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On October 09 2011 14:05 Klyberess wrote:
At what time do I know or should suspect the protoss is going to 1base, if he hasn't put his nexus down? (tvp)
It depends on what else the protoss has and what build the protoss is doing. If he's doing 3 gate expo or 2 gate robo it's perfectly fine not to have a nexus down yet at 6:00, whereas if he was 4 gating you he'd be at your door by 6:00. Unfortunately this all comes down to "game sense" and just takes a lot of experience.
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On October 09 2011 14:17 Anihc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 14:05 Klyberess wrote:
At what time do I know or should suspect the protoss is going to 1base, if he hasn't put his nexus down? (tvp) It depends on what else the protoss has and what build the protoss is doing. If he's doing 3 gate expo or 2 gate robo it's perfectly fine not to have a nexus down yet at 6:00, whereas if he was 4 gating you he'd be at your door by 6:00. Unfortunately this all comes down to "game sense" and just takes a lot of experience.
On October 09 2011 14:16 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 14:05 Klyberess wrote:
At what time do I know or should suspect the protoss is going to 1base, if he hasn't put his nexus down? (tvp) I'd say 7 minutes?
Cheers, I usually pull a few scvs to my bunker blindly around warpgate timing if I scout plenty of chronoboost saved up/used on core.
What about void ray all-ins, immortal all-ins, and 1base colo (lol). would you say a scan at 6:30 or so would be able to tell me whether to move down OC or put an extra bunker? (Using 1rax reactor fe)
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Did Blizzard release when they're going to lock the ladder for this season yet? I remember reading a while ago that it was going to be soon, but haven't seen anything on it since.
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On October 09 2011 15:51 svefnleysi wrote:
Did Blizzard release when they're going to lock the ladder for this season yet? I remember reading a while ago that it was going to be soon, but haven't seen anything on it since.
The Season 3 lock will go into effect the week of October 10. Season 3 will officially end and Season 4 will begin during the week of October 24. <---- Taken from the Blizzard SC2 Website.
Also, quick question:
I've been having a lot of problems in fighting in TvP. I have a big Bio Ball of: Marauders, Marines. I also have some ghosts (maybe 5) as well as Medievacs and Vikings for colossi. However, When the Protoss goes zealots (quite a lot of zealots), stalkers, and colossus, I do not know how to fight. I EMP, try to snipe out the colossi and everything, but I can never win. How am I supposed to fight the Protoss in this situation?
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On October 09 2011 16:28 gorgoino18 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 15:51 svefnleysi wrote:
Did Blizzard release when they're going to lock the ladder for this season yet? I remember reading a while ago that it was going to be soon, but haven't seen anything on it since. The Season 3 lock will go into effect the week of October 10. Season 3 will officially end and Season 4 will begin during the week of October 24. <---- Taken from the Blizzard SC2 Website. Also, quick question: I've been having a lot of problems in fighting in TvP. I have a big Bio Ball of: Marauders, Marines. I also have some ghosts (maybe 5) as well as Medievacs and Vikings for colossi. However, When the Protoss goes zealots (quite a lot of zealots), stalkers, and colossus, I do not know how to fight. I EMP, try to snipe out the colossi and everything, but I can never win. How am I supposed to fight the Protoss in this situation?
you probably want to kite zealots with MM while vikings stay and focus colossi. but really with MMMVG and equal army supply you shouldn't lose to z/s/colossus unless he is far ahead in upgrades.
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It might just be me being retarded, but I can't figure out which Protoss opening described by Liquipedia goes into Void Ray harassment.
Help?
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On October 10 2011 00:22 manykips wrote:
It might just be me being retarded, but I can't figure out which Protoss opening described by Liquipedia goes into Void Ray harassment.
Help?
Which match up?
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On October 10 2011 00:48 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 00:22 manykips wrote:
It might just be me being retarded, but I can't figure out which Protoss opening described by Liquipedia goes into Void Ray harassment.
Help? Which match up?
PvT and PvZ if applicable.
(PvP? I wonder...)
