys), some people may have a way of more easily navigating their higher numbered hotkeys.
For example, I always have my higher tech on 9 (for upgrades) and forge(s) on 0, but since I have to stretch my hand to reach them, I almost never get to tap them ingame to check their status. If the only way to tap these efficiently is just forcing myself to do it, then I'll just have to practice it, but just because hand placement on the keyboard wasn't mentioned in the OP i wasn't sure if you had any opinion/advice on the matter.
Also, thanks for keeping up with the thread!
Well keyboard placement was mentioned, I just didn't go into crazy detail on. And the answer is nope! You just have to get used to moving your left hand around
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I really enjoyed the guide. I am about halfway through it and loving it so far. I have been having motivation issues with SC2 but after having created a goal for myself and some knowledge of how to get to that point it is becoming way easier for me to play SC2 with no fear.
oh and btw there is a spelling mistake at
[2.01] What this document is about
This document aims at giving all players the oppuritunity to greatly improve their game. By this I mean that anyone who reads this document should have the tools necessary to become a...
not important really but thought I might as well point it out, especially if you are putting this into a PDF
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I feel like this could all be summed up in a few words. Watch the Day9 Daily Sunday through Thursday @ 7pm PST..... It's an adequate write at best.
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On April 06 2011 04:47 Canadium wrote:
I feel like this could all be summed up in a few words. Watch the Day9 Daily Sunday through Thursday @ 7pm PST..... It's an adequate write at best.
Obviously not or it wouldn't be spotlighted.
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On April 06 2011 04:47 Canadium wrote:
I feel like this could all be summed up in a few words. Watch the Day9 Daily Sunday through Thursday @ 7pm PST..... It's an adequate write at best.
Maybe some people like it better when the information is in written format and easy to track? The majority of people learn best visually, rather through audio. Or perhaps people would like to see the point of view from someone other than Day9.
I, for one, found the post to be very helpful. Great applause as I understand a comprehensive guide takes ages to be written.
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This is a great link for all you need on how to turn off mouse acceleration for Windows 7! Simply download the tool pack, open the correct registry editor, log off and back and walla! You can now enjoy a perfect 1 to 1 ratio of mouse to cursor movement!
Here's software from SteelSeries to disable mouse acceleration for Mac Snow Leopard.
http://cdn.steelseries.com/tools/steelseries-exactmouse-tool.dmg
It seems to work with non-SteelSeries mice as well (tested with a SteelSeries Ikari Laser and Logitech VX Revolution).
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Wow, started to read, but this is just huge! Saving it, will read it through when I have more time.. Sorry for short response, anyway, very nice write up indeed!
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On April 06 2011 04:47 Canadium wrote:
I feel like this could all be summed up in a few words. Watch the Day9 Daily Sunday through Thursday @ 7pm PST..... It's an adequate write at best.
I find Day9 extremly annoying. His stream is informative, if your willing to sit through 2 hours of retarded banter and him constantly switching to his webcam view to see his reaction faces and whatnot.
Sometimes he can be fun and knowledgable, but I always find myself screaming at the screen "GET TO THE F-ING POINT!"
edit: More on topic. Cecil, I loved this read. I read the whole thing on my blackberry on my way home from work and it seriously puts you in a good mindset for starting to grow as a player.
Still on my way home, my fingers are twitching 1a2a3a...i need SC2 NOW
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On April 06 2011 05:27 RoachyRoach wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 04:47 Canadium wrote:
I feel like this could all be summed up in a few words. Watch the Day9 Daily Sunday through Thursday @ 7pm PST..... It's an adequate write at best. I find Day9 extremly annoying. His stream is informative, if your willing to sit through 2 hours of retarded banter and him constantly switching to his webcam view to see his reaction faces and whatnot. Sometimes he can be fun and knowledgable, but I always find myself screaming at the screen "GET TO THE F-ING POINT!"
Amen to that!!!
