EPTNot sure if it works 100% with this build as you're not building an assimilator and that's kind of a giveaway, but if you could sometimes fake an assimilator (and just cancel at like 90% to build your zealot) and use it to do the korean 4wg of zealots into their mineral line sometimes it would be a pretty powerful cheese.
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
Not sure if it works 100% with this build as you're not building an assimilator and that's kind of a giveaway, but if you could sometimes fake an assimilator (and just cancel at like 90% to build your zealot) and use it to do the korean 4wg of zealots into their mineral line sometimes it would be a pretty powerful cheese. | ||
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Garth
United States353 Posts
On March 18 2011 04:21 Anihc wrote: heh i've definitely proxied my entire base in my natural before in a pvp and just go standard 4 gate, result is opponent freaks out after seeing an empty main and gets a 2nd gate or a forge. result is that my 4 gate is much faster than theirs and i win. LMAO epic win. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46722 Posts
And I understand that (so far) your half-proxy hasn't been scouted at all and the build has been very successful, but if your initial push does happen to be held off (and you meet an opponent who gets aggressive before you get your natural up), it seems like your fourth gate and pylon would be in trouble. | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
On March 18 2011 05:42 AGIANTSMURF wrote: Ok, so im the victim of the first replay and here are my thoughts..... TBH I thought you were just bad, (dont take offense lol, i think i was higher then you on ladder at the time, i dont think you were anywhere near 3k master's i dont really remember) So when i scouted your base all i really noticed was that your cyber core was super late and you were chrono boosting zealots off of 1 gate. If i would have payed attention i probably would have noticed a missing pylon and scouted frantically for shenanigans... Also Im not sure if this would work on larger maps as I would have completed Warpgates in time to hold off your push and counter attack. The game was during EVO tryouts, I was at 3K by that point I think. On March 18 2011 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think it's a really cool build, although I'm curious as to how you plan on defending your lone gateway and pylon if it gets scouted. It seems as if you need to move really out of position in order to make sure that your gateway and pylon don't get sniped. And I understand that (so far) your half-proxy hasn't been scouted at all and the build has been very successful, but if your initial push does happen to be held off (and you meet an opponent who gets aggressive before you get your natural up), it seems like your fourth gate and pylon would be in trouble. Sometimes you have to make a decision. You either put down a nexus behind your first push or you put down additional gates to hold his counter 4 gate. If you put down a nexus, and you manage to hold that nexus with the gateway, then you're SIGNIFICANTLY ahead. By building the additional gateways first, you're giving up that pylon and gateway to survive. It all depends on how much damage you can do with that first group of units IMO | ||
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Saiton
Sweden467 Posts
Unfortunately he held it, my macro slipped and i lost but i can definitely see this keep working in high diamond-midish master. | ||
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46722 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:44 CanucksJC wrote: Sometimes you have to make a decision. You either put down a nexus behind your first push or you put down additional gates to hold his counter 4 gate. If you put down a nexus, and you manage to hold that nexus with the gateway, then you're SIGNIFICANTLY ahead. By building the additional gateways first, you're giving up that pylon and gateway to survive. It all depends on how much damage you can do with that first group of units IMO That makes sense. I'm gonna fiddle around with this a lot and see how well it works out  Thanks! | ||
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FrodaN
754 Posts
The thing is now that P players may be aware and scout more diligently  | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
On March 18 2011 09:25 prOpSaiton wrote: Love this build. Only got one chance to try it out, and the opponent has stalker+sentry+zealot in his base which is no match for 4 zealots with 2 stalkers incoming. Unfortunately he held it, my macro slipped and i lost but i can definitely see this keep working in high diamond-midish master. I think the key to executing is getting your wp as soon as possible to defend counter 4 gate. I've had a lot of trouble against that doing this | ||
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