• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:40
CEST 11:40
KST 18:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 AquaTrail-(I've Tested) My 90 Day Honest Experienc https://www.facebook.com/Power.Pro.Genius.USD/ Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7266 users

[G] iEchoic's 2fact2port TvT - Page 48

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 46 47 48 49 50 56 Next
Mikelodeon
Profile Joined May 2011
6 Posts
May 13 2011 02:13 GMT
#941
Hi, check out my replay using this strategy.

1v1 Ladder Match Platinum:
http://www.sc2rep.com/replays/download?id=8220

I've included tanks.
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
May 15 2011 14:00 GMT
#942
How do you deal with cloak banshee with this style? I mean, it's ridiculous to find room for detection in the middle of getting 2x Fact and 2x Starport, while making blue flame helion upgrade, helions, banshees, and its just too expensive to get a turret or raven up. Any suggestions?
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Xenocidersc2
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States237 Posts
May 15 2011 14:05 GMT
#943
You're just gonna need good scouting, I usually scan around the 5 minute mark and see what they have in their base, If it looks like they have Cloaked banshees on the way then you're going to have to cut your hellions and save 1/2 scans.
jrdn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 14:58:55
May 15 2011 14:57 GMT
#944
On May 15 2011 23:00 Bleak wrote:
How do you deal with cloak banshee with this style? I mean, it's ridiculous to find room for detection in the middle of getting 2x Fact and 2x Starport, while making blue flame helion upgrade, helions, banshees, and its just too expensive to get a turret or raven up. Any suggestions?



OP addresses this: open raven and viking after medivac.
“The sole purpose of an opening is to achieve a playable midgame”
Puffstuff
Profile Joined May 2011
United States75 Posts
May 16 2011 13:00 GMT
#945
well...
I ran into the same situation as bleak
banshee appeared at 6:40 mark (no cloak) and took out all my scvs
though if the BO is executed properly (I messed up mine),
you should have your first SP up and running before 6:40 (probably making medivac)
so I guess instead of making a medivac,
open with a viking first, then medivac for drops,
then raven for detection if your opponent goes for cloak?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 05:58:52
May 17 2011 05:46 GMT
#946
nvm
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Drive_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada35 Posts
May 17 2011 08:06 GMT
#947
Hey guys thought I would share a few replays, I have the execution of this build down almost perfectly. Both games are 25 minutes +. I'd say my skill level is upper platinum.

First game is a standard game with a turtling opponent, I get some good hellion harass and eventually transition to battlecruisers to counter his thors.

Second game I stomp all over a mid-game Marine/Tank push and proceed to kill him. Key thing to note in this game is the excellent map and tower control. I saw his push coming a mile away and managed to snipe his marines early on.

http://www.mediafire.com/?51x1k17qsm4lqcx
The file is a RAR file, there is 2 replays.
Blasz
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia7 Posts
May 26 2011 23:47 GMT
#948
How do you defend marine scv all in?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 27 2011 00:09 GMT
#949
On May 27 2011 08:47 Blasz wrote:
How do you defend marine scv all in?

Depends on the timing. If you scout it then build more marines and a bunker. And wall.

If it's delayed and you can get hellions out you're generally safe.
TheLaddergoat
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom34 Posts
May 27 2011 18:23 GMT
#950
This build is countered by marauder/ghost
Marauders rip up helions and ghosts rip up banshees
Cloak isn't a proble because of EMP
Live Long and Expo
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
May 27 2011 18:28 GMT
#951
On May 28 2011 03:23 TheLaddergoat wrote:
This build is countered by marauder/ghost
Marauders rip up helions and ghosts rip up banshees
Cloak isn't a proble because of EMP


Actually ghosts rip through both, as both hellions and banshees are light.
Haven't seen this build in a long time on EU server, not sure why although I never had that big problems with it.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
NoisyNinja
Profile Joined February 2011
United States991 Posts
May 28 2011 15:31 GMT
#952
I hate tanks. I love TvT. I've done this build twice on ladder and have completely dominated the poor bastards. Thank you iechoic
IzieBoy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States865 Posts
May 28 2011 15:47 GMT
#953
lol dam those hellion drops make my fast thors homesick
Let's Do This! Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!
Eps
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada240 Posts
May 28 2011 22:31 GMT
#954
I've been running the build in TvT with good results. It really does punish the immobility of tank users, allowing you to cloak in and snipe and fly out. I've been able to break through some tank contains on banshee power alone.

