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As a lowbie Terran that just loves the Banshee unit, thanks for this guide.
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Updated! I've included an entirely new replay pack of MUCH higher quality and added an Early Pressure option to the build! As always, please keep the feedback coming and watch the replays! One loss replay included also for those interested ^_^
Thanks again guys :D
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Great, another terran with a great banshee strategy. sigh...
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seems a lil crazy...
if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response...
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On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...
if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response...
Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp!
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On December 02 2010 09:59 Synystyr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...
if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response... Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp!
^^ Lol, YoiChiBow is stupid. Don't post misleading info until you read it.
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On December 02 2010 10:02 SoftSoap wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 09:59 Synystyr wrote:On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...
if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response... Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp! ^^ Lol, YoiChiBow is stupid. Don't post misleading info until you read it.
Hypocrite  if I remember correctly, you didn't even use the search function to find the answer to a question that has a million threads to answer it.
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On December 02 2010 15:32 Synystyr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:02 SoftSoap wrote:On December 02 2010 09:59 Synystyr wrote:On December 02 2010 09:57 YoiChiBow wrote:
seems a lil crazy...
if a terran scouts this why the hell would they go colossus lol. im pretty most would throw up stargates for phoenix in response... Have you read the guide? You deny scouting with the first raven. Derp! ^^ Lol, YoiChiBow is stupid. Don't post misleading info until you read it. Hypocrite if I remember correctly, you didn't even use the search function to find the answer to a question that has a million threads to answer it.
Not to be a condescending, but actually even if you find a raven, stargate is the correct response to it. Otherwise pdd is a bitch to handle. :/
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On December 02 2010 15:40 Piledriver wrote:
Not to be a condescending, but actually even if you find a raven, stargate is the correct response to it. Otherwise pdd is a bitch to handle. :/
I suppose. PDD still absorbs phoenix shots, and if you scouted the raven, you'll also scout the massive amount of marines. I won't throw down my additional 3 starports until I've denied the observer. What the protoss will see is mass marine, and a raven. They'll think the raven is for PDD while the marines are gonna be my entire army. The answer to that would just be colossi...they won't know I have mass banshees incoming. It's worked out great so far anyways
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I've been going heavy heavy banshee for a while now. Very similar to this build. The power isnt in the push, but the harass at both nexi simultaneously. I'm falling out of favor with it though, cause its just so easy for toss to mass stalkers. Trying to transition to thor to counter stalker, and then possibly bcs. That first push can be deadly, but midgame mass banshee (with bio) isn't that good unless you takeout obs with viking.
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On December 03 2010 02:18 Mr_Kyo wrote:
I've been going heavy heavy banshee for a while now. Very similar to this build. The power isnt in the push, but the harass at both nexi simultaneously. I'm falling out of favor with it though, cause its just so easy for toss to mass stalkers. Trying to transition to thor to counter stalker, and then possibly bcs. That first push can be deadly, but midgame mass banshee (with bio) isn't that good unless you takeout obs with viking.
Actually, with the heavy number of banshees I push in with, along with a couple PDDs and marine support, I have zero problems with killing stalkers. I use the raven to spot the obs, and that is my primary goal with my marines to kill. I used to get one viking after the raven for the purpose of sniping obs, but I found it slow and inefficient...I do like the idea of a thor transition, but I prefer BCs or heavy MMM if a transition is necessary. I do agree though, if the first push is held off, the following pushes aren't nearly as devastating. I'd change to a harass based game while transitioning at that point.
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sounds like a great build but u really have to hide the ports cuz phoenix would rape this.
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On December 03 2010 02:32 PhiliBiRD wrote:
sounds like a great build but u really have to hide the ports cuz phoenix would rape this.
Yep. Phoenix are necessary to defend...I wouldn't say rape, as I have a lot of marines to protect the banshees. And yeah, once again, just take out the obs in your base once the raven comes out, then get your starports. Even if they send a second obs to check again, it'll be far too late to begin phoenix production to handle the push.
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This is Awesome! I struggle a lot vs Protoss so I will try out this build and see if I can make it work. Still builds that rely on sniping the observers are very risky, what if you snipe on but they have 2? Or if they are are really good at protecting their observers?
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On December 03 2010 04:27 MockHamill wrote:
This is Awesome! I struggle a lot vs Protoss so I will try out this build and see if I can make it work. Still builds that rely on sniping the observers are very risky, what if you snipe on but they have 2? Or if they are are really good at protecting their observers?
Even with the obs out, banshees do a very very good job of cleaning up stalkers, regardless of being detected or not. If you want to play completely safely with sniping the obs, I recommend adding in a couple vikings, they can hit the obs from a long distance and not get sniped by stalkers.
If you meant sniping obs while they are scouting, even if the build is scouted, the toss has to respond perfectly to this and get the correct unit composition to deal with this. If they went robo, they most likely wont have any stargates out, and you can always push earlier than they expect to deal a lot of damage while they're in the midst of teching. Good luck and let me know how it goes!
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Pretty good stray, I've lost to something similar to it before, but in one area you're way off.
You say HT are not a counter to this because expand to 4 port 8-10 banshees is too "quick" for HTs to be out... But not every toss goes blind cols everygame. Even if my scout was denied by a raven, I would know that the starport is out, and avoid cols even more than I normally do(I use cols 1/10 PvTs lately) and get my charge+storm. Having face a 8~ banshee plus marine army a couple times, storm deals with it very well with both marine and banshee, +some feedback to kill raven or PPD, so I'd say HTs are certainly a counter to this build.
It may well work against toss who get 4+ cols every vT, but yah.. Not all do that
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On December 03 2010 05:12 Tin_Foil wrote:
Pretty good stray, I've lost to something similar to it before, but in one area you're way off.
You say HT are not a counter to this because expand to 4 port 8-10 banshees is too "quick" for HTs to be out... But not every toss goes blind cols everygame. Even if my scout was denied by a raven, I would know that the starport is out, and avoid cols even more than I normally do(I use cols 1/10 PvTs lately) and get my charge+storm. Having face a 8~ banshee plus marine army a couple times, storm deals with it very well with both marine and banshee, +some feedback to kill raven or PPD, so I'd say HTs are certainly a counter to this build.
It may well work against toss who get 4+ cols every vT, but yah.. Not all do that
You're very true, and some of the points in my guide are a little outdated, I'll fix that. I have a replay for you...
http://www.mediafire.com/?lbfof9jb50l924f
This shows that templars are good, but with good banshee micro, you can mitigate storms very easily. It takes at least three storms to kill a banshee off (2 if I just sat there...but yeah right ) Banshees are very fast units and can micro out of storms pretty well. I've yet to lose to HTs. It is rather annoying to get my Raven feedbacked though >_>
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Small error with the build order steps. When following it you get up to a 43 supply cap without being told to make another supply depot until 50 supply. Just need to throw another supply depot around the 40~ supply mark.
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PDD doesn't have enough mana to be effective vs 5+ phoenix and a couple stalkers. 1 shot is 10 mana, you don't start with but what 50-100 mana? I feel 4 is overkill asking to be phoenix harassed. As they can shoot and move, they can just fight you where they want to fight you, right?
I wouldn't say banshees are 'fast' units. They have incredibly slow accel.
I'm always more an MM+banshee guy, so of course I think this is a bit too commited to banshees.
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