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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10328 Posts
1. Put second gateway in natural 2. Copy Adelscott's no gas PvP build 3. Surprise! Thank you! (Jk I read the whole thing xD) Sounds fun haha, though on Xel'Naga why not put the pylon/gate closer to the edge of the ground (move it north) so there is less surface area? Or would that make a blind spot where you can't see if a unit moves through the brush? | ||
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Khaladas
United States223 Posts
If i assumed my opponent was bad, i'd probably think it was a great idea to 4 gate because his cyber was sure to be super late Hopefully i'd remember to try and scout a lot more before committing fully to the 4 gate. Might be too late though by the time I circumnavigated his base looking for something hidden then moved out to natural. MIght also cause me to send another probe out beyond my base looking for shenanigans. | ||
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
-3k+ master | ||
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Basileus
United States103 Posts
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:26 AGIANTSMURF wrote: I like the way it sounds, I've been meaning to try out adels build, this will give me inspiration to learn it. but is his build still viable seeing how the meta game has shifted? (4 gate way more deadly now, along with blink stalkers or 1 base colossal etc...) -3k+ master Yo, the first replay is against you 4 gating. LOL | ||
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Kira761
United States62 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:18 prOpSaiton wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2011 15:02 Kira761 wrote: how about something like this so they dont freak out seeing no second pylon? ![[image loading]](http://i55.tinypic.com/dqszfq.jpg) Subsubconsciously most people actually walk around every pylon and see if it powers anything is what i've noticed. So i don't think that would work. What if you put the pylon snug against the wall maybe in the back of your base so it just looks like you are spreading pylons around your base for vision? I'm just throwing around ideas to make it look less like a proxy but sadly if they go right up against the wall your pylon is against they can see your gateway. It's only 1 hex from being out of vision haha. | ||
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RefleX_AU
Australia39 Posts
 Nice job ^.^ | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:32 CanucksJC wrote: Yo, the first replay is against you 4 gating. LOL Hahahahahaha. On topic, this is a great idea. Adelscott build doesn't rely on a ramp to hold off anything so there's no disadvantage to having a gateway in your natural, I see no reason not to do this. | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:02 Kira761 wrote: how about something like this so they dont freak out seeing no second pylon? Scouting probe will check every courner of your base. If they see the pylon, its likely they see the gateway | ||
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:32 CanucksJC wrote: Yo, the first replay is against you 4 gating. LOL So, so funny. I actyally started cracking up in my Stat class. Small world! | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:32 CanucksJC wrote: Yo, the first replay is against you 4 gating. LOL Hahaha epic win. Love the idea, love the name, love the TL;DR. Although I'm no Adel-player I just wanted to say thank you for showing me something else I need to scout for in the future  | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
First of all the adelscott build is pretty poor and loses to 4 gate imo. It worked well when people didn't know it and just blindly did their build but when people adapt and get a few more stalkers before WG finishes (delaying it slightly) the adelscott build gets crushed. Only on very close spawns does it still have some value imo. The fundamental problem just lies in gathering gas so late which makes it weak to early stalker masses. Building outside your ramp is also a bit iffy imo. The build is still given away by lack of gas and a lack of a 2nd pylon so I don't see much value in it. Whenever I see 1 gate in base but other stuff missing (pylon and/or gas) I just always do a slightly delayed 4 gate with plenty of boosting on my stalkers early on. There is no way you can defend that if you have such a late cybercore and got no gas early... The mere existence of 4 gate keeps out-of-the-ordinary things like this in check. WHenever someone smells something fishy they can just do a safe 4 gate and crush this. Only exception here are really close spawns where the early zealot pressure actually does something... | ||
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-iNko
Lithuania160 Posts
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Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
On March 17 2011 12:40 Venomsflame wrote: Also, everyone(myself included) seems to think that it's the lack of gas that throws the idea away. Couldn't a variation be made that grabs the gas? Seeing 1 gate, gas will let the toss rest easy. He will assume the lack of pylon is a mistake or simply not notice at all. P players look for Gate count, gas, then go back to macro and have their probe dance around in base. Definitely an interesting idea! Here's a variation that looks like a 4-gate, excepting the lack of 2nd pylon in the main. It's kind of an "ideal" build that I calculated, haven't tested it yet.. 9 Pylon 11 Pylon (dans natural) 12 Chrono nexus -- 12 Gateway (main) 14 Gateway (natural) 16 Assimilator 16 Cybernetics core 17 Zealot 19 Move two probes to gas 20 Zealot 22 Pylon -- 23 Zealot 25 Chrono gateway x2 25 Move probe to gas 25 Zealot 27 Chrono gateway 27 Stalker 29 Stalker 32 Chrono gateway x2 Gives 20 probes, 4 zealots and 2 stalkers at 4:45. In practise, timings should be similar to Adel's no gas. There's constant probes production in the first two parts but probes are cut in the 3rd part. Somebody scouting the main will notice a pylon, a gate, assimilator and cybcore at relatively normal timings. The lack of 2nd pylon and early warp research will be a strong hint at the build though, but it's easily overlooked ( 2nd pylon could be a proxy anywhere on the map, and it's not easy to see thet warp isn't being researched quickly since it's so standard.. ). If anybody tests it with success, please let me know | ||
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:32 CanucksJC wrote: Yo, the first replay is against you 4 gating. LOL -_- lol, my friends beat me all the time with 2 gate openings on close spawn maps. I'll re-watch it later and give my victim analysis. | ||
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noelsusman
United States19 Posts
On March 18 2011 00:45 Nyast wrote: 9 Pylon 11 Pylon (dans natural) 12 Chrono nexus -- 12 Gateway (main) 14 Gateway (natural) 16 Assimilator 16 Cybernetics core 17 Zealot 19 Move two probes to gas 20 Zealot 22 Pylon -- 23 Zealot 25 Chrono gateway x2 25 Move probe to gas 25 Zealot 27 Chrono gateway 27 Stalker 29 Stalker 32 Chrono gateway x2 Gives 20 probes, 4 zealots and 2 stalkers at 4:45. In practise, timings should be similar to Adel's no gas. There's constant probes production in the first two parts but probes are cut in the 3rd part. There's no way you can go 9 pylon, 11 pylon, 12 gate, 14 gate, 16 gas, 16 core without cutting probes. | ||
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Gecko
United States519 Posts
.EDIT:i would proxy it towards the opponents base, because if you put it in the natural you would lose it to a 4gate rush. | ||
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rsvp
United States2266 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
The sign of no gas and no 2nd pylon could easy indicate the proxy gate and the defender could simply react based on the chrono boost ammount saved up on the nexus. a skill player should be able to fence this off and just get ahead based on wrap tech. The matter of proxy gate in adel build simply wont solve any problems in defending 4 gates. Infact it could put you in a huge disadv due to the fact that you wont have any FF adv once the cybercore finish. Losing pylon in the wraptech-finish-period is huge and losing a gate is even bigger. Unless you proxy 2 more gates at the enemy nature and 3 gates all-in, there should be no chance this working at high master =__= | ||
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
TBH I thought you were just bad, (dont take offense lol, i think i was higher then you on ladder at the time, i dont think you were anywhere near 3k master's i dont really remember) So when i scouted your base all i really noticed was that your cyber core was super late and you were chrono boosting zealots off of 1 gate. If i would have payed attention i probably would have noticed a missing pylon and scouted frantically for shenanigans... Also Im not sure if this would work on larger maps as I would have completed Warpgates in time to hold off your push and counter attack. | ||
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