[G] A Smarter Protoss Wall-In? - Page 2

On February 19 2011 16:50 andrewwiggin wrote:
Don't want to be losing my cybernetics core to 3 roaches =/

On February 19 2011 16:47 AbeToss wrote:

Could you elaborate more on the ways to make the gateway/core less vulnerable with the standard wall-in?

On February 19 2011 17:11 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
really nice writeup
in my opening that wallin has one serious flaw tho
theres a zerling rush which includes all drones -> slipping through your zealot and if your zealot is not in a small tunnel he will die very fast -> you lose

On February 19 2011 17:01 eGoTricKShoT wrote:


what i meant by making your gateway/cyber core less vulnerable is basically what you have in the second picture of the current standard wall in... you keep the core as far away from the edge of the wall as possible so the roaches cant range it from the low ground, or on certain maps if they can its usually only one roach that can (altho this isnt always true), and get that stalker out as soon as possible to stay out of range of the low ground roaches while still hitting them... they can switch to the gateway which is on the other side of the ramp but they wont kill it before 1-2 stalkers are able to kill off the 3 roaches - i explained the best i could, hope it made sense even without pictures which would make it more clear... with this new wall in that core can be hit by all 3 roaches + any reinforcments that come making it more vulnerable than the standard wall in

On February 19 2011 17:00 Gooey wrote:
I also use a different walloff, although not like this one. The way I wall off allows you to be protected from both cheese and standard ling pokes as usual.

Ends up looking like this:

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You will have the minerals to start your pylon before the zealot pops out to wall off for a standard 14 pool, and also have the 3x3 space to drop a forge to wall off any super early pool (or another gateway if you prefer). The great part is that you can wall off with high HP buildings that buy plenty of time for warpgate to finish. The cyber core is far enough back that it cannot be picked off by roaches, leaving only gateways (or if you need the panic forge) exposed. It can't be baneling busted easily either, even though the pylon seems like a weak point. You can prevent this by just building another one behind it and stuffing more zealots into the little hole (or just use sentries and laugh like I do? idk).

I haven't had any problems ever with this wall, and can stop any and all cheese zerg can do. I have tried every combo, and this is absolutely the safest wall for a standard ramp.

On February 19 2011 17:10 EnTaroAdun411 wrote:
The biggest problem I see with this is how vulnerable the pylon is. Unless you had a second pylon powering the wall in. As a zerg, I'd focus the zealot first then the pylon, or if the zealot is in hold position, I'd take out the pylon.

On February 19 2011 17:17 Wolf wrote:


Yeah, there's this, and the pylon is more exposed. There are weaknesses to both. Thanks for the writeup though!

On February 19 2011 17:21 branflakes14 wrote:


My worry with that wall-in would be that the Zealot can still be picked off by rushed Roaches.

On February 19 2011 17:26 AbeToss wrote:


To address both your concerns, this wall in creates a 1 space wide gap for your zealot between your cybernetics core and pylon. Drones cannot move through a zealot (at least in the direction of your main) that is on hold position. If you do scout a 6 pool/drone all in, wall off as I pointed out.

As I pointed out your pylon is actually less exposed from the real threat, roaches.

And your welcome =].

On February 19 2011 17:52 Supah wrote:
Saw your redirect from the other thread, appreciated.

I agree this can help from Roaches sniping from the side, but it seems like the Zealot is a ton more exposed to lings this way, instead of 1 or 2 lings it looks like 3 or 4 may be able to hit the Zealot at one time.

On February 19 2011 16:50 andrewwiggin wrote:
Don't want to be losing my cybernetics core to 3 roaches =/