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On October 09 2011 16:28 gorgoino18 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 15:51 svefnleysi wrote:
Did Blizzard release when they're going to lock the ladder for this season yet? I remember reading a while ago that it was going to be soon, but haven't seen anything on it since. The Season 3 lock will go into effect the week of October 10. Season 3 will officially end and Season 4 will begin during the week of October 24. <---- Taken from the Blizzard SC2 Website. Also, quick question: I've been having a lot of problems in fighting in TvP. I have a big Bio Ball of: Marauders, Marines. I also have some ghosts (maybe 5) as well as Medievacs and Vikings for colossi. However, When the Protoss goes zealots (quite a lot of zealots), stalkers, and colossus, I do not know how to fight. I EMP, try to snipe out the colossi and everything, but I can never win. How am I supposed to fight the Protoss in this situation?
If the Colossi were firing the entire time you were sniping them, chances are they'll have done enough damage by the time they're all dead. Pull your bioball back and kite the Zlots while kite your Vikings back slightly less (preferably in another direction with some terrain to block ground) and shoot the Colossi.
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1) Is there a known teamliquid thread to report bugs and look up if the reported bug is already known?
2) Is there an "optimal" rush build order for dt rush/ dt warpprism rush in teamgames?
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Ive tried to look for the 'latest' or to be more precise the most up to date 4 gate rush in the current patch/meta game
1. please share BO / replay
2. None of the videos explain - a) Do you cut probes , if so at what nos? and b) What is the mix of units - multiple videos show only zeal stalker some show zeal sentry..
TLDR - 4 gate - detailed BO/replay for current game please 
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On October 10 2011 03:37 Simonius wrote:
1) Is there a known teamliquid thread to report bugs and look up if the reported bug is already known?
2) Is there an "optimal" rush build order for dt rush/ dt warpprism rush in teamgames?
For 2):
12 Gate
13 Gas
15 Pylon
@100% Gate: Cyber Core
@75 Minerals: 2nd Gas
@100% Cyber Core: Twilight, Warp Tech
@100% Twilight: Dark Shrine
2x Gates whenever
Is about as fast as you can go and not cut Probes or completely cripple yourself. You should have just enough gas to accomplish each step, and be able to warp 3 DTs. If the gas isn't lining up well for you, you can opt for Gas then Gate.
You'll need help defending yourself earlier on, though.
Warp Prism slows the DTs by 100 gas, it's better to just proxy Pylon with a team-mate spotting high ground with Overlord/Scan. Better yet, just walk them in, as there'll be at least one person who doesn't prepare for DTs blindly.
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What do you think about a Stim+SiegeTank Timing with +1 Attack for Mech instead for Bio in TvZ?
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On October 10 2011 04:31 saaaa wrote:
What do you think about a Stim+SiegeTank Timing with +1 Attack for Mech instead for Bio in TvZ?
Worse than +1 Bio- you'll have way more Marines than Tanks at that time. Tanks are mainly for shooting Banelings, which will die in 1 hit regardless of upgrades.
Question: I notice Empire.kas use almost exclusively Marauders lategame in TvP and forgoing Marines entirely. Is it because of the increased durability to AOE? And is it worth the trade in DPS (I'm thinking of mass Chargelot being the main problem)? Or is it for some other reason entirely.
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On October 09 2011 16:28 gorgoino18 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 15:51 svefnleysi wrote:
Did Blizzard release when they're going to lock the ladder for this season yet? I remember reading a while ago that it was going to be soon, but haven't seen anything on it since. The Season 3 lock will go into effect the week of October 10. Season 3 will officially end and Season 4 will begin during the week of October 24. <---- Taken from the Blizzard SC2 Website. Also, quick question: I've been having a lot of problems in fighting in TvP. I have a big Bio Ball of: Marauders, Marines. I also have some ghosts (maybe 5) as well as Medievacs and Vikings for colossi. However, When the Protoss goes zealots (quite a lot of zealots), stalkers, and colossus, I do not know how to fight. I EMP, try to snipe out the colossi and everything, but I can never win. How am I supposed to fight the Protoss in this situation?
Regarding MM ratio, go very very marauder heavy, even 100% marauders is fine. That way you can kite all their zealots; their colossi and HT won't be able to catch up, so it'll be marauders vs Zealots.
