EPT[G] Analysing Replays - Page 3
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SiegeFlank
United States408 Posts
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Latedi
Sweden1026 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12019 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa38209 Posts
On February 23 2011 06:52 dcberkeley wrote: Yeah, I mean selecting only the workers mining minerals. I will edit the post to make this more clear.Great thread. I may be wrong, but isn't one row of workers = 8 workers and not 10? Unless you meant selecting only those mining minerals. | ||
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redoxx
United States333 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
In my opinion, the main reason this thread exists is to help you think for yourselves (and hopefully reduce the amount of [H] threads that litter the forums). After all, why ask others for help when you can help yourself? So, before you make a thread asking why you lost or what you could have done better, make sure you're doing everything you need to be doing first. You may think "only pros do everything consistently" or "I'm only in Gold league, I don't need to do every single thing" or "I may have done some things wrong, but my opponent did too!" This is a terrible mindset, especially in lower leagues, because that's where macro actually makes a huge difference. For the people who try to help you out, it's really frustrating to try to give advice on gameplay when you consistently see little things like getting supply blocked at 26 or not chronoing probes until you have 40 energy or not building enough barracks and then queuing 4 marines on each one. Each one of these "little things" adds up, especially in the early game, and could very well give you a disadvantage that's pretty much impossible to come back from. | ||
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Indrium
United States2222 Posts
This is fantastic information. You guys are great. My heartfelt thanks. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa38209 Posts
On February 23 2011 08:56 Saracen wrote: As an addendum... In my opinion, the main reason this thread exists is to help you think for yourselves (and hopefully reduce the amount of [H] threads that litter the forums). After all, why ask others for help when you can help yourself? So, before you make a thread asking why you lost or what you could have done better, make sure you're doing everything you need to be doing first. You may think "only pros do everything consistently" or "I'm only in Gold league, I don't need to do every single thing" or "I may have done some things wrong, but my opponent did too!" This is a terrible mindset, especially in lower leagues, because that's where macro actually makes a huge difference. For the people who try to help you out, it's really frustrating to try to give advice on gameplay when you consistently see little things like getting supply blocked at 26 or not chronoing probes until you have 40 energy or not building enough barracks and then queuing 4 marines on each one. Each one of these "little things" adds up, especially in the early game, and could very well give you a disadvantage that's pretty much impossible to come back from. Somewhat agreed! While Macro'ing properly is definitely important, there is more to the game than just macro. Even if both sides macro'd poorly, so long as the army counts are around equal during battle that is all that matters (or if one side was greatly ahead, and lost). It is usually clear when one player loses because of macro and while 'better macro' would have won an even game, there are many other things which would have also won the game. It might have been better troop positioning, it might have been better micro, it might have been better decision making like countering instead of attacking head on. So while the little things add up, in an even game there are more factors at work than just macro. Also the "macro better" attitude isn't always the most useful attitude to have in the strategy forum. That could be applied to every single level and still be true!! It's an empty truth in this regard. So while the strategy forum can be used to get advice on how to macro better, there are also many other things that you could be learning from there - What unit composition beats what (this really is bronze information, and should be contained in liquipedia) - How to engage battles properly - How to make better decisions in game - How to gauge what your opponent is doing with minimal information Things like refining a build order, having a build order (-.-; ), this is my awesome new build order please rate it!!!!! and whatnot are all examples of bad questions to ask in the strategy forum. Once infinity's guide is out that should help with this though! | ||
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holyhalo5
United States163 Posts
On February 23 2011 01:57 Plexa wrote: There is a myth that is commonly believed by higher level players, and that is that macroing better is the be all and end all of improving at lower levels. While better macro would have won the game, that doesn’t mean there isn’t valuable information to be gained from deeply analysing your play such as proper decision making. Understanding why your macro failed you and identifying ways to fix it can all be understood via replay analysis and will lead to quicker improvement. Further, other mistakes you make should be fixed as you are improving your macro - this leads to a healthier overall game THANK YOU. friggin higher level players don't get it when lower level players ask them to analyze replays. i'll be quoting this quite a bit :D | ||
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ShamTao
United States417 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa38209 Posts
On February 23 2011 15:40 holyhalo5 wrote: THANK YOU. friggin higher level players don't get it when lower level players ask them to analyze replays. i'll be quoting this quite a bit :D That doesn't mean macro isn't an incredibly important part of your play, and it also means there is no point asking a pro to analyse a game where you lost because your opponent had superior macro because the answer is obvious. Only games where the game was even or where you were ahead should be up for analysis. Simply put - if his army is bigger than yours (check army tab) then that's why you lost. So feel free to use the quote, given you're actually using it in games where it applies. Using it out of context is a quick way to disneyland  | ||
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Mofisto
United Kingdom585 Posts
On February 23 2011 05:31 Plexa wrote: recommended threads thread that popped up and hopefully that will list this as one of the basic guides. Already been done mate. As a side note i've had another idea which might help clean up the strategy forum. You could have a separate, dedicated replay section as a sub-section of the strategy forum. That way anybody asking "analyse my play" could post in that section, and the strategy forum would be just that, a place to discuss strategies. | ||
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jarrydesque
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Tommylew
Wales2716 Posts
Going to give this a read to make sure im not missing anything!! | ||
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Xanatoss
Germany539 Posts
Going to try that "Analysing one region at a time" Great writeup and a welcome relief from "Did this game. Am Gold, lost to X, analyse plx!" (personal analysis != description of the game) | ||
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Welmu
Finland3294 Posts
thx for telling about it :D | ||
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SchLing
Norway27 Posts
I have been wondering a long time on how to approach this topic. I mean, I do watch Day9 and such but he is so much better than me at finding stuff that I have troubles understanding how he sees it all. Hopefully this post will make me learn a lot faster. Would it be possible to get this post as a sticky or something? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States39694 Posts
 Thanks so much for posting this! | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa38209 Posts
On February 23 2011 22:42 SchLing wrote: Amazing post :D I have been wondering a long time on how to approach this topic. I mean, I do watch Day9 and such but he is so much better than me at finding stuff that I have troubles understanding how he sees it all. Hopefully this post will make me learn a lot faster. Would it be possible to get this post as a sticky or something? We'll be stickying the recommended threads thread instead. | ||
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Synystyr
United States1415 Posts
On February 23 2011 23:29 Plexa wrote: We'll be stickying the recommended threads thread instead. Awesome! Uhhh....recommended is spelled incorrectly, and it's been a couple weeks. Do you think you could remedy that? XD | ||
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