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Kfish
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Chile282 Posts
March 31 2011 19:43 GMT
#41
Inspiring post! I would really appreciate if you could share some thoughts on practice methods, I have always been looking for some guidance, maybe as a sort of list. I guess you could call it a training menu.

Thanks for sharing this!
Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
March 31 2011 19:54 GMT
#42
On April 01 2011 03:53 Konsume wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 03:47 masterbreti wrote:

how do you go about practicing hardcore. like 8-10 horus a day. i've tried to do that, but i always end up fustrated and tired after 2-3 hours.


Players like RET practice about 6 hours a day and do just fine!!

and also... I personaly recommend training in blocks of 3hrs with 1hr break up to 9hrs max a day... thats what I do and it works for me


If you read about how Pro-gamers train. This is basically what they do. Wake up, breakfast/shower, few hours of games, lunch, 30-60 minute break, few hours of games, dinner, break, games, bed.

Doesn't sound too bad to me, plus they take hours at a time to refine themselves, watch strats, practice certain opener timings, etc. Playing straight ladder games, without introspection, like OP said, doesn't always work. You need to be introspective and hard on yourself in order to improve.
Got that.
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
March 31 2011 20:05 GMT
#43
Thank you for the entertaining and informative post. Maybe you can also release a replay pack for lower players to study. Watching replays of pro players is also one method to improve right ^^?
:)
hellohilo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States68 Posts
March 31 2011 20:14 GMT
#44
Thanks BaekHo, nice ideas ^_^
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Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
April 01 2011 02:24 GMT
#45
Great read and thank you for writing it. There are a lot of threads that pop up in the SC2 General section regarding some sort of frustration with the game that this thread would be an excellent response to. It really helps to put things in perspective and it's great to hear it coming from someone such as yourself.
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SaJa
Profile Joined November 2010
France84 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 02:58:32
April 01 2011 02:53 GMT
#46
I really think get coaching lesson to be better is crap. People like gold or platium or even diamond will pay someone to do all the stuff instead of themself and it won't make them better since they don't try to think by themself to why and how they got trouble to win but they just obey to what someone tell them without really understand timings and micro/macro just playing a lot and watching their own replays.

Basicly, i think it is not a good way to learn. As you said it's like football, if someone is behind you saying "ok to play well you need this and that with the ball" it won't make you a good footballer because you not even trying to learn with your own experiences. It may help a little bit I guess, but it's very limited compare to what it actually costs -.-
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
April 01 2011 03:16 GMT
#47
On April 01 2011 11:53 SaJa wrote:
I really think get coaching lesson to be better is crap. People like gold or platium or even diamond will pay someone to do all the stuff instead of themself and it won't make them better since they don't try to think by themself to why and how they got trouble to win but they just obey to what someone tell them without really understand timings and micro/macro just playing a lot and watching their own replays.

Basicly, i think it is not a good way to learn. As you said it's like football, if someone is behind you saying "ok to play well you need this and that with the ball" it won't make you a good footballer because you not even trying to learn with your own experiences. It may help a little bit I guess, but it's very limited compare to what it actually costs -.-


a good coach will not do that to you. a good coach would ask you and help you figure out your own mistakes and helps you focus on areas where you need to work on.


like a football coach, they can't tell you how to throw the ball, but they can show you the right way to throw the ball, and help you throw it yourself. the coach cannot throw the ball for you.
Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
April 01 2011 03:24 GMT
#48
A SlayerS member in UofT holy check that's crazy!!!
Agiz
Profile Joined February 2010
Iceland28 Posts
April 01 2011 03:26 GMT
#49
Great read and good advice, keep up the good work :D.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
April 01 2011 03:28 GMT
#50
Thankyou
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mamuto
Profile Joined September 2010
United States88 Posts
April 01 2011 03:28 GMT
#51
Thanks for the post BaekHo!

Struggling to break on through to Masters, borderlining giving up, but this gives me hope!

One thing that is so frustrating is playing after long day at work. Playing tired is god awful. I watch myself not macro, make the dumbest positional mistakes, miss timings.... Its horrible.

Anyone have any tips on how to practice on not letting low energy get to the game? Anyone else come home from work to play sc2 competitively who's figured out how to do it lol...
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
April 01 2011 03:32 GMT
#52
On April 01 2011 04:28 Aterons_toss wrote:
Nice read man, thx for posting it.
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 03:18 Bippzy wrote:
Why is there no mention of refinement in this post?

