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TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
December 28 2011 13:38 GMT
#10161
How is it cheese when I'm just playing the game instead of sitting in my base playing Civilisation? And as for Larvae, I get a macro hatch.

I just want to be the one who attacks first, do some damage and hopefully contain my opponent and expand as I do it.
Tobias
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden187 Posts
December 28 2011 13:56 GMT
#10162
On December 28 2011 22:38 Sacred Reich wrote:
How is it cheese when I'm just playing the game instead of sitting in my base playing Civilisation? And as for Larvae, I get a macro hatch.

I just want to be the one who attacks first, do some damage and hopefully contain my opponent and expand as I do it.


Well ok, let's call it an all-in instead. If you produce units instead of drones in the early game you'll be too far behind in econ to recover if your initial attack doesn't kill or seriously cripple your opponent. Hence all-in.

I don't really see how you can contain anyone early-game as zerg, especially not without falling behind in econ which means you're losing by stopping your opponents expo.
Tobias
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden187 Posts
December 28 2011 14:07 GMT
#10163
In PvT, is the "safe" gate-robo-gate-nexus safe against 1-1-1s? Just asking since another thread popped up about 1-1-1 right now.
NewbieOne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 14:34:06
December 28 2011 14:32 GMT
#10164
1. Off the top of your head and without detailed specifics, in TvT, a build that should work in gold-plat league and does not involve a siege push (but should work against a siege push too)?
2. Suppose you fool around with banshees or drops or something (i.e. something other than a tank push). TvT opponent is somebody aggressive, who just forcefully pushes marine-tank-medivac-viking along with constructing turrets right in your face, including in your nat in early game (and even ravaging his base doesn't give you any real gain). Is it time to QQ or can you improvise a defence and still win in the long run after cleaning that push? Or do you, in the case of banshees, wait for his push and intercept it before he can erect turrets with the SCVs he brought along with him?

Also: big thanks for answers to my previous questions. Thank you guys, hope you get to grandmasters.
Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
December 28 2011 14:46 GMT
#10165
Does day9 play starcraft 2?

I heard some stories how he is a random player, grandmaster, but i don't know what is the truth... If he plays, how come he doesn't stream it, because of so many fans that would like to watch him play? I was thinking about it a little, and can't figure out on my own why is he hiding while playing? Does he think if someone sees him loose a game everyone will start think that he's full of shit as a caster or what? Really strange that person who would get like 15 k viewers and dedicated his life to sc2 doesn't stream his games.
Reality hits you hard bro.
Tobias
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden187 Posts
December 28 2011 15:29 GMT
#10166
On December 28 2011 23:46 Mesha wrote:
Does day9 play starcraft 2?

I heard some stories how he is a random player, grandmaster, but i don't know what is the truth... If he plays, how come he doesn't stream it, because of so many fans that would like to watch him play? I was thinking about it a little, and can't figure out on my own why is he hiding while playing? Does he think if someone sees him loose a game everyone will start think that he's full of shit as a caster or what? Really strange that person who would get like 15 k viewers and dedicated his life to sc2 doesn't stream his games.


All covered here: http://t.co/BFxriCfS
Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
December 28 2011 15:45 GMT
#10167
On December 29 2011 00:29 Tobias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:46 Mesha wrote:
Does day9 play starcraft 2?

I heard some stories how he is a random player, grandmaster, but i don't know what is the truth... If he plays, how come he doesn't stream it, because of so many fans that would like to watch him play? I was thinking about it a little, and can't figure out on my own why is he hiding while playing? Does he think if someone sees him loose a game everyone will start think that he's full of shit as a caster or what? Really strange that person who would get like 15 k viewers and dedicated his life to sc2 doesn't stream his games.


All covered here: http://t.co/BFxriCfS

Thanks! Yep, just as i thought, he wants to be perfect before he can show his fans some games, ccc...
Reality hits you hard bro.
ChinaLifeXXL
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
December 28 2011 15:52 GMT
#10168
It's well known that 9 overlord is more efficient than going up to 10 then building overlord but what's the numbers on 10, overlord, then extractor trick. Seen a few guys do it and wanna know if it's any better at all or if it just breaks even.
If you can do it; you should do it every time.
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
December 28 2011 17:11 GMT
#10169
On December 29 2011 00:52 ChinaLifeXXL wrote:
It's well known that 9 overlord is more efficient than going up to 10 then building overlord but what's the numbers on 10, overlord, then extractor trick. Seen a few guys do it and wanna know if it's any better at all or if it just breaks even.

I don't know where exactly the proof is, but the general consensus is that a 9 overlord is better than 10 overlord with extractor trick, but the 10 overlord with extractor trick is safer against cheeses.
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
December 28 2011 17:42 GMT
#10170
Replay of 1 base is here:

http://footmenfrenzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=47

I don't know how to attach files on this site. Yes my opponent was doing some stupid, but I wasn't that far behind in economy right?
NightHawk929
Profile Joined December 2010
79 Posts
December 28 2011 17:46 GMT
#10171
On December 28 2011 23:46 Mesha wrote:
Does day9 play starcraft 2?

