How do you deal with cloak banshee with this style? I mean, it's ridiculous to find room for detection in the middle of getting 2x Fact and 2x Starport, while making blue flame helion upgrade, helions, banshees, and its just too expensive to get a turret or raven up. Any suggestions?

Xenocidersc2

United States237 Posts

May 15 2011 14:05 GMT

#943

You're just gonna need good scouting, I usually scan around the 5 minute mark and see what they have in their base, If it looks like they have Cloaked banshees on the way then you're going to have to cut your hellions and save 1/2 scans.

jrdn

United States132 Posts

May 15 2011 14:57 GMT

#944

On May 15 2011 23:00 Bleak wrote:
How do you deal with cloak banshee with this style? I mean, it's ridiculous to find room for detection in the middle of getting 2x Fact and 2x Starport, while making blue flame helion upgrade, helions, banshees, and its just too expensive to get a turret or raven up. Any suggestions?

OP addresses this: open raven and viking after medivac.

Puffstuff

United States75 Posts

May 16 2011 13:00 GMT

#945

well...
I ran into the same situation as bleak
banshee appeared at 6:40 mark (no cloak) and took out all my scvs
though if the BO is executed properly (I messed up mine),
you should have your first SP up and running before 6:40 (probably making medivac)
so I guess instead of making a medivac,
open with a viking first, then medivac for drops,
then raven for detection if your opponent goes for cloak?

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

May 17 2011 05:46 GMT

#946

nvm

Drive_

Canada35 Posts

May 17 2011 08:06 GMT

#947

Hey guys thought I would share a few replays, I have the execution of this build down almost perfectly. Both games are 25 minutes +. I'd say my skill level is upper platinum.

First game is a standard game with a turtling opponent, I get some good hellion harass and eventually transition to battlecruisers to counter his thors.

Second game I stomp all over a mid-game Marine/Tank push and proceed to kill him. Key thing to note in this game is the excellent map and tower control. I saw his push coming a mile away and managed to snipe his marines early on.

http://www.mediafire.com/?51x1k17qsm4lqcx
The file is a RAR file, there is 2 replays.

Blasz

Australia7 Posts

May 26 2011 23:47 GMT

#948

How do you defend marine scv all in?

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

May 27 2011 00:09 GMT

#949

On May 27 2011 08:47 Blasz wrote:
How do you defend marine scv all in?

Depends on the timing. If you scout it then build more marines and a bunker. And wall.

If it's delayed and you can get hellions out you're generally safe.

TheLaddergoat

United Kingdom34 Posts

May 27 2011 18:23 GMT

#950

This build is countered by marauder/ghost
Marauders rip up helions and ghosts rip up banshees
Cloak isn't a proble because of EMP

HwangjaeTerran

Finland5967 Posts

May 27 2011 18:28 GMT

#951

On May 28 2011 03:23 TheLaddergoat wrote:
This build is countered by marauder/ghost
Marauders rip up helions and ghosts rip up banshees
Cloak isn't a proble because of EMP

Actually ghosts rip through both, as both hellions and banshees are light.
Haven't seen this build in a long time on EU server, not sure why although I never had that big problems with it.

NoisyNinja

United States991 Posts

May 28 2011 15:31 GMT

#952

I hate tanks. I love TvT. I've done this build twice on ladder and have completely dominated the poor bastards. Thank you iechoic

IzieBoy

United States865 Posts

May 28 2011 15:47 GMT

#953

lol dam those hellion drops make my fast thors homesick

Eps

Canada240 Posts

May 28 2011 22:31 GMT

#954

I've been running the build in TvT with good results. It really does punish the immobility of tank users, allowing you to cloak in and snipe and fly out. I've been able to break through some tank contains on banshee power alone.

It's also funny when you run into someone using the same strat.

GGTerran

4 Posts

May 28 2011 22:34 GMT

#955

i have a bad time when i see someone going iechoic vs my iechoic lol...
i usually do some crazy all in when i see it though

Cube

Canada777 Posts

May 30 2011 11:15 GMT

#956

thinking about this, does this build not straight up lose to two reapers?

bigwig123

163 Posts

May 30 2011 12:05 GMT

#957

Hey i have a question or two about transitioning out of this build. The other day i came across a Terran and we both did the build on zelnaga (dont have replay because it was at a lan and someone needed computer) we both got our naturals up but he realizing we both went this build he put tech labs on all his factory's and made thor's and seige tanks and marauders. I knew if i wanted to stick with the build i had to get bc's but i could not afford them that early in the game. I didn't know what to really do so i got cloak for my banshees but got fucking owned by a volley from 3 thor's with a scan. I found my self in a weird situation where my air was useless and hellion drops killed his economy but he just then a moved in and killed my base 1000x faster because hellions don't do much damage to buildings as we all know. Long story short how do you react to a terran doing the same thing as you and how do you counter thors early in the game when the opponent is familiar with the build.

DusTerr

2520 Posts

May 30 2011 12:32 GMT

#958

in a base trade scenario I make sure to snipe his CC (no more scans) and use cloak bamshees to stop his army. Also, thors are bad against lifted buildings - try to save your starports (and as many other buildings -your CC). Always try to make your opponent waste scans on single banshees before large engagements (this unit comp is very fragile)

OSM.OneManArmy

United States509 Posts

May 30 2011 21:20 GMT

#959

I'd like to add something really fast, in the event he goes for a Thor marine marauder viking mix, you may also want to throw a few barracks for marines to kill marauders.

A lot of the time the enemy will Stim forward with marauders and attempt to snipe of your CC and other important structures, and it also helps increase the lifespan of the hellions if you can kill the marauders with marines.

tastocis

Canada14 Posts

May 31 2011 02:09 GMT

#960

how does this build get so popular??? it is the most easily counterable strategy. First siege tanks will kill all hellions before they get in range... Good marine placement will stop hellion drop.. marines take care of the rest...
/sigh