I tear apart the ladder when i ladder because I pick sweet builds Liquid Tyler's Double forge or 3 gate expand into all the fun stuff Zerg hates. PvP is more of a game sense 4 gate into other stuff or cannon rush.
Either way I'm getting off topic. The point is I feel you have way more stable time laddering if you just have solid builds that you know so well you can adapt on the fly and when you lose, you know how you should of adapted from watching the replay. Furthermore, you can see what they were actually doing and improve your scouting.

TL;DR: Laddering and improving is easier when you have a refined build...I feel this should be mentioned, Can't just mass ladder.


Sir, trust me or not, i am one of the player who doesn't focus that much on "refining", i just mass ladder.
And after about... 2.5k games i think ? I am at a good level of refinement in my builds, maybe even bigger then most ppl... sadly i lack some micro
Just saying, i know play practice games and vs Ai games + theorycraft to refine builds is faster then playing 1 milion games BUT 1 million games can work as well



I'm different then you, I micro very well naturally but I am almost completely unable to wing macro unless if I've practiced it to some extent. Also, I havent taken the jump yet, so im no where near your game level.

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TradeR
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2 Posts
April 01 2011 03:55 GMT
#53
Thank ya, this is the kind of post I need to get the motivation to start playing good again.
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7sk
Profile Joined August 2010
United States55 Posts
April 01 2011 03:57 GMT
#54
BaekHo hwaiting!
TechN9ne
Profile Joined February 2011
United States24 Posts
April 01 2011 03:59 GMT
#55
I rage in this game more than COD and that is saying something... but its like a drug that i cant give up and i dont mind it.. good job on the post :!
Dont be that guy
evaunit01
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States512 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 04:03:02
April 01 2011 04:01 GMT
#56
On April 01 2011 12:28 mamuto wrote:
Thanks for the post BaekHo!

Struggling to break on through to Masters, borderlining giving up, but this gives me hope!

One thing that is so frustrating is playing after long day at work. Playing tired is god awful. I watch myself not macro, make the dumbest positional mistakes, miss timings.... Its horrible.

Anyone have any tips on how to practice on not letting low energy get to the game? Anyone else come home from work to play sc2 competitively who's figured out how to do it lol...


I suffer from the same, I try and take a short 20-30min minute nap when I get home. It is the perfect amount of time to rest for your body. You wake up with much more energy, do not sleep more then that though. Otherwise you really mess up your circadian rhythm. But yeah, I am not a pro gamer, I am a diamond level protoss.

Working 7:30-4:30 limits the amount of time I can allocate to getting better at SC2. I love SC2 though, I watch like almost all the tourneys and VODs I can get my hands on. It is really a fascinating game, I enjoy learning it and getting better. Yet I also really enjoy being a fan, just watching it purely for its entertainment value.
Gamertag: William T. Riker - My life for Aiur!
alezial
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5 Posts
April 01 2011 04:05 GMT
#57
Thanks Baekho, I was really getting frustrated last night because I lost my 4 games that I get to play in a day very easily... like I hadn't fought back. I've been thinking about them all day, going over what made me lose. I didn't even want to look at the replays, even though I know I should. Your post cheered me up though and now I'm looking forward to getting home to play a few more games! It's nice to know that pros struggle with the same sort of frustration that less talented SC2 players do! =D
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
April 01 2011 04:09 GMT
#58
HOLY CRAP! I'm in one of those games! Hahaha, good for my publicity...

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Sleeky
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada31 Posts
April 01 2011 04:11 GMT
#59
Good post, enjoyed reading it. Very motivated to start laddering more and work towards my goal of making it to diamond (I'm in platinum at the moment)
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evaunit01
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States512 Posts
April 01 2011 04:18 GMT
#60
On April 01 2011 13:11 Sleeky wrote:
Good post, enjoyed reading it. Very motivated to start laddering more and work towards my goal of making it to diamond (I'm in platinum at the moment)


Keep working at it man! I was in plat for 3 months, I got bumped up to diamond on Wednesday (first placement match). I was playing diamond in like 8 out of every ten games before I was bumped up. The key is being consistent vs diamond, winning at least 50% of the games.
Gamertag: William T. Riker - My life for Aiur!
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