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SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
February 22 2011 22:21 GMT
#41
Awesome thread, looking forward to similar guides in the future.
Bird up
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
February 22 2011 22:44 GMT
#42
Thank you a lot for this, it will be of great use : )
I am Latedi.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 22 2011 22:49 GMT
#43
Sheer awesome as always Plexa, thanks a lot!
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 22 2011 22:52 GMT
#44
On February 23 2011 06:52 dcberkeley wrote:
Great thread.

I may be wrong, but isn't one row of workers = 8 workers and not 10? Unless you meant selecting only those mining minerals.
Yeah, I mean selecting only the workers mining minerals. I will edit the post to make this more clear.
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redoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States333 Posts
February 22 2011 23:29 GMT
#45
Very informative read! I think you covered everything that someone ignorant on the subject of closely reviewing replays (me) needs to know.
The horror...the horror
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
February 22 2011 23:56 GMT
#46
As an addendum...
In my opinion, the main reason this thread exists is to help you think for yourselves (and hopefully reduce the amount of [H] threads that litter the forums). After all, why ask others for help when you can help yourself?
So, before you make a thread asking why you lost or what you could have done better, make sure you're doing everything you need to be doing first. You may think "only pros do everything consistently" or "I'm only in Gold league, I don't need to do every single thing" or "I may have done some things wrong, but my opponent did too!" This is a terrible mindset, especially in lower leagues, because that's where macro actually makes a huge difference. For the people who try to help you out, it's really frustrating to try to give advice on gameplay when you consistently see little things like getting supply blocked at 26 or not chronoing probes until you have 40 energy or not building enough barracks and then queuing 4 marines on each one. Each one of these "little things" adds up, especially in the early game, and could very well give you a disadvantage that's pretty much impossible to come back from.
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
February 23 2011 01:49 GMT
#47
I'm extremely happy that the program is written in java, for us lowly mac users. (And it's a nice example of what I'll be able to do when I improve my java.)

This is fantastic information. You guys are great. My heartfelt thanks.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 23 2011 06:33 GMT
#48
On February 23 2011 08:56 Saracen wrote:
As an addendum...
In my opinion, the main reason this thread exists is to help you think for yourselves (and hopefully reduce the amount of [H] threads that litter the forums). After all, why ask others for help when you can help yourself?
So, before you make a thread asking why you lost or what you could have done better, make sure you're doing everything you need to be doing first. You may think "only pros do everything consistently" or "I'm only in Gold league, I don't need to do every single thing" or "I may have done some things wrong, but my opponent did too!" This is a terrible mindset, especially in lower leagues, because that's where macro actually makes a huge difference. For the people who try to help you out, it's really frustrating to try to give advice on gameplay when you consistently see little things like getting supply blocked at 26 or not chronoing probes until you have 40 energy or not building enough barracks and then queuing 4 marines on each one. Each one of these "little things" adds up, especially in the early game, and could very well give you a disadvantage that's pretty much impossible to come back from.

Somewhat agreed! While Macro'ing properly is definitely important, there is more to the game than just macro. Even if both sides macro'd poorly, so long as the army counts are around equal during battle that is all that matters (or if one side was greatly ahead, and lost). It is usually clear when one player loses because of macro and while 'better macro' would have won an even game, there are many other things which would have also won the game. It might have been better troop positioning, it might have been better micro, it might have been better decision making like countering instead of attacking head on. So while the little things add up, in an even game there are more factors at work than just macro.

Also the "macro better" attitude isn't always the most useful attitude to have in the strategy forum. That could be applied to every single level and still be true!! It's an empty truth in this regard. So while the strategy forum can be used to get advice on how to macro better, there are also many other things that you could be learning from there
- What unit composition beats what (this really is bronze information, and should be contained in liquipedia)
- How to engage battles properly
- How to make better decisions in game
- How to gauge what your opponent is doing with minimal information

Things like refining a build order, having a build order (-.-; ), this is my awesome new build order please rate it!!!!! and whatnot are all examples of bad questions to ask in the strategy forum. Once infinity's guide is out that should help with this though!
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holyhalo5
Profile Joined October 2009
United States187 Posts
February 23 2011 06:40 GMT
#49
On February 23 2011 01:57 Plexa wrote:
There is a myth that is commonly believed by higher level players, and that is that macroing better is the be all and end all of improving at lower levels. While better macro would have won the game, that doesn’t mean there isn’t valuable information to be gained from deeply analysing your play such as proper decision making. Understanding why your macro failed you and identifying ways to fix it can all be understood via replay analysis and will lead to quicker improvement. Further, other mistakes you make should be fixed as you are improving your macro - this leads to a healthier overall game



