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tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
April 01 2011 05:11 GMT
#1241
Why is "Fastest Map", a really popular map in Brood War, now basically never played in sc2? Are the new customs that much more fun?... I personally still really like fastest for sc2, but no1 ever joins it public anymore.
FYRE
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
New Zealand314 Posts
April 01 2011 06:10 GMT
#1242
i see many zerg pros put all their hatcheries on one hotkey, how do i make this work with making units at specific hatches and spawn larva?
closey
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong272 Posts
April 01 2011 06:57 GMT
#1243
On April 01 2011 15:10 FYRE wrote:
i see many zerg pros put all their hatcheries on one hotkey, how do i make this work with making units at specific hatches and spawn larva?


If you put all hatcheries in 1 hotkey, your best bet is to actually go to that hatchery and select all larva on screen...until you decide to actually hotkey that hatchery separately.

Sorry I can't be of much help.
Rock, Paper, Scissors
closey
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong272 Posts
April 01 2011 07:03 GMT
#1244
On April 01 2011 14:11 tuestresfat wrote:
Why is "Fastest Map", a really popular map in Brood War, now basically never played in sc2? Are the new customs that much more fun?... I personally still really like fastest for sc2, but no1 ever joins it public anymore.


A game without the zergs to bully is boring.

On this map the zergs will have around 10-20 queens if they want to keep up with the production rate of Terrans and Protoss, so it's unavoidable the zergs will avoid this map.
Rock, Paper, Scissors
Chinesewonder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
April 01 2011 07:05 GMT
#1245
On April 01 2011 14:11 tuestresfat wrote:
Why is "Fastest Map", a really popular map in Brood War, now basically never played in sc2? Are the new customs that much more fun?... I personally still really like fastest for sc2, but no1 ever joins it public anymore.

I think its because the whole game moves faster now anyway. In BW everything was so slow, you couldn't call down mules, inject, had only 1 gas per expansion, so everything moved slow. The appeal of fastest was not having to wait around on 1-2 gas, slow worker production, slow unit production. The pros you see in BW make it look easy to macro up so fast, but that is balls hard. SC2 kind of catered to this laziness with the ability to macro faster making the game alot more fun. so the appeal of fastest maps isnt so great anymore.
underdawg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States399 Posts
April 01 2011 08:59 GMT
#1246
i'm starting to use ghosts for the first time...am i supposed to move them to the back of my army after they use EMP? is the reason why people don't use tanks against protoss is that it feels like the tanks slow my army down after the EMP? (if it hits a lot of units, especially sentries, instinct is to stim and run in). or is there enough time to set up my tanks again?

i am using MMMVG + tank...not sure if it's optimal. sure can't upgrade mech along with infantry + air
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
April 01 2011 10:08 GMT
#1247
My Q:

Why do korean pro's usually upgrade first or even rush for +1 melee attack in ZvT? For banelings it does not make any difference and for lings I think carapace is better cause they survive marines longer and survive 2 tank shots. Upgrading +1 carapace makes banelings to survive much longer as well.
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FingerMouse
Profile Joined March 2011
3 Posts
April 01 2011 10:59 GMT
#1248
Hello

Hotkey question.

I am sure that a few months ago, I was able to build say 4 gates and hotkey them to say 5. I could then tab between the gates on that hotkey, and select units to produce. Now, it seems I can place 4 gates under a hotkey, but not cycle through them by pressing tab! Is it just me? Am I imagining I was ever able to do the former? Am I doing something wrong. Noobish question, but that's coz I am a noob.

Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Kyamo
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada129 Posts
April 01 2011 11:40 GMT
#1249
On April 01 2011 19:59 FingerMouse wrote:
Hello

Hotkey question.

I am sure that a few months ago, I was able to build say 4 gates and hotkey them to say 5. I could then tab between the gates on that hotkey, and select units to produce. Now, it seems I can place 4 gates under a hotkey, but not cycle through them by pressing tab! Is it just me? Am I imagining I was ever able to do the former? Am I doing something wrong. Noobish question, but that's coz I am a noob.

Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks.



I think tabbing works when you have different types of buildings (or units) on the same hotkey. So if you have a gateway and a robo on the same hotkey you should be able to tab between them, but if it is all gateways on the hotkey there is no need to tab since it will automatically distribute the units you build among them.
Kyamo
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada129 Posts
April 01 2011 11:42 GMT
#1250
On April 01 2011 12:15 falstag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 12:11 zergrushkekeke wrote:
If you build a hatchery and the drone is killed en route to the place you are building it do you loose the 300 minerals?

Someone was talking about setting banes to take out a CC as it building, but if you can just snipe the worker does it do the same damage? (assuming the other player just throws down the building order from when the workers in his base)

If the drone is killed, just like when any building currently researching or building units, is killed, then the resources are returned, all that is lost is time. Now if you kill the worker on a terran building,, the building stops but the building itself still exists and the terran must cancel it to get resources back or send another worker. Again, only time is lost.


Cancelling gives you back only 75% of the cost, so you do lose money in the 2nd scenario where the building has been started. But you are correct about the travelling worker being killed, in that case the building isn't started and all the money is returned.
MuffinCookie
Profile Joined February 2011
China64 Posts
April 01 2011 14:30 GMT
#1251
On April 01 2011 19:08 Alpina wrote:
My Q:

Why do korean pro's usually upgrade first or even rush for +1 melee attack in ZvT? For banelings it does not make any difference and for lings I think carapace is better cause they survive marines longer and survive 2 tank shots. Upgrading +1 carapace makes banelings to survive much longer as well.

