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rmAmnesiac
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom185 Posts
April 15 2011 17:24 GMT
#41
it is extremely important at all levels, yes and i wish i was better at it myslef. i can imagine doing something like plyaing customs with scrolling disabled would reallly force you to use it more, although it might seem weird at first. i have also been curious recently about camera views after someone metioned how he uses them all the time. is this something many people use as well, in conjuction with heavy minimap use to reduce scrolling time even further?
FatalRuin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States45 Posts
April 15 2011 17:24 GMT
#42
Maybe playing another game which requires you to look at something other than the main screen?

For me, I used to play MapleStory pretty hardcore and you would have to look at the top right of the screen constantly to make sure your buffs were still there. This especially held true at boss raids which I loved doing. Mages have it harder because they need a certain buff on in order to simply survive at normal monsters. Also before there was the flashing HP and MP bar option you would constantly have to look down to see if your hp was getting depleted faster than you would like.

I would say if you simply want looking at map practice then maybe try something like a FPS game where the mini map is relatively simple and knowing where the red dots are could prevent a death or net you a kill. Though I would say any game that requires you to look at places other then the center of the screen would help. The more important it is to look away the easier it is to train yourself to do so.

This might or might not help but since I played MapleStory and a few FPS games before switching over to mainly playing SCII I find that looking at the mini map feels perfectly natural to me.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
April 15 2011 17:48 GMT
#43
Watch Day[9]'s Newbie Tuesdays, in one he dedicates about 30 minutes to just talking about how crucial the minimap is. I suggest watching these, as they can drastically improve your play.
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Axion12
Profile Joined September 2010
11 Posts
April 15 2011 18:55 GMT
#44
You could also tie that action of looking at the minimap to something else. For instance, every time I finish quickly cycling through my production hotkeys I glance at the minimap, then repeat this process!
Dagon
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania264 Posts
April 15 2011 19:13 GMT
#45
On February 20 2011 16:26 Asparagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 14:58 OriginalBeast wrote:
Like if your a bronze player you honestly don't need to look at the minimap, even though day9 says it was a good thing to do. You need to remember day9 was a professional gamer, has spent literally years of his life playing the game. To take ALL of his advice as a bronze league player is going to be too much.

However, if your like a gold/plat/diamond (I assume masters are on top of their shit) mini map watching will come naturally as you learn your builds. Like when I started going colossus in PvZ I realized that scouting and placing pylons give me vision to watch for mutas and then I stopped becoming worried about mutas because I learned that minimap vision fixed that problem. So like it came naturally as I got better is what I'm trying to say.


Sure it was only pylon placement and map vision that helped your pvz there pal?


Haha.. That had me laughing for 5 mins straight! Touche!

And about the minimap, set your mouse scroll speed very low for some 100 games (allmost nonexistant) and then you will be forces to use the minimap..
Also, the advice about moving your head îs very good as it enhanches muscle memory more than just moving your eyes..
love.less
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom293 Posts
April 15 2011 19:30 GMT
#46
personally for my eyes terran off on mini map makes coloured dots stand out way more in the corner of my eye

might not be for you but works for me you should try it
MightyThor7
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2 Posts
April 15 2011 19:35 GMT
#47
A lot of people were talking about minimap awareness as something that will come in time when you get your build orders and macro more refined.. This is close to correct, but the important parts lies not with how your build orders are coming, but more so with how your macro is coming. For instance, Day9 always says "watch your minimap while you macro!" This is very important, for if you have all of your hotkeys set up to your comfort you will literally have nothing else to do while you are macro managing, except look at your minimap.. Can't click on things when you're scrolling through your hotkeys...
shizna
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 19:47:10
April 15 2011 19:42 GMT
#48
when you're confident in your mechanics, you have loads of extra time to be more aware, scout, harrass, look at minimap etc.

i think the main problem people have was when they're struggling with micro/macro, they simply don't have time to look at minimap. that's what i found anyway.

