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RM_12
Profile Joined March 2011
201 Posts
May 26 2011 13:39 GMT
#3301
Is it possible with 2gate+robo opener, to defend 7 roaches at 5:45, with 12 lings few seconds behind them?

Scouted 1 base roach all-in about 30 sec before it came knocking to my wall, but i have literaly no idea how on earth i can stop this.
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
May 26 2011 13:45 GMT
#3302
On May 26 2011 22:39 RM_12 wrote:
Is it possible with 2gate+robo opener, to defend 7 roaches at 5:45, with 12 lings few seconds behind them?

Scouted 1 base roach all-in about 30 sec before it came knocking to my wall, but i have literaly no idea how on earth i can stop this.


You shouldn't have expanded by then so you only need to hold your ramp. Chrono out an immortal , and FF your ramp cutting little portions of army. Warp in stalkers and kill the roaches as they move up your ramp. Don't hesitate to fully wall off your ramp if you are overwhelmed.

But you shouldn't really be using a 2 gate robo opener vs zerg... Go for a safe 3 gate sentry expand and it will be even easier to hold.
geiko.813 (EU)
RM_12
Profile Joined March 2011
201 Posts
May 26 2011 14:03 GMT
#3303
thanks, i'm going to practice 3 gate vs Z then, because i did everything else you suggested and because of close positions there was no way to get my units fast enaugh without cutting probes alot.
TranceF0rm
Profile Joined March 2011
United States25 Posts
May 26 2011 14:11 GMT
#3304
is it possible to be promoted twice in 1 day? like from silver to gold to plat, and is it possible to go straight from gold to diamond or do u have to go thru plat first?
Oh great.. A Thor..
pig-dude
Profile Joined March 2011
United States170 Posts
May 26 2011 14:24 GMT
#3305
On May 26 2011 23:11 TranceF0rm wrote:
is it possible to be promoted twice in 1 day? like from silver to gold to plat, and is it possible to go straight from gold to diamond or do u have to go thru plat first?

Yes, and while I still hear about bnet promoting people multiple leagues at once (silver -> plat, etc) I think they've made it more likely to take you one league at a time. I played nothing but high gold and low plat over my past 60 or so games, and when the ladder unlocked, my first game took me to silver, and the second to gold.
pig-dude
Profile Joined March 2011
United States170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 14:26:29
May 26 2011 14:24 GMT
#3306
I am re-posting because my strat post was closed, and I was advised to post my question in this thread:

I have only seriously played as zerg, and I'm finding that I am as useful as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest when playing as protoss. I have read most of what is in the liquipedia on protoss strategy, and searched this forum for specific topics (how to deal with specific things my opponent might do), but I'm afraid I have not a single clue about how protoss is actually supposed to play the game.

As zerg, I mostly base my play off of what my opponent does, and it works pretty well, because of how easily zerg can react. I also expand almost at will, as soon as I feel a little bit "safe." I find that as protoss, I can't just will an army into existence like with zerg, and my expansion is almost always destroyed.

Are there any guides out there on general protoss play, and the things a protoss should be doing? Am I supposed to semi-blindly mass an army in the early stages of the game, and hope for the best? I simply feel helplessly inflexible when I am anything but zerg.
pig-dude
Profile Joined March 2011
United States170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 14:32:28
May 26 2011 14:29 GMT
#3307
On May 26 2011 22:39 RM_12 wrote:
Is it possible with 2gate+robo opener, to defend 7 roaches at 5:45, with 12 lings few seconds behind them?

Scouted 1 base roach all-in about 30 sec before it came knocking to my wall, but i have literaly no idea how on earth i can stop this.

Have a good wall, which he'll try to break with his roaches. If he sends an OL, kill it before it can spot. FF the ramp and go to work on them with your stalkers and immortal(s). The lings won't get through if he doesn't break your wall. The most important part, to me, is taking out the OL as it works its way down to you.

Edit: I mean that you should FF as the roaches make their way up the ramp, splitting his forces.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 26 2011 14:41 GMT
#3308
I have a friend who pretty much always goes 2rax expand. In PvT, is there a specific strategy that counters a 2rax expand pretty well? It seems like a 2rax expand is a very standard safe type of play, so I doubt there's a really clear counter to it, but I'm just curious.
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
May 26 2011 14:49 GMT
#3309
On May 26 2011 23:41 HolyArrow wrote:
I have a friend who pretty much always goes 2rax expand. In PvT, is there a specific strategy that counters a 2rax expand pretty well? It seems like a 2rax expand is a very standard safe type of play, so I doubt there's a really clear counter to it, but I'm just curious.


What kind of 2 rax expand specifically? Is it Reactor+Tech Lab? Concussive shells? Naked Rax?

As far as any Marauder heavy opener goes, proxy stargate -> 2 Void Rays + Zealots will destroy him. Use the Zealots to kill marines and the Void Rays will win the game for you right there.
Sky Terran TvP V2.0: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355839
Sir Snoopy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States57 Posts
May 26 2011 14:57 GMT
#3310
There are so many YABOTs to use- which version has the most build choices/highest quality?
That's SIR Sir Snoopy to you!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 26 2011 14:58 GMT
#3311
On May 26 2011 23:49 Synystyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 23:41 HolyArrow wrote:
I have a friend who pretty much always goes 2rax expand. In PvT, is there a specific strategy that counters a 2rax expand pretty well? It seems like a 2rax expand is a very standard safe type of play, so I doubt there's a really clear counter to it, but I'm just curious.


