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Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
November 30 2010 05:46 GMT
#41
On November 30 2010 14:43 bkrow wrote:

I just watched that replay - did you leave before your opponent after he GG'd? If so, LOL!

It looks quite deadly once you get to that critical mass of banshees - you said it was your first time doing the build so it wasn't clean and that might be why but you were floating a high amount of minerals for a lot of the game which makes me think the mechanics/timings of the build are not optimal; obviously it looks amazing when it comes off - but i was wandering if you got any replays of this build failing (NOT because of your error but because it just gets "countered")

Overall, it's good to see banshees starting to make their mark in a big way


Haha yes I did leave before him That's because it was a custom and the game was won, no need to stick around ^_^. And I have improved IMMENSELY since the last time I've posted...I'll be uploading 5-10 more replays in the next day or so

And unfortunately, no. I don't have any replays of me losing because I got countered It hasn't happened yet! I did have one guy come VERY close though! He blink stalker rushed into high temps! Almost had me, but good micro and macro prevailed I'll upload those tomorrow morning. Thanks for the feedback!
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Requisition
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
November 30 2010 08:01 GMT
#42
As a lowbie Terran that just loves the Banshee unit, thanks for this guide.
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
December 01 2010 20:17 GMT
#43
Updated! I've included an entirely new replay pack of MUCH higher quality and added an Early Pressure option to the build! As always, please keep the feedback coming and watch the replays! One loss replay included also for those interested ^_^

Thanks again guys :D
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SoftSoap
Profile Joined November 2010
United States170 Posts
December 02 2010 00:53 GMT
#44
Great, another terran with a great banshee strategy. sigh...
Tasteless, "IdrA always pulls out on time."
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
December 02 2010 00:57 GMT
#45
seems a lil crazy...

if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response...
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
December 02 2010 00:59 GMT
#46
On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...

if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response...


Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp!
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SoftSoap
Profile Joined November 2010
United States170 Posts
December 02 2010 01:02 GMT
#47
On December 02 2010 09:59 Synystyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...

if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response...


Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp!


^^ Lol, YoiChiBow is stupid. Don't post misleading info until you read it.
Tasteless, "IdrA always pulls out on time."
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
December 02 2010 06:32 GMT
#48
On December 02 2010 10:02 SoftSoap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 09:59 Synystyr wrote:
On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...

if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response...


Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp!


^^ Lol, YoiChiBow is stupid. Don't post misleading info until you read it.


Hypocrite if I remember correctly, you didn't even use the search function to find the answer to a question that has a million threads to answer it.
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
December 02 2010 06:40 GMT
#49
On December 02 2010 15:32 Synystyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 10:02 SoftSoap wrote:
On December 02 2010 09:59 Synystyr wrote:
On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...

if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response...


Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp!


^^ Lol, YoiChiBow is stupid. Don't post misleading info until you read it.


Hypocrite if I remember correctly, you didn't even use the search function to find the answer to a question that has a million threads to answer it.



Not to be a condescending, but actually even if you find a raven, stargate is the correct response to it. Otherwise pdd is a bitch to handle. :/
Envy fan since NTH.
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
December 02 2010 17:01 GMT
#50
On December 02 2010 15:40 Piledriver wrote:

Not to be a condescending, but actually even if you find a raven, stargate is the correct response to it. Otherwise pdd is a bitch to handle. :/


I suppose. PDD still absorbs phoenix shots, and if you scouted the raven, you'll also scout the massive amount of marines. I won't throw down my additional 3 starports until I've denied the observer. What the protoss will see is mass marine, and a raven. They'll think the raven is for PDD while the marines are gonna be my entire army. The answer to that would just be colossi...they won't know I have mass banshees incoming. It's worked out great so far anyways
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Mr_Kyo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States269 Posts
December 02 2010 17:18 GMT
#51
I've been going heavy heavy banshee for a while now. Very similar to this build. The power isnt in the push, but the harass at both nexi simultaneously. I'm falling out of favor with it though, cause its just so easy for toss to mass stalkers. Trying to transition to thor to counter stalker, and then possibly bcs. That first push can be deadly, but midgame mass banshee (with bio) isn't that good unless you takeout obs with viking.
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
December 02 2010 17:27 GMT
#52
On December 03 2010 02:18 Mr_Kyo wrote:
I've been going heavy heavy banshee for a while now. Very similar to this build. The power isnt in the push, but the harass at both nexi simultaneously. I'm falling out of favor with it though, cause its just so easy for toss to mass stalkers. Trying to transition to thor to counter stalker, and then possibly bcs. That first push can be deadly, but midgame mass banshee (with bio) isn't that good unless you takeout obs with viking.