i remember playing 2v2 with a friend, and watching replay from my perspective i could see that there was sooo much going on which i didn't have a clue about because in order to macro i had to 100% focus on it.

so yeah... just give it time and concentrate on improving your macro. then when your macro is better, you can effectively macro while harrassing or watching minimap etc.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
April 15 2011 20:05 GMT
#49
On February 20 2011 13:56 leb wrote:
We all know how important it is to constantly keep an eye on the minimap. It allows us those precious extra seconds to deal with whatever's coming our way and often times means the difference between winning and losing a battle. Lately I've found that this is an area in my game where I'm struggling, and it has cost me multiple games. I've tried to keep it in mind as something that I need to constantly cycle through, like ressources and supply, but as soon as anything of interest is happening on the screen, my eyes drift away and I make critical mistakes.

So the question is simple: What are effective ways to increase minimap awareness so that our eyes are constantly glancing at the bottom left corner? If you've developped a technique or a routine or anything really, please share it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208343

Look at section 6.05. There you go.
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
April 15 2011 20:18 GMT
#50
You can always try the artosis approach he mentioned in gsl, by just playing without sound completely and forcing yourself to look out for everything.
Probably pretty annoying vs drops, nydus, dts, and all that in the start, but eventually it will most likely help.
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DuckS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
April 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#51
play the game for a few weeks to even a month without sound. it'll force you to look at your mini map constantly to know what is going on
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HiredGoonThug
Profile Joined March 2011
United States72 Posts
April 15 2011 20:35 GMT
#52
Create simple mental triggers for yourself.
For instance, if you are a zerg.
"Just selected larva, better look at the minimap cause I know my hotkeys"
"Just injected, better work on creep spread *uses minimap to go to active tumors*"
"Just added these units to a control group, better regroup everything using the minimap." And so on. Minimap awareness is easiest for zerg because they don't have to go back to base camera to build supply and they have the easiest way of gaining vision (ovie spread, creep spread)
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
April 15 2011 20:58 GMT
#53
I highly suggest playing without sound as many posters have mentioned. It will also improve your macro since you are not depending on audible queues to determine when buildings are completed and end up checking your facilities more.

Another tip is to play practice games where neither you or your practice partner can map scroll at all and focus on attacking by drops. I guarantee you that you do a few of those types of games a week you will end up looking at the minimap much more often.

Watch streams/vods on full screen and force yourself to constantly be looking at the minimap. It is entertaining because you will eventually see that casters miss a ton of things (Mostly because the big battle is more visually impressive to the audience). I love to do this when I watch qxc play.

If you continually practice looking and moving by the minimap you will eventually get the hang of it. Also, watching your replays once-through with your eyes glued to the minimap can tell you a ton about how you play. The moment you see an enemy pop onto your minimap (or expose themselves somehow) pause the game, check where your camera was, and see what you were doing that made you not look at the minimap. That will help you better realize at what times you weren't looking and allow you to fix it.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
gavinashun
Profile Joined October 2010
101 Posts
April 15 2011 22:18 GMT
#54
On April 16 2011 00:47 Moja wrote:
Play an APM trainer with no sound. Once you can beat it consistently, you'll be MUCH better about looking at the minimap.


What is an APM trainer?
dicedicerevolution
Profile Joined October 2009
United States245 Posts
April 15 2011 22:32 GMT
#55
The best advice I ever got was from Cecil's guide: play the game with no sound on. That way you're literally forced to play by using your eyes efficiently to know about anything going on in the game.

Note that you really want to have an idea on how to execute your build order when you do this so you don't have to stop to think about what to do next. It really slows your playing speed down a lot when you have to stop to think what to do next, and it's too much to focus on at once when you're trying new things (remembering build + watching minimap).

lordsurya08
Profile Joined September 2011
United States141 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 00:20:31
July 01 2012 00:19 GMT
#56
On February 20 2011 16:26 Asparagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 14:58 OriginalBeast wrote:
Like if your a bronze player you honestly don't need to look at the minimap, even though day9 says it was a good thing to do. You need to remember day9 was a professional gamer, has spent literally years of his life playing the game. To take ALL of his advice as a bronze league player is going to be too much.