Then it must be because pros want to get a quick +2 melee attack upgrade.

In which case a baneling would instantly kill any number of drones or probes within the attack splash area. But not SCV's (because they have 45 hp, instead of 40 hp or 20 shields 20 hp).
Zoom out, and then zoom back in.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 16:47:27
April 01 2011 16:46 GMT
#1252
On April 01 2011 23:30 MuffinCookie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 19:08 Alpina wrote:
My Q:

Why do korean pro's usually upgrade first or even rush for +1 melee attack in ZvT? For banelings it does not make any difference and for lings I think carapace is better cause they survive marines longer and survive 2 tank shots. Upgrading +1 carapace makes banelings to survive much longer as well.

Then it must be because pros want to get a quick +2 melee attack upgrade.

In which case a baneling would instantly kill any number of drones or probes within the attack splash area. But not SCV's (because they have 45 hp, instead of 40 hp or 20 shields 20 hp).


I am pretty sure they are not getting +2 for killing workers lol

If anyone knows I would like to know
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
April 01 2011 21:03 GMT
#1253
umm few questions :D
1. how much rax, factory, starport can you support on 2 bases in a tvt/tvz going for marine tank viking, medivac

i see some gsl games but i cant really tell without a replay. sry

nvm i just have one question
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Kontemptuous
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia132 Posts
April 01 2011 22:47 GMT
#1254
On April 01 2011 19:08 Alpina wrote:
My Q:

Why do korean pro's usually upgrade first or even rush for +1 melee attack in ZvT? For banelings it does not make any difference and for lings I think carapace is better cause they survive marines longer and survive 2 tank shots. Upgrading +1 carapace makes banelings to survive much longer as well.


I think it's because the fact of the matter is zerglings and banelings are more expendable (in ZvT), so they'd rather get +1 attack so they deal damage faster rather than having weak units that die a little less easier.

Of course +1 carapace is good so zerglings can't get 1-shot by tanks in siege mode, but against bio and in the early game, it's almost always better to have a lot of units that deal more damage faster than it is to have a lot of units that die a tiny bit slower, since bio attacks so fast anyway.
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CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
April 02 2011 04:06 GMT
#1255
Question: Does my 4v4 MMR affect my 1v1 MMR? Or, it there one MMR for all?

I have played only Terran to get up to gold league in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4. If I switch to Zerg ONLY in 4v4s, will this affect my 1v1 rankings, or 2v2 and 3v3 for that matter. I don't want to hurt my 1v1 rank for the sake of experimentation in 4v4s. Thanks, I hope this is simple enough
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JabbaDaButt
Profile Joined December 2010
United States77 Posts
April 02 2011 06:04 GMT
#1256
When a Zealot is charging, is it faster than a speedling on creep?
"Marines, the counter to Banelings." -IdrA
henreiman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States407 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 06:15:16
April 02 2011 06:14 GMT
#1257
On April 02 2011 15:04 JabbaDaButt wrote:
When a Zealot is charging, is it faster than a speedling on creep?


Don't think so, but not positive, sorry. But if you are essentially asking whether a charging zeal will hit a retreating speedling on creep, the answer is yes - the last patch made it so that when the charge animation occurs, zeals will always get at least one hit in.
crystyxn
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania254 Posts
April 02 2011 06:24 GMT
#1258
whats the ideal marine marauder medivac production on 2 bases? (how many rax and what addon)
"You should be the one putting pressure on your opponent, not the other way around." - Artosis
Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
April 02 2011 07:07 GMT
#1259
On April 02 2011 15:14 henreiman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 15:04 JabbaDaButt wrote:
When a Zealot is charging, is it faster than a speedling on creep?


Don't think so, but not positive, sorry. But if you are essentially asking whether a charging zeal will hit a retreating speedling on creep, the answer is yes - the last patch made it so that when the charge animation occurs, zeals will always get at least one hit in.


Zealot charging is 6 movement speed, speedling on creep is about 7, so a zealot will not "catch" a speedling that runs from it. The patch only makes it so that if a zealot does reach melee range it is able to make a swing, it still will not always hit marauders with slow (which reduces their movement speed to 3 while charging, while the stimmed marauders have about 3.2) or units that can outrun it.
I first realized Immortals were reincarnated Dragoons when I saw them dancing helplessly behind my Stalkers.
henreiman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States407 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 09:50:27
April 02 2011 09:48 GMT
#1260
On April 02 2011 15:24 crystyxn wrote:
whats the ideal marine marauder medivac production on 2 bases? (how many rax and what addon)


Depends on your saturation. But by about two full base saturation, I tend to have 5 rax, 4 tech lab 1 reactor, and a reactored starport. This also funds a few ghosts, double ebay upgrades, and SCV production (which I'll continue until ~70 SCVs).

If I start to float money, I'll add on another reactored rax and then one more tech lab rax. However, I prefer to expo first.

Edit: that's my TvP style, heavier on the marauders unless I see them going for stargate, in which case I might do 2 reactor and 3 tech lab OR double reactored starport. If you're talking TvZ MMM, can't help you much (sorry).
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