EPTYour timing information was very helpful, I've never known the protoss timing for things, I just go by feel.
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Kaz_Coaching
United States83 Posts
Your timing information was very helpful, I've never known the protoss timing for things, I just go by feel. | ||
ALPINA
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I know the dps will be lower but you can poke into his 3rd fast, snipe nexus or make fast run by. Also you can trade roaches a lot cause they are cheap and have low build time. If you have hydras in your army they pretty much just sit or attack, you pretty much can't harass with them. If he goes mass immortal you can mass mutas cause you should have plenty of gas if you didn't get T3 already. Anyways excellent guide  | ||
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Sholoshka
United States60 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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Sikozu
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Legat0
United States318 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 19 2010 10:13 ChickenLips wrote: This is a great guide and I would totally give you a blowjob, should you decide to write one on ZvZ since pretty much everyone is clueless on that matchup. However i don't agree with the speedling opener. It is only favorable on small maps. On big maps I can easily go 13 pool 16 hatch or 14 hatch 14 pool, 2 of the most economic builds that offer solid early defense if i scout early agression. With an early hatch like that i can drone until 30 off of 4 lings and then decide if i want to make units against a 4 gate. A good 4 gate hits at a time where the speedling opener's hatch is too weak for my taste. Since you invest in tech and units so early on the period of time where you can drone until the 1 base all in hits is significantly shorter than if you went for a economical build. Those extra few drones you can afford with f.e. a 14 hatch 14 pool are detrimental to be able to enter mid game with a solid drone count. To deal with early stalker harass when you skip speedling openers do you just put down a sunk? | ||
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goldenwitch
United States338 Posts
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Yossy
Croatia6 Posts
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Yossy
Croatia6 Posts
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mskaa
Denmark155 Posts
its a very nice guide though | ||
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ChickenLips
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On November 19 2010 19:41 Numy wrote: To deal with early stalker harass when you skip speedling openers do you just put down a sunk? Depending on when I scout the early aggression and how far the creep spread at my natural hatch is (hatch or pool first) I immediately put down a spine crawler while delaying my 2nd queen and then if it was planted in my main walk it down when the creep is ready. This is also more favorable if he just chronoes his first zealot + 2 stalkers at you since the zealot + probe will start attacking your morphing spine if it is in the natural. With these early pressure builds it's just delaying them with spines and queens until you can get enough lings to chase them away (or kill them if they're stupid) while not forgetting to macro. DO NOT LOSE LINGS OR DRONES. Those are essential. Making too many lings is also equal to losing them since they will be worthless (Counter attacking this early doesnt work unless you go all in with it) | ||
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Shootex
Germany1 Post
that helps my ZvP alot | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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BlueChipKiwi
United States46 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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Kokos
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Competent
United States406 Posts
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SONofaGUN
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and i need new pants... and the rest of the guide was great. Awesome timing info | ||
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ShadowWolf
United States197 Posts
If anything, people being successful at a reasonably high level demonstrates that the opener is probably not as big a deal right now.Do you ever choose to go with Muta/Ling routes in situations where you're not facing Blink Stalkers? | ||
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