However, if your like a gold/plat/diamond (I assume masters are on top of their shit) mini map watching will come naturally as you learn your builds. Like when I started going colossus in PvZ I realized that scouting and placing pylons give me vision to watch for mutas and then I stopped becoming worried about mutas because I learned that minimap vision fixed that problem. So like it came naturally as I got better is what I'm trying to say.


Sure it was only pylon placement and map vision that helped your pvz there pal?


Bwahahahahaha that was hilarious. You made my day, good sir.

Back to topic...if I remember correctly there was a clever custom game to train you to look at the minimap regularly...I'll see if I can find it.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
July 01 2012 01:09 GMT
#57
On July 01 2012 09:19 lordsurya08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 16:26 Asparagus wrote:
On February 20 2011 14:58 OriginalBeast wrote:
Like if your a bronze player you honestly don't need to look at the minimap, even though day9 says it was a good thing to do. You need to remember day9 was a professional gamer, has spent literally years of his life playing the game. To take ALL of his advice as a bronze league player is going to be too much.

However, if your like a gold/plat/diamond (I assume masters are on top of their shit) mini map watching will come naturally as you learn your builds. Like when I started going colossus in PvZ I realized that scouting and placing pylons give me vision to watch for mutas and then I stopped becoming worried about mutas because I learned that minimap vision fixed that problem. So like it came naturally as I got better is what I'm trying to say.


Sure it was only pylon placement and map vision that helped your pvz there pal?


Bwahahahahaha that was hilarious. You made my day, good sir.

Back to topic...if I remember correctly there was a clever custom game to train you to look at the minimap regularly...I'll see if I can find it.


There is absolutely NO NEED to bump this just to say that.
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Don.681
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines189 Posts
July 01 2012 07:46 GMT
#58
Dude, seriously try this.

1. Check your money, is it low? Not near supply block? Yes? Smile.
2. Check your Nexi, are you making probes? Energy low? Yes? Smile.
3. Check your minimap, arey you safe? Yes? Smile.

Keeps your head cool as well. :-)
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 01 2012 08:14 GMT
#59
^ I had a look and couldn't find it but there was a Day9 daily that said just that. It was really good advice at the time and still is. Have a rhythm to look at supply, money, minimap, CC/whatever.

I think he called it the taps or something. Anyway point being that's good advice for new/rising players.
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genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
July 01 2012 08:25 GMT
#60
On February 20 2011 16:19 Dhalphir wrote:
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On February 20 2011 15:53 ZarMulix wrote:
I guess just being comfortable with hotkeys and your build order helps free up some pockets of time and processing power to try and be more tactically aware.


This is a big one. If you're still struggling with basic hotkeys and being confident in your build, you really don't have the time to spare to watch the minimap, and other, more important things will suffer if you try.

Focus on getting your normal gameplay (building things on time, keeping up with production, etc) down to the point of automation. You'll then find that watching the minimap will come naturally and be much easier as you'll have periods where your mind isn't actively thinking about anything, your hands are doing things by themselves.


I think this is the biggest one. I'm only low master here, but I noticed that as I moved up (slowly, lol) in Diamond and refined my mechanics and build orders, looking at the mini-map simply came naturally once you start to do things automatically. Once things like building probes and pylons become second nature you will find you have a lot (at least a lot comparably) of time to look at the mini-map and notice things like drops.

For me it came quite slowly, but if it's any consolation it also came naturally, I guess I never though of playing games against the AI to practice the head moving thing. That makes a lot of sense, although I'm spending a lot of time practicing mouse accuracy currently.
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