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Remove the mouse acceleration part, as that thing is just plain wrong. As long as you don't switch settings around all the time, it'll be just fine, and it's entirely up to preference.
If you want some proof, take a glance at the Quake community, where 90% of the top 20 use mouse acceleration.
An otherwise magnificent guide however. Props.
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On April 06 2011 05:27 RoachyRoach wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 04:47 Canadium wrote:
I feel like this could all be summed up in a few words. Watch the Day9 Daily Sunday through Thursday @ 7pm PST..... It's an adequate write at best. I find Day9 extremly annoying. His stream is informative, if your willing to sit through 2 hours of retarded banter and him constantly switching to his webcam view to see his reaction faces and whatnot. Sometimes he can be fun and knowledgable, but I always find myself screaming at the screen "GET TO THE F-ING POINT!" edit: More on topic. Cecil, I loved this read. I read the whole thing on my blackberry on my way home from work and it seriously puts you in a good mindset for starting to grow as a player. Still on my way home, my fingers are twitching 1a2a3a...i need SC2 NOW
Yeah I feel the same way :/
He does too much goofing off, and I just don't have time to watch 30 minutes of teaching and 30 minutes of goofing off.
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On April 06 2011 05:37 CecilSunkure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 05:27 RoachyRoach wrote:On April 06 2011 04:47 Canadium wrote:
I feel like this could all be summed up in a few words. Watch the Day9 Daily Sunday through Thursday @ 7pm PST..... It's an adequate write at best. I find Day9 extremly annoying. His stream is informative, if your willing to sit through 2 hours of retarded banter and him constantly switching to his webcam view to see his reaction faces and whatnot. Sometimes he can be fun and knowledgable, but I always find myself screaming at the screen "GET TO THE F-ING POINT!" edit: More on topic. Cecil, I loved this read. I read the whole thing on my blackberry on my way home from work and it seriously puts you in a good mindset for starting to grow as a player. Still on my way home, my fingers are twitching 1a2a3a...i need SC2 NOW Yeah I feel the same way :/ He does too much goofing off, and I just don't have time to watch 30 minutes of teaching and 30 minutes of goofing off.
Different styles for different people. I prefer to read the information, so this guide suited my needs perfectly, but I'm pretty sure a lot of guys would struggle reading so much information. No, i'm not calling anyone dumb, it's just that this guide is HUGE. I've been translating it since yesterday and oh god, my brain hurts already and I haven't been able to translate half of it yet :/
I guess all that goofing around that Day9 does helps those of us who want a more lighthearted explanation. Thats what I think at least
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Haven't read such an awesome article in a while. Thanks.
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I really enjoyed this read Cecil, thank you. Bookmarked forsure, I really found the part on further refinement through replay comparisons between myself and a pro to be very helpful. For a while now it seemed that I was stuck in a rut as far as my skill goes because I just didn't know what to or how to practice when I was having issues in higher divisions (platinum currently, play against mostly diamonds). Like you said you need benchmarks, now I have new ones.
Thanks again for the great thread.
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I'd suggest everyone to reach this if only for the mouse settings. Thanks for the guide!
What are some unused hotkeys for terran( id like to set them to screen hotkeys). My current f1-f12 buttons require me to press fn button near the windows button which makes using those hotkeys a hassle.
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On April 05 2011 23:39 Reasonable wrote:
How can you start as silver? That's a mystery to me. I was in diamond after 10 games in Beta. Don't mean to brag, but there is obviously a natural factor involved, a factor of intellectual attribute. Similar to when some guys do quite well in school w/o trying and others study day and night and still get lower grades.
There is a factor of when you start and what prior experience you have.
If you start now, from scratch and reach diamond in 10 games it means you have played multiple rts games in multiplayer prior to this. This means you have most likely spent as much time learning the basic skill set as somebody that has been playing sc2 since release.
As for school, I think the same thing applies there. The foundation is important, how you learn is as important, if not more important than the amount of time you put in. Being able to quickly and correctly deduct what you need to know from a text compared to memorising the entire thing.
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