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smwatkin
Canada399 Posts
1. Pound out hydras faster? 2. Go corruptor faster? 3. Is this just a problem where I'm leaving my OL's too scattered and forgetting about them? 4. I think I blindly went roaches in this game for too long Either way, can anybody provide some insight? Thanks Gents, -NuVo ZvP NuVo vs chy | ||
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ryc
Canada29 Posts
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snazbaz
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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orotoss
United States298 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On November 30 2010 08:25 smwatkin wrote: Am I the only one who cringes when I get this matchup? It seems at the level I'm at (1600 diamond NA) all the protoss like to go 6 phoenix into double robo bay and pound out immortal, stalker, colossus and a couple of zlots. I've watched this replay a few times and I can't put my finger on where I'm going wrong, but this destroys me every time. Here's what I'm thinking 1. Pound out hydras faster? 2. Go corruptor faster? 3. Is this just a problem where I'm leaving my OL's too scattered and forgetting about them? 4. I think I blindly went roaches in this game for too long Either way, can anybody provide some insight? Thanks Gents, -NuVo ZvP NuVo vs chy As a Protoss who uses 4 to 7 Phoenix openers a lot, there are three things that I fear the most - Queens, Creep spread and my own concentration / multitasking not being up to the task. You had a healthy amount of Queens, your positioning of Queens and Overlords and anticipation of Phoenix movement wasn't always the best but it was fine. But mostly everything else you did wasn't really necessary - 2 Spine Crawlers were definitely unnecessary with the kind of opener he went for, and even the Roach count was a bit high imo. And while 2 Spore Crawlers were reasonable on Scrap, 4 really weren't. Also Creep spread needs to skyrocket in these ZvP scenarios. You already have a lot of Queens which automatically gives you faster creep spreading - Creep gives you intel on Phoenix movement, option of using the extra Queens offensively, and makes your Hydras actually useful and worth their cost if you decide to go for them. Finally, the general problem was that 6 Phoenix kept you on 2 bases with all the extra defenses you made. You were actually behind on worker count / economy for most of the game, even significantly so when you chose to attack, and you pushed far too late to exploit the weaknesses of his build. Tl;dr, there are two things you can do after Phoenix openers - 1) Get minimal sufficient defense and power your economy through the Phoenix harassment, and you'll soon end up with a massive advantage. 2) Go for a strong mid-game push, usually Roach-based, and hit the timing while he's still weak from teching/expanding. I lose more to #2 than I do to #1, probably because there aren't so many good macro Zergs on the ladder though. | ||
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Allred
United States352 Posts
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
http://www.hardcorey.blip.tv/file/4446385/ My Main Thread Hope this helps, -HardCorey | ||
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smwatkin
Canada399 Posts
On November 30 2010 11:00 HardCorey wrote: Hi Nuvo, I'm HardCorey and ive just started trying to do a video series of answering questions on various threads that provide replays. I took a look at your replay and I just uploaded the video. I only read the first post but it looks like some of things I bring up were discussed a bit. http://www.hardcorey.blip.tv/file/4446385/ Hope this helps, -HardCorey Thanks a lot man that's great! I've never had anybody analyze my replay. It's buffering right now but I'll take a look and PM you. | ||
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