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On October 10 2011 05:56 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 16:28 gorgoino18 wrote:On October 09 2011 15:51 svefnleysi wrote:
Did Blizzard release when they're going to lock the ladder for this season yet? I remember reading a while ago that it was going to be soon, but haven't seen anything on it since. The Season 3 lock will go into effect the week of October 10. Season 3 will officially end and Season 4 will begin during the week of October 24. <---- Taken from the Blizzard SC2 Website. Also, quick question: I've been having a lot of problems in fighting in TvP. I have a big Bio Ball of: Marauders, Marines. I also have some ghosts (maybe 5) as well as Medievacs and Vikings for colossi. However, When the Protoss goes zealots (quite a lot of zealots), stalkers, and colossus, I do not know how to fight. I EMP, try to snipe out the colossi and everything, but I can never win. How am I supposed to fight the Protoss in this situation? Regarding MM ratio, go very very marauder heavy, even 100% marauders is fine. That way you can kite all their zealots; their colossi and HT won't be able to catch up, so it'll be marauders vs Zealots.
Untill protoss gets speed. Mass speedlots will always beat mass marauders.
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On October 10 2011 06:42 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 05:56 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 09 2011 16:28 gorgoino18 wrote:On October 09 2011 15:51 svefnleysi wrote:
Did Blizzard release when they're going to lock the ladder for this season yet? I remember reading a while ago that it was going to be soon, but haven't seen anything on it since. The Season 3 lock will go into effect the week of October 10. Season 3 will officially end and Season 4 will begin during the week of October 24. <---- Taken from the Blizzard SC2 Website. Also, quick question: I've been having a lot of problems in fighting in TvP. I have a big Bio Ball of: Marauders, Marines. I also have some ghosts (maybe 5) as well as Medievacs and Vikings for colossi. However, When the Protoss goes zealots (quite a lot of zealots), stalkers, and colossus, I do not know how to fight. I EMP, try to snipe out the colossi and everything, but I can never win. How am I supposed to fight the Protoss in this situation? Regarding MM ratio, go very very marauder heavy, even 100% marauders is fine. That way you can kite all their zealots; their colossi and HT won't be able to catch up, so it'll be marauders vs Zealots. Untill protoss gets speed. Mass speedlots will always beat mass marauders.
Even then, marauders do well. And if protoss wants to go after them then he needs to commit each time he turns his zealots away, so it's a bit riskier on the protoss side.
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Quick question: what is the proper response to a roach(ling) push after i have FFEd?
I always seem to do something wrong :3
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On October 09 2011 14:17 Anihc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 14:05 Klyberess wrote:
At what time do I know or should suspect the protoss is going to 1base, if he hasn't put his nexus down? (tvp) It depends on what else the protoss has and what build the protoss is doing. If he's doing 3 gate expo or 2 gate robo it's perfectly fine not to have a nexus down yet at 6:00, whereas if he was 4 gating you he'd be at your door by 6:00. Unfortunately this all comes down to "game sense" and just takes a lot of experience.
then he "hides" the unit composition, and by the time you realize 6 minute's are past and he is not expo-ing, there are 2 dts on your expo.
This is why opening with agressive build are OP. Yes, OPer than "defensive" or macro oriented.
2 rax -> you end up with a free 2 rax and an expansion + you can do damage
roach warren at 20/28 or 28/28 -> you end up with a free roach tech, plus you can do damage. If he FFEs you can do damage. If he stays on one base (aka contain) you'll have better econ (if you dont overcomit and make 12 lings). The 7 roaches can defend stupid DT or 4gates he could be doing. And you force him to show the unit composition.
However If you opened standard, protoss can be safe to do cheesy things, like dt expand or a 4gate. And you'll have to GUESS what protoss is doing. Or sacrifice a overlord at 4 minutes to see the unit composition or tech. If the map is big you can see none.
Why pros don't hide their unit comp? I fucking love when I see 4 sentries stacked at toss's ramp.
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On October 10 2011 07:45 julius33 wrote:
Quick question: what is the proper response to a roach(ling) push after i have FFEd?
I always seem to do something wrong :3
Depends on what you teched to. If it's a very fast roachling push, you'll need to scout it, add cannons and delay with FFs. If you teched stargate, get a voidray out ASAP to handle the roaches.
If you added more gates or a robo after your FFE, add some cannons, get your units out (get immortals and focus on stalkers and sentries), and micro well.
In any case, you'll need good FFs and good sim city to keep roaches from breaking your wall or reaching your cannons. Use FFs to plug holes in your wall if your buildings fall
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