THANK YOU. friggin higher level players don't get it when lower level players ask them to analyze replays.

i'll be quoting this quite a bit :D
I'm cold as iceeeee
ShamTao
Profile Joined September 2010
United States419 Posts
February 23 2011 06:44 GMT
#50
A good read, for newcomers to replay analysis and regulars alike- well done, Plexa
In the game of drones, you win or you die!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 08:57:45
February 23 2011 08:55 GMT
#51
On February 23 2011 15:40 holyhalo5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 01:57 Plexa wrote:
There is a myth that is commonly believed by higher level players, and that is that macroing better is the be all and end all of improving at lower levels. While better macro would have won the game, that doesn’t mean there isn’t valuable information to be gained from deeply analysing your play such as proper decision making. Understanding why your macro failed you and identifying ways to fix it can all be understood via replay analysis and will lead to quicker improvement. Further, other mistakes you make should be fixed as you are improving your macro - this leads to a healthier overall game



THANK YOU. friggin higher level players don't get it when lower level players ask them to analyze replays.

i'll be quoting this quite a bit :D

That doesn't mean macro isn't an incredibly important part of your play, and it also means there is no point asking a pro to analyse a game where you lost because your opponent had superior macro because the answer is obvious. Only games where the game was even or where you were ahead should be up for analysis. Simply put - if his army is bigger than yours (check army tab) then that's why you lost. So feel free to use the quote, given you're actually using it in games where it applies. Using it out of context is a quick way to disneyland
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Mofisto
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom585 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 10:14:45
February 23 2011 09:25 GMT
#52
On February 23 2011 05:31 Plexa wrote:
recommended threads thread that popped up and hopefully that will list this as one of the basic guides.



Already been done mate.

As a side note i've had another idea which might help clean up the strategy forum. You could have a separate, dedicated replay section as a sub-section of the strategy forum. That way anybody asking "analyse my play" could post in that section, and the strategy forum would be just that, a place to discuss strategies.
"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
February 23 2011 09:48 GMT
#53
Thank you so much.
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 10:19:08
February 23 2011 10:11 GMT
#54
bloody awesome thread, thanks very muchPlexa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Going to give this a read to make sure im not missing anything!!
Live and Let Die!
Xanatoss
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany539 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 10:40:45
February 23 2011 10:40 GMT
#55
Every thread potentially contains a new piece of knowledge 8]
Going to try that "Analysing one region at a time"
Great writeup and a welcome relief from "Did this game. Am Gold, lost to X, analyse plx!" (personal analysis != description of the game)
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss. MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see." You back slowly out of the booth. But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
February 23 2011 12:08 GMT
#56
Woah, SC2 gears is awesome program!
thx for telling about it :D
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SchLing
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway27 Posts
February 23 2011 13:42 GMT
#57
Amazing post :D

I have been wondering a long time on how to approach this topic. I mean, I do watch Day9 and such but he is so much better than me at finding stuff that I have troubles understanding how he sees it all. Hopefully this post will make me learn a lot faster.

Would it be possible to get this post as a sticky or something?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44256 Posts
February 23 2011 13:50 GMT
#58
Great and ridiculously useful thread

Thanks so much for posting this!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 23 2011 14:29 GMT
#59
On February 23 2011 22:42 SchLing wrote:
Amazing post :D

I have been wondering a long time on how to approach this topic. I mean, I do watch Day9 and such but he is so much better than me at finding stuff that I have troubles understanding how he sees it all. Hopefully this post will make me learn a lot faster.

Would it be possible to get this post as a sticky or something?

We'll be stickying the recommended threads thread instead.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
February 23 2011 14:32 GMT
#60
On February 23 2011 23:29 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 22:42 SchLing wrote:
Amazing post :D

I have been wondering a long time on how to approach this topic. I mean, I do watch Day9 and such but he is so much better than me at finding stuff that I have troubles understanding how he sees it all. Hopefully this post will make me learn a lot faster.

Would it be possible to get this post as a sticky or something?

We'll be stickying the recommended threads thread instead.


Awesome! Uhhh....recommended is spelled incorrectly, and it's been a couple weeks. Do you think you could remedy that? XD
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