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[D] Unbeatable 2v2 Build ? (PZ) - Page 4
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Isaac
United States810 Posts
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TheDominator
New Zealand336 Posts
On November 22 2010 09:27 MuffinFTW wrote: 20 mutas under 6 minutes? Please link bro Yea ur right... sounds unrealistic... but thats wat this link says so yea. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PZ_Strategy | ||
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Impervious
Canada4199 Posts
BUT IT WORKED!!!!! | ||
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Wartortle
Australia504 Posts
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
On November 22 2010 14:21 Jayzo wrote: i dont understand "saving on in base pylons"? With the korean all in you need a minimum of 3 pylon ortherwise your opponent will simply kill them with units before your warpgate kick in. If you dont, they can kill 2 pylon with units and 3 with like 3-4 probe pulled from minerals | ||
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MuffinFTW
United States235 Posts
On November 22 2010 15:06 Yokoblue wrote: With the korean all in you need a minimum of 3 pylon ortherwise your opponent will simply kill them with units before your warpgate kick in. If you dont, they can kill 2 pylon with units and 3 with like 3-4 probe pulled from minerals Naw, one works fine for me and I've been winning a lot lately. Also the zergling should be defending the pylon if it gets caught. Also, they shouldn't see it in the first place. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On November 22 2010 11:27 Isaac wrote: yo I have a question? We managed to go 2-3 with this build, and we both are gold level players. We both have no experience as either race(lol, both terran). Anyways, Photon cannon mass really messed us up. As well as Mass Roach against ZZ. Any Advice? Also, I dont really understand the build order. Do ever make zealots out of a Gateway, and stop probes? or do we not stop probes? Sorry I don't have a replay. BO is cut all probes after 18 for protoss and all drones after 11 for zerg. You only make zealots out of warpgates, 5 by 5 the first rounds, then as much as you can afford after that. If you're going 2-3, you're doing something wrong  Do you have 24 splings at 4:40-4:50 ? Do you have 5 zealots at 5:15 ? A sloppy execution of the BO (forget chrono boost, forget pulling workers off gaz, forget to larva inject, forget to protect the pylon, forget to send the overlords ...) means you will lose up to 20 seconds on the timing push (which won't be timed anymore...). 20 seconds is a huge time and you will lose if you are that sloppy. At higher levels, even 10 seconds late can be the difference between winning and getting stomped. Against ZZ you won't be facing any wallin so the zerg can start to harass with the zerglings before the actual push. 7 roaches will lose to 24 speedlings. Then depending on the reaction, you decide which base you want to warp-in in. In case of photon cannons, just attack the one who is not making them. If both are making them, they are probably noobs and you can proceed to FE and stomp them some other way. Also, they can't have cannons at the front, in their mineral lines and have units supporting. 5 zealots in mineral line will be enough to deal with the cannons. To all those not succeeding with this strat, try to post some replays so i can tell you what you are doing wrong. | ||
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Noob4hire
United States38 Posts
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
Also terr with bunkers helps alot, its very strong against toss tho, since toss cannot defend effectivly against both mass lings and warp in zealots. I think reapers with or without bunkers is pretty good against this, but i guess then you have to know what is comming | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
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Shurafa
United States79 Posts
The build is incredibly resilient. We won several games that I was sure we would lose. The ability to just keep warping in units is incredibly powerful. If they leave their base at any time to help their partner you are in the control as you can just warp in back door. As the OP mentioned the key to countering this build is early pressure. Also if you are playing standard and scout this build your best bet is to destroy the pylon asap. This can be done with any ranged unit. | ||
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jeffsama
2 Posts
On November 22 2010 12:36 TheDominator wrote: Yea ur right... sounds unrealistic... but thats wat this link says so yea. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PZ_Strategy I just tested with my friend, 6 minutes 20 muta is not possible. My build order is 10 gas > pool > lair > spire, so that I would keep myself upgrading without losing any down time on teching up. I tried 9gas 8gas > pool but that didn't work well since either the cases u don't have enough mineral/gas to tech immediately when spawn pool is up. The biggest problem that it is not possible ---> larva capped As mentioned I don't have any down time on teching, my spire would arrive abt 5:40~50, and I get my queen after my Lair, so there would only have time for 1 larva injection and not possible for 20. - If I queen before lair, that's 50sec building time so it is out of the case. - you would not have enough mineral to build another hat, and your teammate is giving u mineral after 5mins mark. You could have a lot ~7mins, but not a 6min case. Please advice if I am wrong. Thanks. | ||
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Swwww
Switzerland812 Posts
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cannavaro
Italy86 Posts
On November 23 2010 06:30 Gfox wrote: Gotta love how the 2v2 bracket is based on people cheesing instead of playing the game properly, I fail to see why you would even pay for starcraft if this is the kind of crap that people come up with... Nice build OP, sorry for the rage. Because people who want to play "properly" do that in 1on1. You can't say anything like that about 2on2 since the game is balanced around 1on1. What you'd consider cheese in most 1on1 situations is a viable strategy in 2on2, since you can make just about anything work in 2on2, the coordination with your team partner is far more important than "playing properly". How dare someone to try and have fun... Back on topic: Did some more games today, many people on that level now know what's coming if they scout properly and are able to react in time, especially on maps with tight chokes. Double protoss is still 100% win, tho. Example: vs TZ: Terran put 4 scvs on his choke, 2 in front row, 2 behind the 2 in the front. They repaired each other and he had a bunker with marines behind it, so no way to do any damage there with lings. Also quickly had marauders with conc. shells, who owned any zaelot attempt. Zerg had 2 roaches block his choke as soon as our lings got speed, and by the time we had some stalkers the terran had too many marauders to get a good surround on, and stim shortly after. | ||
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Prophecy3
Canada223 Posts
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TheDominator
New Zealand336 Posts
On November 23 2010 03:37 jeffsama wrote: I just tested with my friend, 6 minutes 20 muta is not possible. My build order is 10 gas > pool > lair > spire, so that I would keep myself upgrading without losing any down time on teching up. I tried 9gas 8gas > pool but that didn't work well since either the cases u don't have enough mineral/gas to tech immediately when spawn pool is up. The biggest problem that it is not possible ---> larva capped As mentioned I don't have any down time on teching, my spire would arrive abt 5:40~50, and I get my queen after my Lair, so there would only have time for 1 larva injection and not possible for 20. - If I queen before lair, that's 50sec building time so it is out of the case. - you would not have enough mineral to build another hat, and your teammate is giving u mineral after 5mins mark. You could have a lot ~7mins, but not a 6min case. Please advice if I am wrong. Thanks. Yea they shud really put a BO in. According to that page though, they build another hatchery, so somehow i guess they want u too do that, possibly earlier minerals given to the zerg player? If u cud somehow get another hatch down, and build a queen on the other hatchery aswell, u cud probably fit 2 spawn larvae injections on that hatchery. tbh, i have no idea how they expect u to get all that done in under 6 min, but 7 min is still freakishly fast | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
2 roaches at top of the ramp hardly seems like a problem to me and i'd like to see how they pull that off. | ||
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uTnMyLife
France3 Posts
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JanLui
France50 Posts
uTnMyLife balance ton replay ! | ||
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