What kind of 2 rax expand specifically? Is it Reactor+Tech Lab? Concussive shells? Naked Rax?

As far as any Marauder heavy opener goes, proxy stargate -> 2 Void Rays + Zealots will destroy him. Use the Zealots to kill marines and the Void Rays will win the game for you right there.


Ah, sorry. Let me check on that. I had a feeling I should have been more specific.

Okay, so it's Tech Lab first getting Conc shells ASAP (and stim right when that's done), with a second rax with a reactor. So he has a pretty even balance of marines and marauders. Specific order is rax, tech lab, conc shells, second rax, reactor. Just seems like a very well safe opening, so I was wondering if there was some sort of opening I could do to at least take advantage of his predictability.
meiloAUT
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 15:42:35
May 26 2011 15:12 GMT
#3312
On May 26 2011 23:57 Sir Snoopy wrote:
There are so many YABOTs to use- which version has the most build choices/highest quality?


You can check the changelog here http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/yabot/#w-changelog to finde the latest version (at the moment 1.4.1). Also you can download Yabot there.
meiloAUT
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
May 26 2011 15:30 GMT
#3313
On May 26 2011 23:58 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 23:49 Synystyr wrote:
On May 26 2011 23:41 HolyArrow wrote:
I have a friend who pretty much always goes 2rax expand. In PvT, is there a specific strategy that counters a 2rax expand pretty well? It seems like a 2rax expand is a very standard safe type of play, so I doubt there's a really clear counter to it, but I'm just curious.


What kind of 2 rax expand specifically? Is it Reactor+Tech Lab? Concussive shells? Naked Rax?

As far as any Marauder heavy opener goes, proxy stargate -> 2 Void Rays + Zealots will destroy him. Use the Zealots to kill marines and the Void Rays will win the game for you right there.


Ah, sorry. Let me check on that. I had a feeling I should have been more specific.

Okay, so it's Tech Lab first getting Conc shells ASAP (and stim right when that's done), with a second rax with a reactor. So he has a pretty even balance of marines and marauders. Specific order is rax, tech lab, conc shells, second rax, reactor. Just seems like a very well safe opening, so I was wondering if there was some sort of opening I could do to at least take advantage of his predictability.


Looks like http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/1_Rax_Marauder_(vs._Protoss) to me, with the difference that he buts down a reactor instead of a third rax. I would recomment going http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/3_Gateway_Expansion since this is a very stable build, that can deal with terran aggression pretty well and will most likely get you a faster expo than his. Also you can delay your robo, since you know that no banshees are comming.

Alternatively you could try to get a timing attack on him, since you know what units and upgrades he has at any given point.
azn_dude1
Profile Joined October 2010
162 Posts
May 26 2011 15:46 GMT
#3314
How do you use /r to quick reply to a chat?
meiloAUT
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
May 26 2011 15:49 GMT
#3315
On May 27 2011 00:46 azn_dude1 wrote:
How do you use /r to quick reply to a chat?


type "/r" and then space in the chat and the last person that PMed you will get the message.
TDC
Profile Joined May 2010
United States197 Posts
May 26 2011 19:22 GMT
#3316
Hi, I'm a ~900 master league protoss (since the points are time invariant, if you're looking this post weeks later, it's around 15ranked master player in most leagues). I was wondering where I can get good replay packs. I'm not looking for some epic games which is fun to watch, but not educational. I'm wondering where you guys find replay packs from Grand Master players that plays mostly standard builds with winning and losing games that'll help me better understand the protoss timing.
Top 25 master league Toss http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1253149/TDC
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 26 2011 19:26 GMT
#3317
On May 27 2011 04:22 TDC wrote:
Hi, I'm a ~900 master league protoss (since the points are time invariant, if you're looking this post weeks later, it's around 15ranked master player in most leagues). I was wondering where I can get good replay packs. I'm not looking for some epic games which is fun to watch, but not educational. I'm wondering where you guys find replay packs from Grand Master players that plays mostly standard builds with winning and losing games that'll help me better understand the protoss timing.


Check out white-ra.com and the replays teamliquid releases, i think that's a good place to start.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
zboss
Profile Joined May 2011
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 20:09:05
May 26 2011 20:08 GMT
#3318
How many active players are there? Or how many players are in masters?

Also does SC2 rankings include everyone? Or just the people that manually add themselves?
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
May 26 2011 20:50 GMT
#3319
On May 27 2011 05:08 zboss wrote:
How many active players are there? Or how many players are in masters?

Also does SC2 rankings include everyone? Or just the people that manually add themselves?


You can check all of that in SC2 ranks by sorting through "activity" and "league"

http://www.sc2ranks.com


sc2ranks has everyone (not just people who add themselves)
geiko.813 (EU)
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
May 26 2011 21:52 GMT
#3320
On May 26 2011 22:39 RM_12 wrote:
Is it possible with 2gate+robo opener, to defend 7 roaches at 5:45, with 12 lings few seconds behind them?

Scouted 1 base roach all-in about 30 sec before it came knocking to my wall, but i have literaly no idea how on earth i can stop this.

It's actually pretty easy: Complete your wall-off with a pylon, that will let your units get free shots while the roaches can't hit them (and are presumably hitting your wall and give you time to get out a couple more units you need to crush the attack.
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
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