• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:16
CEST 00:16
KST 07:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver4[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down0StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon98Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Why Protoss Struggles on ASL (Ft. Shuttle, Tulbo) Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? Remastered crash fix suggestions [D] Brainstorming a balance patch for Brood war
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8171 users

[G] How to get Better in Starcraft ll ~ SlayerSBaekHo - P…

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
March 31 2011 18:18 GMT
#21
Why is there no mention of refinement in this post?

I tear apart the ladder when i ladder because I pick sweet builds Liquid Tyler's Double forge or 3 gate expand into all the fun stuff Zerg hates. PvP is more of a game sense 4 gate into other stuff or cannon rush.
Either way I'm getting off topic. The point is I feel you have way more stable time laddering if you just have solid builds that you know so well you can adapt on the fly and when you lose, you know how you should of adapted from watching the replay. Furthermore, you can see what they were actually doing and improve your scouting.

TL;DR: Laddering and improving is easier when you have a refined build...I feel this should be mentioned, Can't just mass ladder.
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
ZeNd0kUn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
March 31 2011 18:19 GMT
#22
Nice Post BaekHo, good for inspiration! Okay now I'm going back to practice. Struggle! Fighting!
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - Jesus
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
March 31 2011 18:20 GMT
#23
Great post! The truly hard part is when you look back at a replay over and over and can't find any leaks you can fix. So you try again and again and get a practice partner, and watch some VOD's and do some forum searches, and then keep losing to it. And finally you snap and break the nearest fragile object and yell "damnit 2rax-expand on close maps and 3base protoss death ball takes four times as much skill to stop than execute wtf am I playing this broken game for damnit!"

Then you switch races after ladder reset and have fun again.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
BaekHo
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
March 31 2011 18:24 GMT
#24
On April 01 2011 03:18 Bippzy wrote:
Why is there no mention of refinement in this post?

I tear apart the ladder when i ladder because I pick sweet builds Liquid Tyler's Double forge or 3 gate expand into all the fun stuff Zerg hates. PvP is more of a game sense 4 gate into other stuff or cannon rush.
Either way I'm getting off topic. The point is I feel you have way more stable time laddering if you just have solid builds that you know so well you can adapt on the fly and when you lose, you know how you should of adapted from watching the replay. Furthermore, you can see what they were actually doing and improve your scouting.

TL;DR: Laddering and improving is easier when you have a refined build...I feel this should be mentioned, Can't just mass ladder.


I didnt specifically mention about refinement because that is just one way to get better. Surely you can do 4 gate every games. Picking one build specifically doing it every games. I seen good people using same strategy over and over in ladder, that does help, indeed that's one of the many ways. Sometimes doing one strategy can stop you from doing other strategies as well. If you are doing one strategy over and over, when you mass up, you cant do other things cuz you have no idea.

But thanks for mentioning it. I agree with that to some extent. If you are not confident in using banshee, for instance, you should use it every games, and at some point of time you will get used to it and know how to use it in best way, but again, that's one of the many ways to learn.
BaNaNaSpliT
Profile Joined January 2011
France6 Posts
March 31 2011 18:27 GMT
#25
Thanks a lot for this awesome read ! I'm feeling strange right know.
I was 3k master in season 1 but I was only able to play the week end, everytime I start laddering Friday, I feel like I have to learn everything again about the game even if I can watch stream or replay during week. I thought a lot that it doesn't worth it to play if I can't progress because of irregular playtime, I thought to stop laddering and stop trying to progress in these conditions, but I just can't.
Because of my love for Zerg and this game, because when I watch GSL/GSTL, others tournaments, Day9, Dimaga or Whitera ceremonies ... I just feel great, and I fucking love this game, and I just fucking want be a part of it. Hoping I can see my limits one day after really try to improve.

Thank you for this great read, definitely will help me. In game or in everyday life.(not kidding)
MaKfejA
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada117 Posts
March 31 2011 18:31 GMT
#26
Seen this guy play live, he is absolutely legit, really good player. If you're struggling to get better you should very much take his advice
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 18:33:07
March 31 2011 18:32 GMT
#27
I personaly quit playing 6months ago while I was top500 NA ladder. I stopped cause it became too much pressure just to get a tad better each days.

Now I'm back and I regret quitting for so long since I have to regrind my way back to where I was....

anyways... thanks for this post... it gave me some drive
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
March 31 2011 18:35 GMT
#28
Yes! I love it.

