[Q] Fungal Growth helping ZvP vs. Deathball? - Page 3

On April 04 2011 05:49 DeltruS wrote:


He had 12 infestors VS HuK on the game that HuK dced. I really wanted to see how well IdrA would use them.

On April 04 2011 06:47 morimacil wrote:

not really, no.
7 infestors is a ton of gas. 1300 gas to be exact.
if you are getting neural parasite, then thats another 150 gas, and you cant have it by the time a toss has 3 colossi.
Well actually, you can, but you cant have that, plus an actual army, and infestors are just support units.
Infestors are super gas heavy support units with super gas heavy upgrades, that are meant to support a super gas heavy army with super gas heavy upgrades. thats the problem, the gas.

Thats also the reason why stuff like marine-marauder-viking works much better against toss deathballs than roach hydra corruptor.
without going into the whole range, and relative power of the units, mm viking is just a much more streamlined composition based on your income. a mineral unit, 2 units that are relatively cheap on gas, and 250 gas spent on upgrades.
roach hydra corruptor, you are looking at a relatively gas cheap unit, 2 gas expensive units, and at least 350 gas on upgrades.
So adding in more support units like infestors that are super gas heavy, with more gas heavy upgrades needed, is just not really possible most of the time. You can only get so much gas, even if you are 1 base up over your opponent.

On April 04 2011 06:30 tdt wrote:
It was a buff and a nerf. More damage to protoss units because most are armored but less time locking them down so they can get back to the business of FF and blinking again. I don't think you'll see much change at pro levels.

Zergs who go straight for infestor after lair is a pretty solid strategy since protoss can't really move out anymore risking their sentries to get fungalled, they have to wait for colossus and the thermal lance giving zerg time to drone up so yeah infestor is pretty viable in all match ups

On April 04 2011 06:51 Mutarisk wrote:



Void Rays crap on the Zerg "Deathball"

Unless you have 12 infestors to chain the void rays to death (And if you did I'm sure the protoss would be smart enough to split the void rays)


Protoss has a unique ability to crap on every zerg unit except the corruptor which actually allows the zerg player to have a small part in dictating how the battle will occur.

Since the infestor was changed from a snare to a dps roll, it's kinda worse in providing actual support to units in ZvP.

Also, if you have 7 infestors by the time protoss has 3 colossus.

You won't have either an Army or Upgrades while the Protoss is way ahead.

On April 03 2011 11:57 LaLuSh wrote:
I have always been of the opinion that fungal growth should (partially) ignore shields and do direct damage to armor (like a light version of plague from broodwar).

With fungal being a projectile as it was in the PTR build, I think fungal doing half of its damage to armor and half of its damage to shields would have been a good compromise.

Especially as protoss have got counters to infestors in colossi range and templar feedback.


Patch didn't do too much to change the infestor's situation in ZvP. I still think it's too much of an investment, too hard to micro; a strategy too prone to backfiring.

Whatever people say, you can't keep chaining fungals against a thermal lance army. Maybe in theory you can -- but doesn't work as well in practice. And it just gets harder and harder the longer the game progresses and the bigger the Protoss army gets.

2-3 infestors are always good. More than that commonly proves to be a waste.

On April 04 2011 12:28 DeadPixels wrote:
Honest question, if you simultaneously cast several fungal growths on the same group of units does the damage stack or are they just wasted fungals?