I heard some stories how he is a random player, grandmaster, but i don't know what is the truth... If he plays, how come he doesn't stream it, because of so many fans that would like to watch him play? I was thinking about it a little, and can't figure out on my own why is he hiding while playing? Does he think if someone sees him loose a game everyone will start think that he's full of shit as a caster or what? Really strange that person who would get like 15 k viewers and dedicated his life to sc2 doesn't stream his games.



Day[9] has said that he's in grandmaster league as terran, zerg and protoss.
Tobias
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden187 Posts
December 28 2011 17:50 GMT
#10172
On December 29 2011 02:46 NightHawk929 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:46 Mesha wrote:
Does day9 play starcraft 2?

I heard some stories how he is a random player, grandmaster, but i don't know what is the truth... If he plays, how come he doesn't stream it, because of so many fans that would like to watch him play? I was thinking about it a little, and can't figure out on my own why is he hiding while playing? Does he think if someone sees him loose a game everyone will start think that he's full of shit as a caster or what? Really strange that person who would get like 15 k viewers and dedicated his life to sc2 doesn't stream his games.



Day[9] has said that he's in grandmaster league as terran, zerg and protoss.


He's saying he's been grand master with all three races, but not at the same time on different accounts.
Tobias
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden187 Posts
December 28 2011 17:56 GMT
#10173
On December 29 2011 02:42 Sacred Reich wrote:
Replay of 1 base is here:

http://footmenfrenzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=47

I don't know how to attach files on this site. Yes my opponent was doing some stupid, but I wasn't that far behind in economy right?


I don't know, I was too fascinated by watching the protoss player not do a single thing right. If he'd done anything at all like he was supposed to have done you would have been dead quite soon...

He got one gate that wasn't doing anything, then a forge and a cannon without expanding, followed by two stargates that didn't finish, and no warpgate research. This must be his first game ever. There is absolutely no way you can do what you did and stay alive against anyone who knows how to play even a little bit, sorry
jjd323
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom17 Posts
December 28 2011 18:22 GMT
#10174
How can I search just this thread to see if questions have been asked before?
jjd323
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 18:29:07
December 28 2011 18:26 GMT
#10175
Is there an easy way to answer this type of question:


1) How many drones do I need to support a roach-ling allin without ever wasting a larva? (i.e. larva limited, resources may build up slightly)

With:
a) 1 hatch, 1 queen, 1 gas
b) 2 hatch, 1 queen, 1 gas
c) 2 hatch, 1 queen, 2 gas
d) 2 hatch, 2 queen, 2 gas
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
December 28 2011 21:42 GMT
#10176
On December 29 2011 02:56 Tobias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 02:42 Sacred Reich wrote:
Replay of 1 base is here:

http://footmenfrenzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=47

I don't know how to attach files on this site. Yes my opponent was doing some stupid, but I wasn't that far behind in economy right?


I don't know, I was too fascinated by watching the protoss player not do a single thing right. If he'd done anything at all like he was supposed to have done you would have been dead quite soon...

He got one gate that wasn't doing anything, then a forge and a cannon without expanding, followed by two stargates that didn't finish, and no warpgate research. This must be his first game ever. There is absolutely no way you can do what you did and stay alive against anyone who knows how to play even a little bit, sorry


Well tbh that's only my 3rd ever solo game, I just got this game pretty much. I can keep working at the timings. In that replay, I had too much larvae. If I expend some larvae into drones per every batch of roaches, its still economical and I can transition into standard play after my aggression.

If my opponent instead retaliates, which I hope he will I want a GG not some boring long game, then I still have larvae and minerals to pump roach/ling.
DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
December 29 2011 01:41 GMT
#10177
Does anyone know of a GM/Masters Terran player who frequently releases replay packs to study?
"1 base. Cheese man." - MKP. "[MVP] is not stylistic, his style is winning, which is the style you want to have." - Artosis
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
December 29 2011 01:53 GMT
#10178
On December 29 2011 03:26 jjd323 wrote:
Is there an easy way to answer this type of question:

Show nested quote +

1) How many drones do I need to support a roach-ling allin without ever wasting a larva? (i.e. larva limited, resources may build up slightly)

With:
a) 1 hatch, 1 queen, 1 gas
b) 2 hatch, 1 queen, 1 gas
c) 2 hatch, 1 queen, 2 gas
d) 2 hatch, 2 queen, 2 gas


Good first approximation. Real test is to run trials in-game:

http://sc2calc.org/unit_production/zerg.php
Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
December 29 2011 02:27 GMT
#10179
On December 28 2011 02:05 Squigly wrote:
When you have all your OCs and PFs on 1 hotkey and build workers, the OCs will fill up the queue before the PF even builds 1. Ive always assumed this was a bug but have recently been told its how its supposed to be (really blizzard? really?)

Is there a workaround to this?


Any answers?
Ravomat
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany422 Posts
December 29 2011 02:36 GMT
#10180
On December 29 2011 11:27 Squigly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 02:05 Squigly wrote:
When you have all your OCs and PFs on 1 hotkey and build workers, the OCs will fill up the queue before the PF even builds 1. Ive always assumed this was a bug but have recently been told its how its supposed to be (really blizzard? really?)

Is there a workaround to this?


Any answers?


Either have the PF on a separate hotkey or just click on its icon.
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