• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:37
CEST 22:37
KST 05:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon8[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues23LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 202 SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ alas... i aint gon' lie to u bruh... BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Ro16 Group A [ASL20] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread The PlayStation 5 General RTS Discussion Thread Iron Harvest: 1920+ Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Laptop on Rent in Delhi – Smart Choice for Student
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1389 users

[G] How to get Better in Starcraft ll ~ SlayerSBaekHo

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
BaekHo
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 01:35:39
March 31 2011 17:36 GMT
#1
Hello, SlayerSBekHo here~ I'm Korean who lives in Toronto atm, member of SlayerS and ProS (VestigeProS 동래구프로에쓰 TSL_Rain ST_Squirtle etc). Though I lived in States and Canada for years, my english grammer might be incorrect and unclear, dont go hard on me <33. There are some of my games that casted by Crota





replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/143983-1v1-terran-zerg-shakuras-plateau

Im writing this guide for those who wanna get better in Starcraft ll.

Before you read this post, I want you to answer following questions Clearly in your mind:

1. Are you playing for fun or playing to be progamers?

2. Do you love Starcraft ll?

3. Do you want to be Good?


If so in questions 3),

You are going to struggle to get better, and at some point of the time, you might feel like qutting starcraft ll, are you ok with that?



From my and my teammates perceptive, (such as TSL_Rain, ST_squirtle, SlayerSCella etc) those real "progamers" all agreed on one and the only fact - starcraft ll requires talents. Especially when it comes to competitive level, undoubtely, you need to have so much talents.

However, that doesnt mean you can never be good. Being grandmaster league, or top 50 NA do requires talents, but being top 500? its not about skill, its about amount of time and thoughts you put in the game. In fact, if bronze player comes to me and says "omg i suck at this game, no talents" I would deny his proposal unless he played 2k games and worked so hard to get better.

There is no easy-cheesy thing in this world. You wanna get better in soccer? you have to pratice! you wanna get better marks in exam? you have to study! you cant get better mark in exam without studying. Also, Do you always feel so good when you play soccer? obviously not, when you miss shot and couldnt get goal, you will get mad!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
It just takes some effort!


At some point of the time you will feel like "God damn it im getting tired of this #!@# Im losing so much and i dont think im getting better- besides why do i even have to get stress cuz of game? I m playing game to chill NOT to get stress of it" Im not gonna say that's wrong attitude. If you wanna do that, stay low and just enjoy the game, you have it! You dont have to struggle it if you just wanna enjoy game in your way, but if you wanna get better and enjoy game even more, I will clearly state this, you HAVE to struggle in order to get better.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
no easy win


If you actually watch "good" people, streaming such as LiquidHuk, SeleCT ... them playing ladder, you will notice one thing. Whenever they lose, they watch replays. This doesnt seems so important; however, in truth if you lose game, not think about it and not study WHY you lost the game, you will never ever get better. Yes, I ve seen some of the players that you might think is good, who do not watch the replays when they lose the game, but these people are not be top tier players (most of the cases). Im not stating that any one of those who watch replays that they lost are top players, BUT what I do say is top players watch replays of the game they lost.

Watch Replay, as Day9 said, check the timing, check what kind of mistakes you made. Personally I watch replays twice in a single Game. just watch replays normally and One in my view. When you watch replays with your own view, while knowing what is going on in Game, you will learn mistakes that you made, timing, etc. i dont think watching in your own view is that necessary, so you can omit it.

Now for the games that I won, I personally dont watch replays of the game that I won unless im in bad mood and wanna feel better by watching games that i won.


Another thing you can do is obviously play more games. Now, some people do ask me to coach them, and help them when they are not even master. I really dont suggest you to get coach, myself, I do coach people with 15 dollars per hour, but I really dont think its necessary, its waste of money. Starcraft ll is indeed the Game that requires hell lots of talents when it comes to competitive (competitive as making money out of it) However, Being in mid-master doesnt require talents, if you are not in master, that means either you didnt play any computer games (RTS) before OR you didnt do enough pratices. IF you played more like 1000 Games, watch replays that you lost, study, and watch some games from youtube OR online leagues like GSL or TSL, and still not in master league, then I would love to help you out, but I never seen one. Most of the time you didnt put enough effort and passion on it.

added: my opinion on coaching. Coaching is one of the method that you can learn starcraft ll, i said before that it is waste of money, but i didnt specificially mention why, and for whom. I believe that players who have potential to learn using his/her own money in order to improve? I wouldnt blame if one who played over 1000 games, watched all his replays, watched all GSL still in platium/fdiamond desperate to go to master, and take lessons. BUT if one is player who played 100 games, thinking hes bad, not watching any other tournament matches, not struggling, wish to pay money for coach? I really doubt one will improve with that attitude.