Actually, with the heavy number of banshees I push in with, along with a couple PDDs and marine support, I have zero problems with killing stalkers. I use the raven to spot the obs, and that is my primary goal with my marines to kill. I used to get one viking after the raven for the purpose of sniping obs, but I found it slow and inefficient...I do like the idea of a thor transition, but I prefer BCs or heavy MMM if a transition is necessary. I do agree though, if the first push is held off, the following pushes aren't nearly as devastating. I'd change to a harass based game while transitioning at that point.
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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
December 02 2010 17:32 GMT
#53
sounds like a great build but u really have to hide the ports cuz phoenix would rape this.
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
December 02 2010 17:40 GMT
#54
On December 03 2010 02:32 PhiliBiRD wrote:
sounds like a great build but u really have to hide the ports cuz phoenix would rape this.


Yep. Phoenix are necessary to defend...I wouldn't say rape, as I have a lot of marines to protect the banshees. And yeah, once again, just take out the obs in your base once the raven comes out, then get your starports. Even if they send a second obs to check again, it'll be far too late to begin phoenix production to handle the push.
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
December 02 2010 19:27 GMT
#55
This is Awesome! I struggle a lot vs Protoss so I will try out this build and see if I can make it work. Still builds that rely on sniping the observers are very risky, what if you snipe on but they have 2? Or if they are are really good at protecting their observers?
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 19:40:06
December 02 2010 19:39 GMT
#56
On December 03 2010 04:27 MockHamill wrote:
This is Awesome! I struggle a lot vs Protoss so I will try out this build and see if I can make it work. Still builds that rely on sniping the observers are very risky, what if you snipe on but they have 2? Or if they are are really good at protecting their observers?



Even with the obs out, banshees do a very very good job of cleaning up stalkers, regardless of being detected or not. If you want to play completely safely with sniping the obs, I recommend adding in a couple vikings, they can hit the obs from a long distance and not get sniped by stalkers.

If you meant sniping obs while they are scouting, even if the build is scouted, the toss has to respond perfectly to this and get the correct unit composition to deal with this. If they went robo, they most likely wont have any stargates out, and you can always push earlier than they expect to deal a lot of damage while they're in the midst of teching. Good luck and let me know how it goes!
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Tin_Foil
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States243 Posts
December 02 2010 20:12 GMT
#57
Pretty good stray, I've lost to something similar to it before, but in one area you're way off.

You say HT are not a counter to this because expand to 4 port 8-10 banshees is too "quick" for HTs to be out... But not every toss goes blind cols everygame. Even if my scout was denied by a raven, I would know that the starport is out, and avoid cols even more than I normally do(I use cols 1/10 PvTs lately) and get my charge+storm. Having face a 8~ banshee plus marine army a couple times, storm deals with it very well with both marine and banshee, +some feedback to kill raven or PPD, so I'd say HTs are certainly a counter to this build.

It may well work against toss who get 4+ cols every vT, but yah.. Not all do that
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
December 02 2010 20:34 GMT
#58
On December 03 2010 05:12 Tin_Foil wrote:
Pretty good stray, I've lost to something similar to it before, but in one area you're way off.

You say HT are not a counter to this because expand to 4 port 8-10 banshees is too "quick" for HTs to be out... But not every toss goes blind cols everygame. Even if my scout was denied by a raven, I would know that the starport is out, and avoid cols even more than I normally do(I use cols 1/10 PvTs lately) and get my charge+storm. Having face a 8~ banshee plus marine army a couple times, storm deals with it very well with both marine and banshee, +some feedback to kill raven or PPD, so I'd say HTs are certainly a counter to this build.

It may well work against toss who get 4+ cols every vT, but yah.. Not all do that


You're very true, and some of the points in my guide are a little outdated, I'll fix that. I have a replay for you...

http://www.mediafire.com/?lbfof9jb50l924f

This shows that templars are good, but with good banshee micro, you can mitigate storms very easily. It takes at least three storms to kill a banshee off (2 if I just sat there...but yeah right ) Banshees are very fast units and can micro out of storms pretty well. I've yet to lose to HTs. It is rather annoying to get my Raven feedbacked though >_>
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Requisition
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
December 02 2010 21:50 GMT
#59
Small error with the build order steps. When following it you get up to a 43 supply cap without being told to make another supply depot until 50 supply. Just need to throw another supply depot around the 40~ supply mark.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
December 02 2010 22:08 GMT
#60
PDD doesn't have enough mana to be effective vs 5+ phoenix and a couple stalkers. 1 shot is 10 mana, you don't start with but what 50-100 mana? I feel 4 is overkill asking to be phoenix harassed. As they can shoot and move, they can just fight you where they want to fight you, right?

I wouldn't say banshees are 'fast' units. They have incredibly slow accel.

I'm always more an MM+banshee guy, so of course I think this is a bit too commited to banshees.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
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