It's also funny when you run into someone using the same strat.
GGTerran
Profile Joined May 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 22:35:07
May 28 2011 22:34 GMT
#955
i have a bad time when i see someone going iechoic vs my iechoic lol...
i usually do some crazy all in when i see it though
Terran Up The NIGHT
Cube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada777 Posts
May 30 2011 11:15 GMT
#956
thinking about this, does this build not straight up lose to two reapers?
bigwig123
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
163 Posts
May 30 2011 12:05 GMT
#957
Hey i have a question or two about transitioning out of this build. The other day i came across a Terran and we both did the build on zelnaga (dont have replay because it was at a lan and someone needed computer) we both got our naturals up but he realizing we both went this build he put tech labs on all his factory's and made thor's and seige tanks and marauders. I knew if i wanted to stick with the build i had to get bc's but i could not afford them that early in the game. I didn't know what to really do so i got cloak for my banshees but got fucking owned by a volley from 3 thor's with a scan. I found my self in a weird situation where my air was useless and hellion drops killed his economy but he just then a moved in and killed my base 1000x faster because hellions don't do much damage to buildings as we all know. Long story short how do you react to a terran doing the same thing as you and how do you counter thors early in the game when the opponent is familiar with the build.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
May 30 2011 12:32 GMT
#958
in a base trade scenario I make sure to snipe his CC (no more scans) and use cloak bamshees to stop his army. Also, thors are bad against lifted buildings - try to save your starports (and as many other buildings -your CC). Always try to make your opponent waste scans on single banshees before large engagements (this unit comp is very fragile)
OSM.OneManArmy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States509 Posts
May 30 2011 21:20 GMT
#959
I'd like to add something really fast, in the event he goes for a Thor marine marauder viking mix, you may also want to throw a few barracks for marines to kill marauders.

A lot of the time the enemy will Stim forward with marauders and attempt to snipe of your CC and other important structures, and it also helps increase the lifespan of the hellions if you can kill the marauders with marines.
Admin of High School Starleague // hsstarleague.com // https://www.facebook.com/HSStarleague // UCI Dota2 President https://www.facebook.com/groups/ucidota/
tastocis
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada14 Posts
May 31 2011 02:09 GMT
#960
how does this build get so popular??? it is the most easily counterable strategy. First siege tanks will kill all hellions before they get in range... Good marine placement will stop hellion drop.. marines take care of the rest...
/sigh
ㅈㄴhf
Prev 1 46 47 48 49 50 56 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
09:00
Season 6 - Group A
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
Tasteless727
RotterdaM317
Ryung 294
IntoTheiNu 234
TKL 122
IndyStarCraft 120
Rex84
3DClanTV 80
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 727
PiGStarcraft455
RotterdaM 317
Ryung 294
TKL 122
IndyStarCraft 120
Rex 84
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 1059
Shuttle 622
Hyuk 387
Larva 255
Dewaltoss 121
sorry 105
ggaemo 61
ZerO 52
Sharp 50
IntoTheRainbow 12
[ Show more ]
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
soO 1
Dota 2
Gorgc2547
XaKoH 481
League of Legends
Doublelift1926
JimRising 662
Other Games
Pyrionflax157
RuFF_SC228
Mew2King25
ZerO(Twitch)7
BEARDiaguz6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick23299
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2129
League of Legends
• Jankos2663
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
20m
Afreeca Starleague
20m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
2h 20m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
6h 20m
Dragon vs Ret
Patches Events
6h 20m
RSL Revival
23h 20m
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
IPSL
1d 6h
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.