Coaching is definitely one of the method. However, think about it, when you are in school, teacher teach you how to do math problem, you might or might not understand how to solve problems. Either way, you can never get good in math if you dont actually work on problem when you are in home.


When you are watching games (pro-tier replays, gsl, tsl etc), think in this way, Whatever moves player make in Game, think about WHY they did that. For instance, they build supply depot in certain position. Why? Why did they not block entrance and build supply depot over there?

He pulled out all scvs from the Gas, Why? Is he gonna go cheese? expansion? ok he puts it back so its expansion. Why is he moving out? oh his stim is finishing up soon. Probably just gonna give him some pressure. Is he making scvs in production tab? no hes not, he cut scvs! Why? that will allow him to build stronger army. All of these questions are gonna help you with improvement of sc ll skill.



In conclusion, I'm gonna clearly state this:

There are certain ways for you to enjoy starcraft ll. It is your choice to whether

1. Stay as who you are , not improving

2. Try to get Better , struggle.


Whoever picks 1 is

[image loading]
even hellion facepalms

nono ofc not. Please dont get me wrong and says, whoever pick "1" is loser and "2" is winner. No no no, never. Its your ways of enjoying starcraft ll. You can either try to get better, but in doing so you are gonna get stressed. Myself, believe it or not, i wanted to quit starcraft ll, but now here i am, top 50 4k Master Terran.

Thanks for those of you who took your time to read this posts, again my english skill is not perfect , "me no engrish~" so if some grammer mistakes disturbs you take it ez. Ez. and I love you TL <3


SlayerSBaekHo (SlayerSBekho .267)


Quotation from BaekHo.

Not everyone who succeed struggled, but those who did succeed definitely struggled and worked hard.
BleaK_
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway593 Posts
March 31 2011 17:43 GMT
#2
Good read, TY!
kirbzzzstarcraft
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom18 Posts
March 31 2011 17:43 GMT
#3
funny and detailed post I liked reading it, I really want to get to masters league, its my goal, however i know i could never be a pro-gamer so i guess that thought is always in the back of my mind which may be holding my skill level back. thaks for the cool post
i wish i could think of an awesome quote :(
MurMiLLo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States260 Posts
March 31 2011 17:44 GMT
#4
wow awesome read, thank you so much!!
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
March 31 2011 17:44 GMT
#5
Great post, and I agree that the problem with most people is that they care too much about losing and don't play enough games. If lower level players just play like 5-10 games a day and watch all their losses they should be masters relatively quickly(low masters is VERY low in skill level compared to mid/high masters).
SkaPunk
Profile Joined October 2010
United States471 Posts
March 31 2011 17:46 GMT
#6
Thank you for this BaekHo
Team Fallacy
Zulf
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia45 Posts
March 31 2011 17:49 GMT
#7
good read
iMMvp #1
Crying
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria778 Posts
March 31 2011 17:50 GMT
#8
Actually your thoughts are pretty fine written.But there is one thing

Some people cant just stay under pressure while playing games ,and loosing like 5-10 in a row for some ppl is alot of stress,and mental power.

How do you cope with that,what are your thoughts on that?
everyone will tell ,if u get stressed by something,just dont do it.A game that is becoming stressful is not healthy,is it?
Determination~ Hard Work Surpass NATURAL GENIUS!
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
March 31 2011 17:51 GMT
#9
Interesting read, but I think coaching is not a waste of money! I am not a progamer, so I just can't focus on the game as much as someone who is a progamer. When I get a coaching lesson, I can learn from someone who does think about Starcraft 2 all day every day. It accelerates the rate of learning,
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
March 31 2011 17:53 GMT
#10
The problem with low-levels watching their replay tho is knowing what to look for. If you don't understand how perfect execution looks like or what strategies to choose upon scouting something, you don't necessarily see how to improve. Watching replays is only good if you actually know what to look for, be it by watching commentary, streams or the infamous Day9 Daily.
Always smile~
Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
March 31 2011 17:54 GMT
#11
Thats awesome I didn't know a member of SlayerS was in Toronto ^^. Cool post as well, thanks!
ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
March 31 2011 17:55 GMT
#12
thx for the post
BaekHo
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 17:59:53
March 31 2011 17:57 GMT
#13
On April 01 2011 02:50 Crying wrote:
Actually your thoughts are pretty fine written.But there is one thing

Some people cant just stay under pressure while playing games ,and loosing like 5-10 in a row for some ppl is alot of stress,and mental power.

