EPT[D] ZvP/T 3RR at it's absolute fastest - 3:33 FTW! - Page 3
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ktgster
Canada70 Posts
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Sajuuk7
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branflakes14
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On February 22 2011 04:50 Sajuuk7 wrote: Nice, but more importantly, what do you call this all-in build if the previous was Lightning Ragnarok Shining Majesty? Do you call it the Almighty Omega Swift Lightning Ragnarok Shining Majesty (AOSLRSM)!? Rolls right off the tongue. | ||
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Ncinerate
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Still testing some other ideas on variations, but it seems pretty polished as-is  . | ||
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ibgeekn4me
United States75 Posts
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
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_Fiction_
United States33 Posts
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Gecko
United States519 Posts
I still like this cheese, i'm stealing this for customs and smurfing | ||
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Sajuuk7
134 Posts
On February 22 2011 04:57 ibgeekn4me wrote: has anyone run this through evolution chamber to determine if this is the FASTEST possible? I am running right now and will report the results shortly... I don't see myself using this, but it is interesting... His build is exactly what evolution chamber comes up with. It's the fastest way to get 3 Roaches bar none. | ||
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CookieMaker
Canada880 Posts
On February 22 2011 02:17 ch33psh33p wrote: No, you're thinking of 2 Rax aggression. Marine scv all-in is when you bring ALL YOUR SCVS. If held off, its an autowin for the other player just the same. Completely disagreed. To hold off 2-rax aggression you 99% of the time need to pull drones, and the only way it's truly "held off" is if you come out with much more drones than they have scv's. If the scv/drone count is even close to similar at the end of the battle, terran calls mules and very quickly overtakes zerg in economy. If terran trades scv's effeciently for drones, it's gg. | ||
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BoxedLunch
United States387 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
Second protoss doesn't pylon scout on a 4 player map, sees roach warren on 15 and drops the forge on 19. The reactions are so ridiculously bad I'm just gonna assume this doesn't work as of now. :p | ||
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spacenegroes
United States80 Posts
There is no timing gap where the toss is vulnerable as long as he is diligent with that probe. 7RR, 5RR, 3R+speedlings, this new 3RR--they are all hard countered by a diligent 9-scout. Period. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
On February 22 2011 06:57 spacenegroes wrote: There has never been a 1-base roach build that comes out ahead. AFAIK all good toss scout on 9 against zerg, partly to check for early pool, but also to block a 15 hatch. (This is not needed against T and P.) If you don't make any lings before your roach warren, it will get scouted, which means you auto-lose. If you make lings and chase off the probe before the roach warren, it will come too late, and the toss will have stalkers and sentries out. There is no timing gap where the toss is vulnerable as long as he is diligent with that probe. 7RR, 5RR, 3R+speedlings, this new 3RR--they are all hard countered by a diligent 9-scout. Period. How does the 9 probe go about killing 3roaches + reinforcements :O | ||
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RoseTempest
Canada196 Posts
On February 22 2011 07:49 Rotodyne wrote: How does the 9 probe go about killing 3roaches + reinforcements :O Are you trolling? Diligent scouting/micro-ing the probe in their base lets you know exactly what they're doing, especially since they're not building lings to kill off the scout. Once the warren drops, or even before that, you're gonna know something is wrong. As far as i'm concerned, this is only plausible on a 4 player map with an unlucky scout. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
On February 22 2011 08:03 RoseTempest wrote: Are you trolling? Diligent scouting/micro-ing the probe in their base lets you know exactly what they're doing, especially since they're not building lings to kill off the scout. Once the warren drops, or even before that, you're gonna know something is wrong. As far as i'm concerned, this is only plausible on a 4 player map with an unlucky scout. Yes I was trolling, but I want to know the response to this He left it out. Nvm, i guess its insta cannon. | ||
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spacenegroes
United States80 Posts
On February 22 2011 08:17 Rotodyne wrote: Yes I was trolling, but I want to know the response to this He left it out.If I run in and see a 9-pool (which basically means halfway-completed pool), i immediately drop a forge at the choke, stop probe production until I can get up a gateway and a cannon, then watch to see what you do with your larvae while resuming probes. If you save them for the pool to pop, I know it's lings, and I complete the wall with a second pylon and let my cannon take care of your lings. This build, however, builds drones while the pool is going, and also gets a gas. Obvious roach rush is obvious. Then of course a roach warren goes down to give it away, and I'll continue probe production and get a gas into a cycore when I can. I throw down a second cannon when the roach warren pops (so I don't get tricked by a cancel, and since the roach build time + walk time is way more than I need to get a cannon up). Run the scout probe away, hide it to use for forward pylons/checking on zerg expo timing down the line. After that I defend against the roaches mostly passively with the cannons, then get up a couple more gateways, macro up. If zerg expanded relatively quickly, I'm ahead, I just need to do a standard 3 gate expo and pressure at the standard timings. If zerg stayed on 1 base, check for ninja expos, get a robo asap to check what he's doing, expand safely and kill. Again, no 1 base roach push has ever come out ahead if toss pylon scouts. | ||
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SolidZeal
United States393 Posts
Most the time we just slapped apart their feeble defenses and completely destroyed one of the opponents economy. He goes into muta harrass mode then I start building my econ and get upgrades. We ran into trouble against a terran/protoss team on a map that allowed a co-defense where the protoss went blind forge first and the terran went double rax marauder after scouting. A lot of 2v2 maps don't allow for co-defense and blind forge is rare, so I think it's a way strong build for 2s. It's probably our new standard opening from now on as it snatched us sooo many wins tonight. Thank you so much for the build. | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
dno how ppl can even lose to it tbh | ||
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