Saranghae BaekHo ~

^_^
Fireblast!: "This guy is pointless and wonderful"
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
March 31 2011 18:35 GMT
#29
One of the best things I have read in a while. Can't wait to go home and practice.
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
March 31 2011 18:36 GMT
#30
Thank you for the post, BaekHo, really informative and a great contribution!
Less QQ, more PewPew
BaekHo
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
March 31 2011 18:40 GMT
#31
On April 01 2011 03:35 State wrote:
Yes! I love it.

Saranghae BaekHo ~

^_^


<3
Aezo-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada378 Posts
March 31 2011 18:41 GMT
#32
I definitely didn't realize someone from slayers was in toronto that's cool!

Nice post , good read. Thanks.
aLuLz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany175 Posts
March 31 2011 18:46 GMT
#33
respect. Helped me a lot. Im currently on a losing streak and hate the game atm. Now i gonna watch my replays, watch what went wrong and try not to do these mistakes against.

Thanks a lot man. One of the best posts in the whole strategy forums..
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
March 31 2011 18:47 GMT
#34
its cool to think that a members of slayers is in my backyard. which is uber cool.


thanks for the post. i have been struggling for months getting better. but its my lack of auctual hardcore practice that hinders me to much.

how do you go about practicing hardcore. like 8-10 horus a day. i've tried to do that, but i always end up fustrated and tired after 2-3 hours.
MrArarat
Profile Joined September 2010
Argentina132 Posts
March 31 2011 18:49 GMT
#35
Gotta read this..
Thx!
Resting on the mountain side...
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
March 31 2011 18:53 GMT
#36
On April 01 2011 03:47 masterbreti wrote:

how do you go about practicing hardcore. like 8-10 horus a day. i've tried to do that, but i always end up fustrated and tired after 2-3 hours.


Players like RET practice about 6 hours a day and do just fine!!

and also... I personaly recommend training in blocks of 3hrs with 1hr break up to 9hrs max a day... thats what I do and it works for me
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
PowerDes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 18:59:53
March 31 2011 18:58 GMT
#37
I demand all your replays vs nyomu

Nice post though, everyone should remember to double check replays rather than keep asking themselves "how did he have so much stuff"
twitch.tv/PowerDes
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
March 31 2011 18:58 GMT
#38
thanks for the motivating post!

Wow Toronto, I was born there, I wish i still lived there sucks having to grow up in America instead of Asian-Toronto, haha. Oh well.

Thanks for the friend code :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 19:31:38
March 31 2011 19:28 GMT
#39
Nice read man, thx for posting it.
On April 01 2011 03:18 Bippzy wrote:
Why is there no mention of refinement in this post?

I tear apart the ladder when i ladder because I pick sweet builds Liquid Tyler's Double forge or 3 gate expand into all the fun stuff Zerg hates. PvP is more of a game sense 4 gate into other stuff or cannon rush.
Either way I'm getting off topic. The point is I feel you have way more stable time laddering if you just have solid builds that you know so well you can adapt on the fly and when you lose, you know how you should of adapted from watching the replay. Furthermore, you can see what they were actually doing and improve your scouting.

TL;DR: Laddering and improving is easier when you have a refined build...I feel this should be mentioned, Can't just mass ladder.


Sir, trust me or not, i am one of the player who doesn't focus that much on "refining", i just mass ladder.
And after about... 2.5k games i think ? I am at a good level of refinement in my builds, maybe even bigger then most ppl... sadly i lack some micro
Just saying, i know play practice games and vs Ai games + theorycraft to refine builds is faster then playing 1 milion games BUT 1 million games can work as well
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
March 31 2011 19:30 GMT
#40
You played GenX? He's a friend of mine, pretty good player

Thanks for writing this thing, I appreciate it and liked reading it!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech142
Nina 122
SpeCial 91
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11958
910 40
Noble 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever400
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1205
Fnx 639
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu461
Other Games
summit1g9364
Liquid`RaSZi1731
fl0m628
shahzam445
C9.Mang0161
XaKoH 143
ViBE92
SteadfastSC51
Mew2King48
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1730
BasetradeTV48
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix17
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie829
• Shiphtur156
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
1h 44m
The PondCast
11h 44m
Kung Fu Cup
12h 44m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
KCM Race Survival
1d 11h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 12h
OSC
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
4 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
4 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-14
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.