How do you cope with that,what are your thoughts on that?
everyone will tell ,if u get stressed by something,just dont do it.A game that is becoming stressful is not healthy,is it?


I do have experiences in playing under pressures as well; that problem was solved after playing many games in ladder. You are getting pressures in ladder because you are scared of losing. In my opinion you shouldnt be scare to lose, each game you lose, you will learn more than you actually wins. Playing lots of games will make you relax, that's how im relaxed in ladder. playing lots of game gives you confidence and mental power, you get stronger while struggling.

If you are having bad days, like 5-10, its up to you. Personally I had day that I won 9 games and lost 20 in one day. At that time I felt so bad and mad but now think back, I think that helped me, but you should observe yourself while losing those games, and think about why you are losing so much. Are you just having bad day OR are your opponents so good?
AGuyInJersey
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3 Posts
March 31 2011 18:00 GMT
#14
What an awesome post! I get frustrated sometimes too, but I'll still play and that's the best part!!!
More than a man. AGuy.
Crying
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria778 Posts
March 31 2011 18:06 GMT
#15
Yes,i think the same bout' the struggle->getting better
I personally had that problem,but now it goes away pretty fast ,i feel nervous 1st game of the day and then its kinda ok
Determination~ Hard Work Surpass NATURAL GENIUS!
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
March 31 2011 18:06 GMT
#16
Awesome post, you're right, losses are really wins if you study them and learn from them!
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
March 31 2011 18:06 GMT
#17
Cool post, I'll show it to some friends who have started out and are still struggling .
Fist
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands235 Posts
March 31 2011 18:10 GMT
#18
On April 01 2011 02:36 BaekHo wrote:

When you are watching games (pro-tier replays, gsl, tsl etc), think in this way, Whatever moves player make in Game, think about WHY they did that. For instance, they build supply depot in certain position. Why? Why did they not block entrance and build supply depot over there?

He pulled out all scvs from the Gas, Why? Is he gonna go cheese? expansion? ok he puts it back so its expansion. Why is he moving out? oh his stim is finishing up soon. Probably just gonna give him some pressure. Is he making scvs in production tab? no hes not, he cut scvs! Why? that will allow him to build stronger army. All of these questions are gonna help you with improvement of sc ll skill.





SlayerSBaekHo (SlayerSBekho .267)

Great post, thank you. However, is really EVERY thing thought about what pro's do? I sometimes see no logic in the building placement. That the other point i have trouble with, I often state something I dont do, but I dont get why they do it. As a bad player, I probably dont get why they do stuff
Have you ever realized just how insignificant your existence on this planet really is?
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
March 31 2011 18:13 GMT
#19
Inspiring
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
March 31 2011 18:16 GMT
#20
Really nice post!! thanks! <3

I really want to improve myself, so yeh here it goes!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 23m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 164
UpATreeSC 142
JuggernautJason90
ProTech81
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2554
Rain 1363
Shuttle 561
Bisu 531
Mini 298
EffOrt 216
Dewaltoss 163
BeSt 138
Soulkey 123
firebathero 109
[ Show more ]
LaStScan 104
ggaemo 75
sSak 58
Mong 17
NaDa 15
ZZZero.O 8
Dota 2
The International98425
Gorgc9865
PGG 43
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps556
Stewie2K422
flusha132
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu437
Other Games
Grubby3252
summit1g2943
fl0m699
SortOf197
C9.Mang0162
PPMD40
ViBE6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1681
BasetradeTV26
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta11
• Reevou 5
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki15
• FirePhoenix5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1474
• Ler66
League of Legends
• Doublelift2395
Other Games
• imaqtpie1078
• Scarra597
• Shiphtur195
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
13h 23m
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
15h 23m
Kung Fu Cup
15h 23m
BSL Team Wars
22h 23m
RSL Revival
1d 13h
Maestros of the Game
1d 17h
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
1d 19h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 21h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.